Proud Valiants - Charlton's first LGBT Group
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Love one another but not in a gay way then?se9addick said:
Superseded by (amongst others) John 13:34.CAFCTrev said:
Leviticus 20:13 "'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."Uboat said:
Can I just add that, despite what you might think thanks to the well-reported ranting of bigots, that homophobia is not actually a Christian value.WSS said:Doesn't look like greeky will be around next season.
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I thought Levictus 19:27 said "sit down love, Eastenders is about to start"SELR_addicks said:
Leviticus 19:27 says that you never cut your hair or shave. Think every Christian on the planet has failed that one.CAFCTrev said:
Leviticus 20:13 "'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."Uboat said:
Can I just add that, despite what you might think thanks to the well-reported ranting of bigots, that homophobia is not actually a Christian value.WSS said:Doesn't look like greeky will be around next season.
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After all this I reckon Andrew is actually a closet homosexual. He just wants to look 'ard in front of his mates. ('ard as in strong/tough etc..........)0
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He also started cracking out the homophobic slurs against another fan who told him what an idiot he was being. That was the point where the official Twitter feed (think it was Olly) told him he'd gone too far and blocked himwwaddickson said:There's more comments than the above.
He started telling another Charlton fan he was going to meet them at the ground and then they'll see what happens etc etc.2 -
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There are plenty of things you shouldn't do, according to Christian teaching, many of which pretty much everyone does. That doesn't mean Christians get to judge other people and start labelling them as 'disgusting' etc. The ones I know don't, but unfortunately that's not the popular image, thanks in large part to the American religious right.CAFCTrev said:
Love one another but not in a gay way then?se9addick said:
Superseded by (amongst others) John 13:34.CAFCTrev said:
Leviticus 20:13 "'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."Uboat said:
Can I just add that, despite what you might think thanks to the well-reported ranting of bigots, that homophobia is not actually a Christian value.WSS said:Doesn't look like greeky will be around next season.
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Wow. The attitude of some people.
So I think it's brilliant that we have an LGBTQ+ supporters' group. These people are marginalised in society every day, either through people just offhandedly saying "Oh that's so gay" or "Ah you ponce" or whatever so casually that they don't realise - hey, there are people out there who actually ARE gay, and aren't taking their feelings into account. Endless comparisons have been made, either geographical or regarding the disabled group etc etc - I don't think I need to convince anyone why such a group is necessary for supporters of a non cishet orientation.
Time for a bit of a glossary that I hope can help people understand what this is "all about":
L - Lesbian (women who are sexually attracted to other women)
G - Gay (men who are sexually attracted to other men)
B - Bisexual (men or women who are attracted to both genders)
T - Transexual (a person who has a gender identity that is inconsistent with, or not culturally identified with, their assigned sex at birth: i.e. their psychological gender is not the same as their birth sex)
Q - Queer. Now, this is a catch-all term used by people who aren't cisgender (men who identify as men, women who identify as women, the opposite of transgender) to identify as not cisgender. So this encompasses LGBT people, as well as a variety of other gender identities/sexualities/etc that I'll do my absolute best to identify, but I'm no expert (though maybe compared to the average CL reader I'll know a bit).
+ - That's a plus sign. It means anyone else within these groups who doesn't necessarily want to identify as anything of the above. Can also mean an ally - that is to say, a cisgender person (like me) who's supportive of their rights and cause etc.
Let's try and get on to a few other terms.
Non-binary/genderqueer - this is a catch-all term for gender identities that are not exclusively masculine or feminine
Transvestite - a person who dresses in a manner commonly societally associated with the opposite sex. Not to be confused with transsexuality or transgenderism.
Asexual - someone not interested in sex (i.e. feels no sexual attraction whatsoever). This is distinct from celibacy (choosing not to have sex).
Androgyny - a general term for a combination of male and female characteristics.
Phew. That's a lot of stuff. And it barely scratches the surface of the LGBTQ+ community.
If, in setting up a supporters' group that caters to people who identify within the LGBTQ+ community, the club is able to educate (and be educated) on such matters so that there's a better understanding of the myriad struggles that these people go through, and indeed hopefully eradicate prejudice, then that's a good thing. A very good thing indeed.
TL;DR short glossary of terms relating to LGBTQ+ people. Feel free to correct me.9 -
As for the whole Christian thing - the one thing I'll say is that most level-headed Christians believe that the Old Testament is more for reference than it is for actually abiding by (hence the ridiculous stuff in Leviticus).
Idiots will cherry-pick the anti-gay sentiments because they think it's icky and use religion to justify it.
I'm irreligious, by the way, but that's basically the way I see it...14 -
Top posts Paddy!0
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Blimey if I had have realised that was the opinion of the well known book of fairy stories .CAFCTrev said:
Leviticus 20:13 "'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."Uboat said:
Can I just add that, despite what you might think thanks to the well-reported ranting of bigots, that homophobia is not actually a Christian value.WSS said:Doesn't look like greeky will be around next season.
More religious bullshit , lovely.1 - Sponsored links:
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Am I allowed to be amused that the idiot's message said it was sent from his iPad? Does he know, do you think, that Apple's CEO, Tim Cook is gay? Will he be sending his piece of technology back and demanding a refund?2
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I get all that but...PaddyP17 said:Wow. The attitude of some people.
So I think it's brilliant that we have an LGBTQ+ supporters' group. These people are marginalised in society every day, either through people just offhandedly saying "Oh that's so gay" or "Ah you ponce" or whatever so casually that they don't realise - hey, there are people out there who actually ARE gay, and aren't taking their feelings into account. Endless comparisons have been made, either geographical or regarding the disabled group etc etc - I don't think I need to convince anyone why such a group is necessary for supporters of a non cishet orientation.
Time for a bit of a glossary that I hope can help people understand what this is "all about":
L - Lesbian (women who are sexually attracted to other women)
G - Gay (men who are sexually attracted to other men)
B - Bisexual (men or women who are attracted to both genders)
T - Transexual (a person who has a gender identity that is inconsistent with, or not culturally identified with, their assigned sex at birth: i.e. their psychological gender is not the same as their birth sex)
Q - Queer. Now, this is a catch-all term used by people who aren't cisgender (men who identify as men, women who identify as women, the opposite of transgender) to identify as not cisgender. So this encompasses LGBT people, as well as a variety of other gender identities/sexualities/etc that I'll do my absolute best to identify, but I'm no expert (though maybe compared to the average CL reader I'll know a bit).
+ - That's a plus sign. It means anyone else within these groups who doesn't necessarily want to identify as anything of the above. Can also mean an ally - that is to say, a cisgender person (like me) who's supportive of their rights and cause etc.
Let's try and get on to a few other terms.
Non-binary/genderqueer - this is a catch-all term for gender identities that are not exclusively masculine or feminine
Transvestite - a person who dresses in a manner commonly societally associated with the opposite sex. Not to be confused with transsexuality or transgenderism.
Asexual - someone not interested in sex (i.e. feels no sexual attraction whatsoever). This is distinct from celibacy (choosing not to have sex).
Androgyny - a general term for a combination of male and female characteristics.
Phew. That's a lot of stuff. And it barely scratches the surface of the LGBTQ+ community.
If, in setting up a supporters' group that caters to people who identify within the LGBTQ+ community, the club is able to educate (and be educated) on such matters so that there's a better understanding of the myriad struggles that these people go through, and indeed hopefully eradicate prejudice, then that's a good thing. A very good thing indeed.
TL;DR short glossary of terms relating to LGBTQ+ people. Feel free to correct me.
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Apologies if already mentioned, but why not Proud Addicks rather than Proud Valliants ?0
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I thought LGBT was a Huddersfield fan...?13
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if I had to choose, I like lesbians the most.11
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Well its actually a Port Vale group (hence the Valiants) they're just waiting to see how long it takes everyone to twigMrOneLung said:Apologies if already mentioned, but why not Proud Addicks rather than Proud Valliants ?
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Personally I liked his comment about being a Catholic and therefore not liking 'geezers dressed as bitches'.
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It's kicking off on the CAFC Facebook now as well. Unfortunately this appears to have brought out the worst of our support that I would have liked to have thought didn't exist.0
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Dont tell me the loony left have started Fiiish....2
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Yeah, I went pretty far left there. Always nice to get called a c***, though, quite refreshing really.Fiiish said:It's kicking off on the CAFC Facebook now as well. Unfortunately this appears to have brought out the worst of our support that I would have liked to have thought didn't exist.
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Is it any surprise to be honest?
Whilst its a nice gesture, as soon as I saw it a part of me did feel as though it was going to create more trouble and bickering than good unfortunately.1 -
The official FB page or the scary fans one?0
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Official.0
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Knowing him as well as I do, Levictus 19:27 woulda said "turn this shit off love, what DO we pay our TV Tax for?? Blaaady BBC FFS!!!"ValleyGary said:
I thought Levictus 19:27 said "sit down love, Eastenders is about to start"SELR_addicks said:
Leviticus 19:27 says that you never cut your hair or shave. Think every Christian on the planet has failed that one.CAFCTrev said:
Leviticus 20:13 "'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."Uboat said:
Can I just add that, despite what you might think thanks to the well-reported ranting of bigots, that homophobia is not actually a Christian value.WSS said:Doesn't look like greeky will be around next season.
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Can my Mrs start an asexual group10
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Because of this, I bring you......kentaddick said:
tell me about the last time some one shouted abuse or threatened you because you were right of centre. I'm intrigued.Greenie Junior said:No need for it in my opinion. Why make a group seperating yourselves from straight supporters? And then moan about wanting equality
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So we gave him his money back Why?
If u get kicked out and banned them fans don't get their money back so why should he, he has banned end of story.
And to the people that say Gays are unnatural let me quote Russell Howard.
"If gays are unnatural and you have an issue I assume you have never been on a plane as flying is the most unnatural thing a human can do"0 -
did you just make that up Paulie?paulie8290 said:So we gave him his money back Why?
If u get kicked out and banned them fans don't get their money back so why should he, he has banned end of story.
And to the people that say Gays are unnatural let me quote Russell Howard.
"If gays are unnatural and you have an issue I assume you have never been on a plane as flying is the most unnatural thing a human can do"2 -
Are trying to suggest that Mr. T is a homophobe?paulie8290 said:So we gave him his money back Why?
If u get kicked out and banned them fans don't get their money back so why should he, he has banned end of story.
And to the people that say Gays are unnatural let me quote Russell Howard.
"If gays are unnatural and you have an issue I assume you have never been on a plane as flying is the most unnatural thing a human can do"13
