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Joe Gomez rumours (ed. Signed for Liverpool)

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  • Algarveaddick
    Algarveaddick Posts: 21,157
    Red_Pete in Dubai said:

    Prague, you are still misunderstanding the concept of a release clause. The value of such a clause is not the value of the sale, it is just the minimum bid required to trigger both the player & their club to talk to the club making the bid. The actual transfer fee will then be negotiated in the normal way & the selling club has the right to walk away if they don't get the price they want.

    I have been wrong all along then. I thought the release clause meant that if a buying club offers that amount the selling club are obliged to let the player go for that amount, what's the point in it otherwise?
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,030
    It's been said. Gomez may not have signed a deal without it. With it, Gomez is allowed to speak to any club that offers the release clause price. But it only means he can TALK to them. Means nothing else concrete.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,743
    But it doesn't make sense, as surely other clubs would have been willing to bid the same or higher!
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,009
    Algarveaddick said:

    Red_Pete in Dubai said:

    Prague, you are still misunderstanding the concept of a release clause. The value of such a clause is not the value of the sale, it is just the minimum bid required to trigger both the player & their club to talk to the club making the bid. The actual transfer fee will then be negotiated in the normal way & the selling club has the right to walk away if they don't get the price they want.

    I have been wrong all along then. I thought the release clause meant that if a buying club offers that amount the selling club are obliged to let the player go for that amount, what's the point in it otherwise?
    It just means if someone comes in and matches that amount... you have to at least hear them out. If the player doesn't want to go or you can't agree the deal, then there is no deal. But you can't just refuse the offer out of hand if it matches that figure.

    I think.
  • Pedro45
    Pedro45 Posts: 5,828
    MuttleyCAFC said:

    But it doesn't make sense, as surely other clubs would have been willing to bid the same or higher!

    But they didn't....
  • northstandsteve
    northstandsteve Posts: 14,331
    FOR FUCKS SAKE DOES IT MATTER, HE HAS GONE, how many pages of pointless shit.
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,853
    MuttleyCAFC said:

    But it doesn't make sense, as surely other clubs would have been willing to bid the same or higher!

    Maybe, just maybe, Liverpool's initial bid was so significantly above the release clause value (and we still don't bloody know for sure if one existed!!!) that no other club was interested at that figure. It might also explain why Liverpool appeared to have a free run at it.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,743
    So all the other clubs have rubbish scouts - yes that makes sense not! Maybe we got a better deal than we are letting on! Or maybe, all the say was with the player when the clause was activated!
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,853
    MuttleyCAFC said:

    So all the other clubs have rubbish scouts - yes that makes sense not! Maybe we got a better deal than we are letting on! Or maybe, all the say was with the player when the clause was activated!

    A tramp sleeping on a bench in Greenwich Park would have heard how good Gomez was - it's not a scout issue, it's a valuation issue.

    I think it's fair to say we got a better deal than we're letting on, on the basis that we're saying feck all about the deal!
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,610
    PragueAddick said:

    bobmunro said:

    Prague - I don't believe Pedro45 was saying it offers exclusivity (which it doesn't) - he said any club offering 'at least' the release clause value may talk to the player.

    Any number of clubs can offer that value initially, thereby triggering the release clause. Maybe only Liverpool did - or maybe there wasn't a release clause!

    Ok , got that now.

    But I am still unclear what the value of a release clause is to a club. I can see that it's of value to the player, it sets a figure whereby the club have to let him talk, regardless of whether they want to sell him. But if the figure is not confidential, then the club has placed itself in a lousy negotiating position, unless 2-3 other clubs are able to Join the discussion

    But if the player refuses to sign without the clause then we are put in an even worse position.

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  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,610
    Pedro45 said:

    MuttleyCAFC said:

    But it doesn't make sense, as surely other clubs would have been willing to bid the same or higher!

    But they didn't....
    They might but maybe Joe was set upon going to Liverpool.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,805
    Move on.
  • Pedro45
    Pedro45 Posts: 5,828
    LargeAddick said:

    Pedro45 said:

    MuttleyCAFC said:

    But it doesn't make sense, as surely other clubs would have been willing to bid the same or higher!

    But they didn't....
    They might but maybe Joe was set upon going to Liverpool.
    Maybe? Or Maybe not? We will never know!
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,420
    New rumours coming in that the figure was £350k plus a T-Shirt that says 'With Luzon we're winning'
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,232
    northstandsteve said:

    FOR FUCKS SAKE DOES IT MATTER, HE HAS GONE, how many pages of pointless shit.

    We had a hundred Pages for Delort and he didn't play for Us !

    You will always get wild speculation when it's undisclosed.

  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,161
    Covered End said:

    Bloody hell Prague. How on earth, can you become so outraged, about something, when you don't understand how it works ?
    You're embarassing yourself mate.

    Do YOU know, for certain, whether or not a release clause in a footballers' contract should be a matter of confidentiality? If so do tell, as I am not the only one on here who is interested to know.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,030
    PragueAddick said:

    Covered End said:

    Bloody hell Prague. How on earth, can you become so outraged, about something, when you don't understand how it works ?
    You're embarassing yourself mate.

    Do YOU know, for certain, whether or not a release clause in a footballers' contract should be a matter of confidentiality? If so do tell, as I am not the only one on here who is interested to know.
    No, but I'm not on here, effing & jeffing about it, before 8am & ranting about it, until mid afternoon.

    Likewise everyone else.

  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,161
    Covered End said:

    PragueAddick said:

    Covered End said:

    Bloody hell Prague. How on earth, can you become so outraged, about something, when you don't understand how it works ?
    You're embarassing yourself mate.

    Do YOU know, for certain, whether or not a release clause in a footballers' contract should be a matter of confidentiality? If so do tell, as I am not the only one on here who is interested to know.
    No, but I'm not on here, effing & jeffing about it, before 8am & ranting about it, until mid afternoon.

    Likewise everyone else.

    Well thank you for your concern. Next time I'll ask your permission before raising any thing of interest to an existing thread, shall I?

    And it's 9 a.m in that other place you call Europe....
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,030
    edited June 2015
    It was 7.46am here. No need to ask permission and it's not the raising, of anything, of interest, that obviously fine.

    As I said, it's the manic swearing at 7.46am British time & the continued rant, when you have no reason to rant, because you don't know what you're ranting about.

    Carry on.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,131
    I imagine Liverpool had a clear run because Gomez had made it clear that he only wanted to join them while the clubs worked on a fee. Just a guess.

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  • Red_Pete_in_Dubai
    Red_Pete_in_Dubai Posts: 2,764
    PragueAddick said:

    Covered End said:

    Bloody hell Prague. How on earth, can you become so outraged, about something, when you don't understand how it works ?
    You're embarassing yourself mate.

    Do YOU know, for certain, whether or not a release clause in a footballers' contract should be a matter of confidentiality? If so do tell, as I am not the only one on here who is interested to know.
    But why is the confidentiality factor important? As said above, the value that triggers any release clause is NOT the price of the subsequent transfer. It just allows the player to talk to the bidding club, which they would otherwise not be allowed to do. In my experience the "selling club" will advise the bidding club of the minimum value required if they want to trigger such a clause. It is not in anybody's particular interest to keep it a secret.
  • PL54
    PL54 Posts: 10,757
    Been a bit out of the loop - have we sold someone?
  • Red_in_SE8
    Red_in_SE8 Posts: 5,961
    Red_Pete in Dubai said:

    Prague, you are still misunderstanding the concept of a release clause. The value of such a clause is not the value of the sale, it is just the minimum bid required to trigger both the player & their club to talk to the club making the bid. The actual transfer fee will then be negotiated in the normal way & the selling club has the right to walk away if they don't get the price they want.

    I don't think this is correct. If the buying club offers an amount that is equal to or above the the value of the release clause the selling club is obliged to let the player talk to the buying club and if he agrees terms with that club the selling club is obliged to sell the player for the amount that the buying club offered. If the amount offered is equal to or above the release clause the selling club does not have the option to 'walk away' if they feel the player is worth more.

    The Suarez - Arsenal scenario last year was interesting for 2 reasons. Firstly, the people representing Suarez allowed the clause to be written in such a way that Liverpool could successfully claim that it only allowed Suarez to talk to the club offering the release clause amount but did not oblige Liverpool to sell Suarez to that club. Secondly, the fact that Arsenal offered £1 (I think) over the £40 million release clause made it quite clear that Suarez's representatives broke the contract confidentiality clause.

    This article explains the difference between a 'release' clause and a 'buy out' clause.

    theguardian.com/football/charles-russell-sports-law-blog/2014/jan/20/rooney-cabaye-buy-out-contracts-premeier-league

  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,661
    Look on the bright side.

    Had he gone to Bournemouth we'd have paid them to take him away
  • thai malaysia addick
    thai malaysia addick Posts: 18,353
    edited June 2015
    Is there anything to stop Liverpool making incremental bids until a release clause is triggered? So, they send an email with a bid for £1 then try again with £2 and 3500000 emails later (well, 3499999 emails later than the £1 bid for the pedants) they get an email back saying that they can speak to Joe. Surely then, confidentiality is irrelevant.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,575
    thai malaysia addick said:

    Is there anything to stop Liverpool making incremental bids until a release clause is triggered? So, they send an email with a bid for £1 then try again with £2 and 3500000 emails later (well, 3499999 emails later than the £1 bid for the pedants) they get an email back saying that they can speak to Joe. Surely then, confidentiality is irrelevant.

    To be honest if someone did that to me then after about 20 emails I'd probably snap!!

    Look the release clause is £4m, you happy now you know... good, now fuck off emailing me
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,969
    thai malaysia addick said:

    Is there anything to stop Liverpool making incremental bids until a release clause is triggered? So, they send an email with a bid for £1 then try again with £2 and 3500000 emails later (well, 3499999 emails later than the £1 bid for the pedants) they get an email back saying that they can speak to Joe. Surely then, confidentiality is irrelevant.

    Who'd bother replying?!
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,232
    PL54 said:

    Been a bit out of the loop - have we sold someone?

    Scott Parker's gone to Chelsea for 10 Million.

  • cafcfan
    cafcfan Posts: 11,200
    edited June 2015
    Well, if he bought it on-line he's got 2 days left to cancel and get a refund under the Consumer Contracts Regs! Getting the shirt back to the shop in time could be a problem though...

    Edited to add: although the shop site claims you can't get a refund if a player leaves the club; neither does it mention your legal rights - which is shocking.
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