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Watt transfer : "Fraude"

kentred2
kentred2 Posts: 2,335
in General Charlton
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http://standardluikrss.be/2015/10/28/alweer-opschudding-in-luik-onderzoek-naar-fraude-bij-transfer-watt/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

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  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    This could get interesting.
  • addick1965
    addick1965 Posts: 5,092
    Uh Oh :(
  • ross1
    ross1 Posts: 50,974
    Heading translated:
    Another concern in Liège: "Investigation into fraudulent transfer Watt"
    By Standard | Voetbalkrant.com on October 28th, 2015
  • Atletico Addick
    Atletico Addick Posts: 5,843
    JUSTICE WOULD EXAMINE TRANSFER WATT, DUCHÂTELET RESPONDS


    On the sporting side goes after a six on six slowly in the right direction, but quiet it is certainly not in Liege. If it's not the fans that provide sensation, or the directors or former directors.
    RTBF reports that Prosecutor knocked on Duchâtelet in connection with the transfer of Tony Watt to Charlton. One suspects the former chairman of fraud. Venanzi, the current president, on Wednesday said all that "after the departure of Duchâtelet some skeletons in the closet cases."
    Meanwhile Duchâtelet responded. He could not deny that Standard Tony Watt did go to Charlton. However, the Liege club had a few months earlier another 1.5 million filed for the attacker.
    Reaction Duchâtelet

    The former chairman explains: "Since November the player was harshly criticized and even ridiculed by some journalists and supporters." He points out that such situations at all clubs occurrences.
    In retrospect, Watt did indeed good at Charlton. "This case is indeed remarkable because the player then began to perform well. That you can not know in advance of course ..."
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,765
    I don't follow the literal translation. Could one of our resident Belgians give a brief translation?
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    It looks like there are alleged dodgy financials happening related to Tony Watt.
  • LoOkOuT
    LoOkOuT Posts: 10,856
    Didn't Katrien say Watt wasn't bought with peanuts? Turns out he was!
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,846
    The bad blood at SL over the deal explains why we didn't get Bulot...
  • Anna_Kissed
    Anna_Kissed Posts: 3,302
    Hmm. Wasn't KM brought in largely for her specialist knowledge of competition law? Fair play, and all that? I hope that this is a sour grapes story and no more...
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  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,275
    Guilty of fraud fails the fit and proper person test.
  • MountsfieldPark
    MountsfieldPark Posts: 2,074
    edited October 2015
    LoOkOuT said:

    Didn't Katrien say Watt wasn't bought with peanuts? Turns out he was!

    A word missing from the Google translation is "gratis". RD could not deny TW was transferred gratis, but Standard had laid out 1.5 million euros for him a few months previously. According to Soccerway, 1.5 million euros was the fee for TW's transfer from Celtic to Standard, 6 months before moving to Charlton.
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,037
    edited October 2015
    Sorry, is this related to the transfer of Watt to us from Standard or the transfer of Watt to Standard from wherever he was before (Celtic?)?
  • Atletico Addick
    Atletico Addick Posts: 5,843
    se9addick said:

    Sorry, is this related to the transfer of Watt to us from Standard or the transfer of Watt to Standard from wherever he was before (Celtic?)?

    To us. As we essentially 'stole' him from (at the time) RD's SL. But there may have been some interesting terms. This is good news in my book as we need RD to become a villain in the media's eyes, and any dodgy going ons of which this creature of a man MAY well be capable of would see him in trouble with the F&PP Test.

    We'll see what comes of it... maybe this is why we have a Lawyer as a CEO.
  • Anna_Kissed
    Anna_Kissed Posts: 3,302
    '...creature of a man...'
    Made me smile, that.
  • Bolderhumphreyreid
    Bolderhumphreyreid Posts: 2,553
    Guilty. Lock Roland away.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,006
    So Watt goes from Celtic to Standard Liege for E1.5M. Then a few months later he moves to Charlton for free.
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,037
    Atletico Addick said:

    se9addick said:

    Sorry, is this related to the transfer of Watt to us from Standard or the transfer of Watt to Standard from wherever he was before (Celtic?)?

    To us. As we essentially 'stole' him from (at the time) RD's SL. But there may have been some interesting terms. This is good news in my book as we need RD to become a villain in the media's eyes, and any dodgy going ons of which this creature of a man MAY well be capable of would see him in trouble with the F&PP Test.

    We'll see what comes of it... maybe this is why we have a Lawyer as a CEO.
    I'm not sure mate, sounds like a one or two window transfer ban and we desperately need reinforcements. I'd be very, very cautious about celebrating this.
  • MountsfieldPark
    MountsfieldPark Posts: 2,074
    I can't really see why it's a fraud. It's a commonplace in football for a club to pay a fee for a player and let him go on a free. I suppose that structurally, this was a case of moving an employee from one division of Staprix to another.
  • Atletico Addick
    Atletico Addick Posts: 5,843
    se9addick said:

    Atletico Addick said:

    se9addick said:

    Sorry, is this related to the transfer of Watt to us from Standard or the transfer of Watt to Standard from wherever he was before (Celtic?)?

    To us. As we essentially 'stole' him from (at the time) RD's SL. But there may have been some interesting terms. This is good news in my book as we need RD to become a villain in the media's eyes, and any dodgy going ons of which this creature of a man MAY well be capable of would see him in trouble with the F&PP Test.

    We'll see what comes of it... maybe this is why we have a Lawyer as a CEO.
    I'm not sure mate, sounds like a one or two window transfer ban and we desperately need reinforcements. I'd be very, very cautious about celebrating this.
    I couldn't care less about this season if I'm honest, I really couldn't.. We may need to take two steps back to start climbing the ladder safely again. It'll start to put spanners within RD's whole empire, which is what we need.. the more barriers his sick experiment can face the better it is for us as fans.

    Sad state of affairs not caring for bans but it is what it is. RD gets an easy ride and we are in trouble as fans, IMO as it's plain sailing for him to slowly sink us.
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  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,037
    Atletico Addick said:

    se9addick said:

    Atletico Addick said:

    se9addick said:

    Sorry, is this related to the transfer of Watt to us from Standard or the transfer of Watt to Standard from wherever he was before (Celtic?)?

    To us. As we essentially 'stole' him from (at the time) RD's SL. But there may have been some interesting terms. This is good news in my book as we need RD to become a villain in the media's eyes, and any dodgy going ons of which this creature of a man MAY well be capable of would see him in trouble with the F&PP Test.

    We'll see what comes of it... maybe this is why we have a Lawyer as a CEO.
    I'm not sure mate, sounds like a one or two window transfer ban and we desperately need reinforcements. I'd be very, very cautious about celebrating this.
    I couldn't care less about this season if I'm honest, I really couldn't.. We may need to take two steps back to start climbing the ladder safely again. It'll start to put spanners within RD's whole empire, which is what we need.. the more barriers his sick experiment can face the better it is for us as fans.

    Sad state of affairs not caring for bans but it is what it is. RD gets an easy ride and we are in trouble as fans, IMO as it's plain sailing for him to slowly sink us.
    Fair enough, I'm just not sure that I'm at the point where anything that's bad for RD is good for us, it's probably more complicated than that and being implicated in transfer fraud certainly complicates things.
  • SID
    SID Posts: 260
    MountsfieldPark said:

    I can't really see why it's a fraud. It's a commonplace in football for a club to pay a fee for a player and let him go on a free. I suppose that structurally, this was a case of moving an employee from one division of Staprix to another.

    I don't pretend to understand and the ins & outs of the network, but if we paid 1.5m for a player and then gave him to Standard for FA I'd feel a bit pissed off by it.
  • Nicholas
    Nicholas Posts: 7,629
    That's why smelly old bastards shouldn't be allowed to own more then one football club anywhere in the world.
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    I'm more disappointed that the Loic Nego transfer didn't work out.
  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,145
    MountsfieldPark said:

    I can't really see why it's a fraud. It's a commonplace in football for a club to pay a fee for a player and let him go on a free. I suppose that structurally, this was a case of moving an employee from one division of Staprix to another.

    I agree. The Socios got in touch, asking us if we can help with any info. We replied that the fee was simply described as "undisclosed" and tried to explain why that has become a running joke.

    Our friends in Liege seem to be suggesting that it's a big shock for the whole club to learn that Watt came here on a free, but it's hard to believe that only RD knew this. How could the Standard CEO and CFO not know? I thought Venanzi was the CEO, but I could be wrong. We will stay in touch with them, but I doubt this is as scurrilous as they are making out.

    They are away at STVV tomorrow, BTW. That could get spiky

  • SID
    SID Posts: 260
    PragueAddick said:

    MountsfieldPark said:

    I can't really see why it's a fraud. It's a commonplace in football for a club to pay a fee for a player and let him go on a free. I suppose that structurally, this was a case of moving an employee from one division of Staprix to another.

    I agree. The Socios got in touch, asking us if we can help with any info. We replied that the fee was simply described as "undisclosed" and tried to explain why that has become a running joke.

    Our friends in Liege seem to be suggesting that it's a big shock for the whole club to learn that Watt came here on a free, but it's hard to believe that only RD knew this. How could the Standard CEO and CFO not know? I thought Venanzi was the CEO, but I could be wrong. We will stay in touch with them, but I doubt this is as scurrilous as they are making out.

    They are away at STVV tomorrow, BTW. That could get spiky

    If the Standard CEO is anything like our CEO then it doesn't matter whether he knew or not. I wouldn't put too much truck in him looking after the best interests of the club he's working for Prague.

  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,223
    edited October 2015
    Directors of companies have a duty to act in the best interests of that company.

    Giving away an asset that you paid 1.5e for only a few months before might not be in the best interest of a Co.

    It might just be a case of moving on a flop or sour grapes from the new owner.

    Or it could be an example of some strange transfers. I wonder what we paid and received for Tucedean, Nego, Le Point etc and where the fees went?

    But as the legend reminds us once you've open Pandora's box you can't close it again.
  • JohnnyH2
    JohnnyH2 Posts: 5,342
    KM said at the VIP meeting that by selling Yann it allowed us to buy Tony Watt. Now this of course is nonsense since there was 12 months between the deals (Tucadean had also come inbetween)

    If any one can be bothered have a look have a look on YouTube as the meeting is on there. No way I will watch it, being there was worse than a lot of nightmares I have had!
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,223
    JohnnyH2 said:

    KM said at the VIP meeting that by selling Yann it allowed us to buy Tony Watt. Now this of course is nonsense since there was 12 months between the deals (Tucadean had also come inbetween)

    If any one can be bothered have a look have a look on YouTube as the meeting is on there. No way I will watch it, being there was worse than a lot of nightmares I have had!

    My recollection is that she said we'd replaced Yann with Watt. Which we hadn't as our head of recruitment felt Watt would be ideal for Liege and Tucadean would be good for us.

    Yes the same head of recruitment who felt we could do better than Yann and that Polish Pete was the man to replace him.

    Who was this scouting genius?

    Karel Fraeye.


  • redman
    redman Posts: 5,285
    Henry - is this right? or was it this chap Dudu? Do you know are you guessing?

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