Charlton in adversity, I think we have got our Charlton back
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"I think we have got our Charlton back" means different things to different people. In my case, I cant relate to the owner and "crew" because I am not convinced they have any affinity to, of love of, our team; it could be any team they bought/manage, in any country,league, but it happens to be our team, Charlton Athletic.
I cant think of any other club owner (but I am sure I will be corrected on here!) that watches/spectates at so few games as RD does. Surely a genuine love of the team would mean he would attend many more matches than he does. I also cant relate to any of the post-Powell managers as I could with Lennie, Curbs or Sir Chris; managers who you felt were genuine Charlton and cared about the club.
As a season ticket holder, I missed my first home game of the season yesterday (150 mile round trip), because after the Brentford game and then the MK Dons game (the latter being the closest league team to me geographically). I have had enough. The really good result yesterday against SW, whilst pleasing, has not, in isolation, re-ignited the previous fire in my belly. One good result is not enough in my case to claim "we have got our Charlton back".17 -
Got our Charlton back ? Because of a 3-1 win ? Yep, that makes everything rosy then doesn't it.6
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User name says enough for me .We are still travelling UP HILL.0
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Does this mean Roly can stay? ........lollllll0
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Demonstration and performance on the pitch is a start. The crowd showed that it is possible to support the players and the team whilst challenging the owner and chief executive. The atmosphere at the ground was excellent. Good media coverage as well for the demonstration. Demonstrations and actions against Duchatlet and the rubbish job Katrein Meire is doing, need to continue. Lets aim for a cracking atmosphere again at the Ipswich game.PeterGage said:"I think we have got our Charlton back" means different things to different people. In my case, I cant relate to the owner and "crew" because I am not convinced they have any affinity to, of love of, our team; it could be any team they bought/manage, in any country,league, but it happens to be our team, Charlton Athletic.
I cant think of any other club owner (but I am sure I will be corrected on here!) that watches/spectates at so few games as RD does. Surely a genuine love of the team would mean he would attend many more matches than he does. I also cant relate to any of the post-Powell managers as I could with Lennie, Curbs or Sir Chris; managers who you felt were genuine Charlton and cared about the club.
As a season ticket holder, I missed my first home game of the season yesterday (150 mile round trip), because after the Brentford game and then the MK Dons game (the latter being the closest league team to me geographically). I have had enough. The really good result yesterday against SW, whilst pleasing, has not, in isolation, re-ignited the previous fire in my belly. One good result is not enough in my case to claim "we have got our Charlton back".5 -
Ok it doesn't make everything rosy but on the opposite side every time we lose its not a catastrophe.alan dugdale said:Got our Charlton back ? Because of a 3-1 win ? Yep, that makes everything rosy then doesn't it.
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I respect the feelings of a long time supporter and them good old days than to knock this post.
Just the days of 10p match day magazine and 50p to get through the turnstiles, not forgetting the Percy Dalton roasted peanut seller roaming the stands, and a few good results, to keep us happy, beating Chelsea, West Ham, Tottenham, and Brian Clough's famous Nottingham Forest side in their promotion year at the Valley are a thing of the past.
The idea of top football at the Valley was given to us, and our new generation of future life long supporters which demand more than the old acceptance of things, and rightly so.
This club sits on a good basis to accommodate top football, those fans will demand it, and any owner of this club must have a solidarity with its supporters. One good result should not in anyway let RD and KM off the hook, only those who 'invest' and trust in the coaching staff it employs with a unity succeed.
No more rose tinted glasses here Sir.1 -
I've no problem whatsoever with anybody knocking my posts...the point of this one was Charlton, like 90% or more of the clubs in the top 2 flights and 100% of the clubs below that, are only ever going to have an occasional 'good' season, no matter what facilities, fans expectations or money that's thrown at the team...what's happening now at the club is the norm... That's football...'we want our Charlton back ' ? We've got it...what we really should be chanting is we want that Charlton that won promotion to the premier league, or stayed there or Chris Powell's record breaking promotion season...2
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Regardless of the good result on the pitch, we need a change of ownership again.
The current lot are not bothered by our history or the fans in general, and the word "Club" does not carry the same meaning with RD as it does with us.
My guess at RD strategy is to find local footballers for the academy and sell them for profit.
The £10m a year (or whatever it costs to run CAFC) can be recovered with just one sale.
Everything else that goes on is just a side-issue.
How we achieve this change and who would buy us ?
That is the £30m question.1 -
It isn't merely results though is it. It's the fact that our owner doesn't appoint people from a wide pool, people who can beat do a job (or manager). It's restricted to Network employees who will tie the line.letthegoodtimesroll said:I've no problem whatsoever with anybody knocking my posts...the point of this one was Charlton, like 90% or more of the clubs in the top 2 flights and 100% of the clubs below that, are only ever going to have an occasional 'good' season, no matter what facilities, fans expectations or money that's thrown at the team...what's happening now at the club is the norm... That's football...'we want our Charlton back ' ? We've got it...what we really should be chanting is we want that Charlton that won promotion to the premier league, or stayed there or Chris Powell's record breaking promotion season...
It's about having a thin squad with little experience just because he wants to balance the books.
It's about a CEO who wants to forget our history.
It's about lack of communication to supporters.
If all the above points were addressed and we sat mid table, there wouldn't be the apathy or protests.
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Exactly. But after one loss, no-one cries that they want their Charlton back. People are more hacked off with our set up and it's contributory factor in us not winning since August.iaitch said:
Ok it doesn't make everything rosy but on the opposite side every time we lose its not a catastrophe.alan dugdale said:Got our Charlton back ? Because of a 3-1 win ? Yep, that makes everything rosy then doesn't it.
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Excellent result for sure, but surprised across the various threads that this seems to be seen by some as the turning of the corner. It's one game, just as MK Dons was one game. Hard to believe that to some almost overnight an inept CEO has become an acceptable one and a manager with almost no experience has become the answer. Let's be prepared to accept we were wrong in a month or two, and in the meantime keep up the pressure on the owner and his lackeys5
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I broke my boycott to join in the protests but it was clear from the limited protests outside and the complete lack of any in the ground from what I saw from lower west, that the old Charlton may be beyond saving as those that go are largely completely devoid of any thoughts of change. Majority just say better the devil or seem to think it is all about a few results. Davidson's comments sum that up for the majority I think ie "it is not Miere's fault that Cousins can't pass."
And even the protestors were too peaceful. Some overnight posters on here show that lack of backbone too.
I had forgotten that my boycott was not just about the owners, it was also because I couldn't stomach sitting with the majority there that support them by going or working for them. My mistake was I thought protest could get the old Charlton back. Cruella's laughs showed that on only that thing we are in agreement.
Back to the boycott.0 -
'We want our Charlton back' is an interesting theology given how many of our supporters thought it was the second coming when RD bought the club. Because the modern era English football fan thinks everybody can be some form of Man City if their owner is vastly rich to whatever degree, and because they've played too much Football Manager whilst spanking off to Cheryl Cole's theme-tune, they all buy into it from the get-go and back every single decision. Look how many sold out on Powell after everything he'd done for us on the opposite end of the spectrum, they backed those decisions and like a lot of this ownership things haven't worked out because of the lack of experience and stability and now everyone "wants their Charlton back", yet most of these pre-teen former Arsenal fans (yes North Lower, I'm looking at you!) couldn't tell you what made Charlton in the first place anyway.
It doesn't mean different things to different fans, it makes sense to about 30% of us and the rest are just crowd-surfing the anger and trying to pretend they weren't all big fans of RD 18 months ago.0 -
To be fair given it was the first protest aimed at the current regime I thought it was quite an impressive turnout and i'm sure if and when the next protest takes place there would be just as many people turning out and probably more who avoided this one for whichever reason. I wasn't at the protest I was inside the ground at 2.30pm and could quite clearly hear the protests and chants going on from my seat in the North Upper.kentred2 said:I broke my boycott to join in the protests but it was clear from the limited protests outside and the complete lack of any in the ground from what I saw from lower west, that the old Charlton may be beyond saving as those that go are largely completely devoid of any thoughts of change. Majority just say better the devil or seem to think it is all about a few results. Davidson's comments sum that up for the majority I think ie "it is not Miere's fault that Cousins can't pass."
And even the protestors were too peaceful. Some overnight posters on here show that lack of backbone too.
I had forgotten that my boycott was not just about the owners, it was also because I couldn't stomach sitting with the majority there that support them by going or working for them. My mistake was I thought protest could get the old Charlton back. Cruella's laughs showed that on only that thing we are in agreement.
Back to the boycott.
As for protesting inside the ground the players have made it quite clear the booing affects them even if it's not aimed at them so the protests rightly took place outside the ground while inside the ground it should be all about getting behind the team. If you want to protest inside the ground then wear black and white so it's something visible rather than booing.
I'm not sure what you were expecting to see yesterday, KM strangled by a tartan blanket forced into signing her resignation? The protest gained the attention of the media and KM which no doubt will now have the attention of RD which is probably about as effective as it could have been yesterday.6 -
If we are going to achieve our aims of regime change it will have to be a long and organised campaign. Yesterday was fairly disorganised but it was only the start.1
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I am not sure how much media attention you are aware of all I have read was four lines in the Observer yesterday. FC United's yet to take place protest has received more press attention.MartinCAFC said:
To be fair given it was the first protest aimed at the current regime I thought it was quite an impressive turnout and i'm sure if and when the next protest takes place there would be just as many people turning out and probably more who avoided this one for whichever reason. I wasn't at the protest I was inside the ground at 2.30pm and could quite clearly hear the protests and chants going on from my seat in the North Upper.kentred2 said:I broke my boycott to join in the protests but it was clear from the limited protests outside and the complete lack of any in the ground from what I saw from lower west, that the old Charlton may be beyond saving as those that go are largely completely devoid of any thoughts of change. Majority just say better the devil or seem to think it is all about a few results. Davidson's comments sum that up for the majority I think ie "it is not Miere's fault that Cousins can't pass."
And even the protestors were too peaceful. Some overnight posters on here show that lack of backbone too.
I had forgotten that my boycott was not just about the owners, it was also because I couldn't stomach sitting with the majority there that support them by going or working for them. My mistake was I thought protest could get the old Charlton back. Cruella's laughs showed that on only that thing we are in agreement.
Back to the boycott.
As for protesting inside the ground the players have made it quite clear the booing affects them even if it's not aimed at them so the protests rightly took place outside the ground while inside the ground it should be all about getting behind the team. If you want to protest inside the ground then wear black and white so it's something visible rather than booing.
I'm not sure what you were expecting to see yesterday, KM strangled by a tartan blanket forced into signing her resignation? The protest gained the attention of the media and KM which no doubt will now have the attention of RD which is probably about as effective as it could have been yesterday.0 -
It was mentioned in The Sun's match report yesterday and in today's paper. I've not checked any other newspaper but tabloids don't get much bigger than The Sun regardless people's opinions of them.waldo said:
I am not sure how much media attention you are aware of all I have read was four lines in the Observer yesterday. FC United's yet to take place protest has received more press attention.MartinCAFC said:
To be fair given it was the first protest aimed at the current regime I thought it was quite an impressive turnout and i'm sure if and when the next protest takes place there would be just as many people turning out and probably more who avoided this one for whichever reason. I wasn't at the protest I was inside the ground at 2.30pm and could quite clearly hear the protests and chants going on from my seat in the North Upper.kentred2 said:I broke my boycott to join in the protests but it was clear from the limited protests outside and the complete lack of any in the ground from what I saw from lower west, that the old Charlton may be beyond saving as those that go are largely completely devoid of any thoughts of change. Majority just say better the devil or seem to think it is all about a few results. Davidson's comments sum that up for the majority I think ie "it is not Miere's fault that Cousins can't pass."
And even the protestors were too peaceful. Some overnight posters on here show that lack of backbone too.
I had forgotten that my boycott was not just about the owners, it was also because I couldn't stomach sitting with the majority there that support them by going or working for them. My mistake was I thought protest could get the old Charlton back. Cruella's laughs showed that on only that thing we are in agreement.
Back to the boycott.
As for protesting inside the ground the players have made it quite clear the booing affects them even if it's not aimed at them so the protests rightly took place outside the ground while inside the ground it should be all about getting behind the team. If you want to protest inside the ground then wear black and white so it's something visible rather than booing.
I'm not sure what you were expecting to see yesterday, KM strangled by a tartan blanket forced into signing her resignation? The protest gained the attention of the media and KM which no doubt will now have the attention of RD which is probably about as effective as it could have been yesterday.0 -
Proper having our Charlton back is upper mid-table prem footy and 27K at home with the odd England international player right?1
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No Mate, punching, and extremely fortunate to have witnessed it in our lifetime.CAFCTrev said:Proper having our Charlton back is upper mid-table prem footy and 27K at home with the odd England international player right?
We are a Mid to Play off Championship club.
Anything else is a bonus.
That's my view so no pelters please.
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The Sunday Times mentioned it as wellMartinCAFC said:
It was mentioned in The Sun's match report yesterday and in today's paper. I've not checked any other newspaper but tabloids don't get much bigger than The Sun regardless people's opinions of them.waldo said:
I am not sure how much media attention you are aware of all I have read was four lines in the Observer yesterday. FC United's yet to take place protest has received more press attention.MartinCAFC said:
To be fair given it was the first protest aimed at the current regime I thought it was quite an impressive turnout and i'm sure if and when the next protest takes place there would be just as many people turning out and probably more who avoided this one for whichever reason. I wasn't at the protest I was inside the ground at 2.30pm and could quite clearly hear the protests and chants going on from my seat in the North Upper.kentred2 said:I broke my boycott to join in the protests but it was clear from the limited protests outside and the complete lack of any in the ground from what I saw from lower west, that the old Charlton may be beyond saving as those that go are largely completely devoid of any thoughts of change. Majority just say better the devil or seem to think it is all about a few results. Davidson's comments sum that up for the majority I think ie "it is not Miere's fault that Cousins can't pass."
And even the protestors were too peaceful. Some overnight posters on here show that lack of backbone too.
I had forgotten that my boycott was not just about the owners, it was also because I couldn't stomach sitting with the majority there that support them by going or working for them. My mistake was I thought protest could get the old Charlton back. Cruella's laughs showed that on only that thing we are in agreement.
Back to the boycott.
As for protesting inside the ground the players have made it quite clear the booing affects them even if it's not aimed at them so the protests rightly took place outside the ground while inside the ground it should be all about getting behind the team. If you want to protest inside the ground then wear black and white so it's something visible rather than booing.
I'm not sure what you were expecting to see yesterday, KM strangled by a tartan blanket forced into signing her resignation? The protest gained the attention of the media and KM which no doubt will now have the attention of RD which is probably about as effective as it could have been yesterday.0 -
If we want regime change, then we need a new owner. It's no use wanting RD out when there's nobody else who wants to own the clubHex said:If we are going to achieve our aims of regime change it will have to be a long and organised campaign. Yesterday was fairly disorganised but it was only the start.
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I would say we're a bit better than that. Mid Championship to lower mid Premier club.Charltonparklane said:
No Mate, punching, and extremely fortunate to have witnessed it in our lifetime.CAFCTrev said:Proper having our Charlton back is upper mid-table prem footy and 27K at home with the odd England international player right?
We are a Mid to Play off Championship club.
Anything else is a bonus.
That's my view so no pelters please.0
