After the meeting, I've finally worked out his strategy...
Bring in the youth, hope some shine, sell them on for profit...
If we are there or there about come December splash a bit more money and gamble on potential promotion...
keep all other costs low, cheap mangers who won't kick off at ridiculous strategy...
Rinse and Repeat...
Boring as bat shit... no wonder everyone is leaving and not returning...
He can change his mind and bend the rules to this framework but overall this is a like or lump it strategy...
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Sadly think your right, but even more sadly believe there will be a huge drop in season ticket sales next season unless something radically changes.0
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We'll never know, as every transfer is undisclosed.1
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Average attendance is at a 18 year low (apparently) this season. They can put as much spin on that they have 1100 new season ticket holders, but those are the facts.Hartleypete said:Sadly think your right, but even more sadly believe there will be a huge drop in season ticket sales next season unless something radically changes.
People will not pay good money to watch this mad experiment and from the most affordable club in London.5 -
That is the "recruitment Strategy".
Problem is the recruitment is average at best.
Relying on data analysis in Belguim and ignoring the demands of the Championship, sidelining your Head scout so much he leaves while, surprise, surprise, Standard Liege, reserves all qualify.
KM said that football is a global game to justify not considering an English manager.
Yet we are the most parochial club in the division. We only recruit coaches from one small country of 11m people in NW Europe or in one case an Israel who had worked in the same country.
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Yep... Data analysis... coach says, "I need a midfielder" and then we go to the scouts... as if this drivel will ever get us anywhere... Curbs used to personally scout 5 or 6 times ...
Utter tossers these... and I feel so detached from them that I almost want them to start next season in front of 8,000 with hardly any season ticket renewals... Just to get the point across...
You can't run a passion filled, emotion based, traditional activity as a cold numbers based business...
as they will learn...
It's all a question of how much damage they actually do...
I want the protests to continue... Yet these seem so f-ing thick they don't even get why we are protesting...
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And Katrien does the negotiating .....
And apparently we have spent £9m
Really on what , is anyone worth much
Footballing costs up , performances down...
who has shown Katrien the footballing ropes as she negotiates with other clubs and agents
A thankless task but if it's all about streamlining costs etc surely you'd like someone with a bit of footballing nous to be doing your wheeling and dealing
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Hardly a revelation
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You've only just got this? KM had already explained it several times.....20
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I think I just didn't want to believe it.... I thought that over time he may have been adjusting things, or upon realising this is the worst plan since an entire people decided to leave their own houses and burn them down... change thingsFishCostaFortune said:You've only just got this? KM had already explained it several times.....
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Ha ha, just a note about my previous post, I was making a joke at KM's expense after she claimed in her recent presentation that she had already explained the networks strategy to fans.mascot88 said:
I think I just didn't want to believe it.... I thought that over time he may have been adjusting things, or upon realising this is the worst plan since an entire people decided to leave their own houses and burn them down... change thingsFishCostaFortune said:You've only just got this? KM had already explained it several times.....
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Using statistics is all very well - Brighton use this system and so do Brentford, but at the end of the day you are going to sign a human.
He has to be a team player, and someone needs to know what type of bloke he is. We have had a few training grouund / pitch "bust ups" ourselves in the past.
Players like Ballotelli and Adebayor will have had decent stats in their time - but they bring their own kind of quirkiness when you sign them.
Jacko's stats are probably on the decline - but look at the diamond geezer you get when you sign him.12 -
As someone has said before they are taking the "moneyball" approach which was successful for the Oakland A's in Major League Baseball. Big difference though is baseball is a game completely based on an individuals stats. They were successful by looking beyond the usual how many home runs someone gets and looking at things like how often someone gets on base and even how often someone draws a walk from a pitcher. They took the tried and tested way of evaluating players and turned it upside down. Doesn't look to me like we are doing that. Everyone looks at stats on footballers along with monitoring them over a period of time.
Southampton already have players on their radar long before they need them. They know good players will move on so they are constantly lining players up for when/if that happens. We seem to be putting all our emphasis on some excel spreadsheet experts in Belgique!2 -
I really like this interpretation and think you have got it spot on! KM please comment.mascot88 said:Buy players who have been injured or have under performed their potential shove them into a division where you play a large number of games, hope one or 2 shine, sell them on for profit...
Bring in the youth, hope some shine, sell them on for profit...
If we are there or there about come December splash a bit more money and gamble on potential promotion...
keep all other costs low, cheap mangers who won't kick off at ridiculous strategy...
Rinse and Repeat...
Boring as bat shit... no wonder everyone is leaving and not returning...
He can change his mind and bend the rules to this framework but overall this is a like or lump it strategy...0 -
Though this man may disagree...mascot88 said:Buy players who have been injured or have under performed their potential shove them into a division where you play a large number of games, hope one or 2 shine, sell them on for profit...
Bring in the youth, hope some shine, sell them on for profit...
If we are there or there about come December splash a bit more money and gamble on potential promotion...
keep all other costs low, cheap mangers who won't kick off at ridiculous strategy...
Rinse and Repeat...
Boring as bat shit... no wonder everyone is leaving and not returning...
He can change his mind and bend the rules to this framework but overall this is a like or lump it strategy...
http://www.bookdepository.com/More-Precious-Than-Gold-David-Hollett/9781611473575
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So will you go to Dartford or even Valley Rovers next season HP?Hartleypete said:Sadly think your right, but even more sadly believe there will be a huge drop in season ticket sales next season unless something radically changes.
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How many season tickets could you buy with a million quid ?Hartleypete said:Sadly think your right, but even more sadly believe there will be a huge drop in season ticket sales next season unless something radically changes.
If he can sell 3 players a year for 3 or 5 million total would that be worth more that 10k STs ?my maths brain has left me for now.0 -
I referenced this on the other thread oohaah. £9m and we're where we were two years ago in terms of league position. It's crazy. If a company spent £9m on whatever, new staff, new computers, a new supply chain process, and the staff couldn't improve productivity, the computers didn't really change how IT contributes to the business and the supply chain was still inefficient and goods were received late etc, does that represent good value for money, NO, should the company owners be called into account, YES.oohaahmortimer said:And Katrien does the negotiating .....
And apparently we have spent £9m
Really on what , is anyone worth much
Footballing costs up , performances down...
who has shown Katrien the footballing ropes as she negotiates with other clubs and agents
A thankless task but if it's all about streamlining costs etc surely you'd like someone with a bit of footballing nous to be doing your wheeling and dealing
FuckingBelgianweirdos
The problem is RD is only accountable to himself. This is a hobby for him, yet he's running his hobby like a business. We've got the worst of both worlds. He really only should've got involved in this if he was all in. We bleed for this club, it would be a massive gap in our lives if it wasn't there. I don't think he is 'all in', therefore we will go nowhere slowly2 -
As Airman Brown recently put it, so succinctly, RD Farms players.mascot88 said:Buy players who have been injured or have under performed their potential shove them into a division where you play a large number of games, hope one or 2 shine, sell them on for profit...
Bring in the youth, hope some shine, sell them on for profit...
If we are there or there about come December splash a bit more money and gamble on potential promotion...
keep all other costs low, cheap mangers who won't kick off at ridiculous strategy...
Rinse and Repeat...
Boring as bat shit... no wonder everyone is leaving and not returning...
He can change his mind and bend the rules to this framework but overall this is a like or lump it strategy...
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Do you want to pass the strategy thoughts on to Roland... I'm not sure if even he gets it3
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I don't think he gets football full stop! Everyone in a team is dispensable and interchangeable according to Roly and there seems to be not appreciation of why people attend, or are loyal to Charlton (or any club for that matter).ForeverAddickted said:Do you want to pass the strategy thoughts on to Roland... I'm not sure if even he gets it
RD and KM; It's the football stupid! (apps Bill Clinton)
Personally I want to see a good, committed, skilful game of football from a team with at least some sort of ability to compete and progress - RD seems to forget that in addition to all of the complex family, historical and tribal loyalties (which he seems so disdainful about) that football is also fundamentally entertainment - on and off the field it truly is the beautiful game!
In order to make his "player farming" work he needs good football, good crowds and at least the Championship. Again Airman was able to express this with far more detail.
Whether this " model" can work at all without conflicting with the main reasons people support teams and watch football is highly debatable. What is clear however is that RD and KM are clueless about most aspects of the game and running a football club and it sure as hell is this going to work as it is.
KM's awful performance the other day said it all really - think about the last time you started a conversation with a fellow supporter did you talk about scores, the game, form, footballers, or the average transfer fee.
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If you sell your best players every year, your team will not improve. Your team will be relegated.
It is really very simple and I don't understand how they fail (or refuse!) to grasp the concept.3 -
To be honest Joe Gomez was the only player that we sold in the summer... Many of our players that left were out of Contract and werent of the calibre to push us on up the leagues (Simon Church and Lawrie Wilson struggling with MK Dons and Bolton respectively prove this).
As KM has alluded to; this summer we only have five players out of Contract (Diarra / Jackson / Reza are the only ones I can really think of), I expect us to lose Gudmundsson but if we can sign another seven players next summer in the mold of Kashi / Bauer / Sarr etc... the year should be easier.
Another year of losing 20-players, well then the board are just plain stupid!!3 -
This could actually be a decent strategy. In fact, I'm not sure that it was a million miles away from what Curbs did on a fair few occasions. These players are a risk; because they are a risk they are heavily discounted. Because the teams competing for the bigger prizes are unwilling to take the risk, the discount is large enough to mean that it could be well worth gambling on finding a bargain. In the real world though, you'll win some and you'll lose some. If you have a squad that is large enough to carry a few duds it could be a good strategy because you may also unearth a few bargains. On the other hand, if you are as tight as arseholes, you'll fail miserably because if you get a dud you won't be able to cover for them. Guess what position we're in!mascot88 said:Buy players who have been injured or have under performed their potential shove them into a division where you play a large number of games, hope one or 2 shine sell them on for profit...
Bring in the youth, hope some shine, sell them on for profit...
If we are there or there about come December splash a bit more money and gamble on potential promotion...
keep all other costs low, cheap mangers who won't kick off at ridiculous strategy...
Rinse and Repeat...
Boring as bat shit... no wonder everyone is leaving and not returning...
He can change his mind and bend the rules to this framework but overall this is a like or lump it strategy...2 -
Keep doing it a couple of times by (possibly) selling one good player each summer means that we might get end up with enough players to ensure that we've got cover for the duds... Like you say, dangerous strategy to playStig said:
This could actually be a decent strategy. In fact, I'm not sure that it was a million miles away from what Curbs did on a fair few occasions. These players are a risk; because they are a risk they are heavily discounted. Because the teams competing for the bigger prizes are unwilling to take the risk, the discount is large enough to mean that it could be well worth gambling on finding a bargain. In the real world though, you'll win some and you'll lose some. If you have a squad that is large enough to carry a few duds it could be a good strategy because you may also unearth a few bargains. On the other hand, if you are as tight as arseholes, you'll fail miserably because if you get a dud you won't be able to cover for them. Guess what position we're in!mascot88 said:Buy players who have been injured or have under performed their potential shove them into a division where you play a large number of games, hope one or 2 shine sell them on for profit...
Bring in the youth, hope some shine, sell them on for profit...
If we are there or there about come December splash a bit more money and gamble on potential promotion...
keep all other costs low, cheap mangers who won't kick off at ridiculous strategy...
Rinse and Repeat...
Boring as bat shit... no wonder everyone is leaving and not returning...
He can change his mind and bend the rules to this framework but overall this is a like or lump it strategy...0 -
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You could well be right.Tutt-Tutt said:Charlton Alexandra
I sent a text to my cafc family (all 10 of them)
Saying the same thing in the 1st week of the takeover.
It still feels as if he bought the wrong CAFC ?
His model would work well in League 1 or 2.
As others have said, break even in the championship and you normally get relegated.
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That team that Curbs ascended for promotion in 97/98 though, what a team. We're nowhere near that IMOStig said:
This could actually be a decent strategy. In fact, I'm not sure that it was a million miles away from what Curbs did on a fair few occasions. These players are a risk; because they are a risk they are heavily discounted. Because the teams competing for the bigger prizes are unwilling to take the risk, the discount is large enough to mean that it could be well worth gambling on finding a bargain. In the real world though, you'll win some and you'll lose some. If you have a squad that is large enough to carry a few duds it could be a good strategy because you may also unearth a few bargains. On the other hand, if you are as tight as arseholes, you'll fail miserably because if you get a dud you won't be able to cover for them. Guess what position we're in!mascot88 said:Buy players who have been injured or have under performed their potential shove them into a division where you play a large number of games, hope one or 2 shine sell them on for profit...
Bring in the youth, hope some shine, sell them on for profit...
If we are there or there about come December splash a bit more money and gamble on potential promotion...
keep all other costs low, cheap mangers who won't kick off at ridiculous strategy...
Rinse and Repeat...
Boring as bat shit... no wonder everyone is leaving and not returning...
He can change his mind and bend the rules to this framework but overall this is a like or lump it strategy...
Ilic
Brown/Mills Rufus Chapple/Youds Bowen
Newton Kinsella Jones Robinson/Mortimer
Mendonca Jones/Bright
I know it might be a mismatch of a comparison because that was the eventual team that took us up, but that is the benchmark, a team that got promoted. Compare that to our team now. Even what people might consider our better players prob wouldn't get in. I wouldn't pick Cousins over Jones or Kinsella for example.
That team had so much. I know it's not exactly the point you are trying to make @Stig as you said Curbs would on occasion take risks, but what he did so well (even the players that didn't work out), would make sure they know what Charlton are all about, where they fit in, where they have a role etc. I don't see any bigger picture with our recruits. I think we just got fortunate that the likes of JBG have come in and done so well. But for every JBG we have 3/4 failed players
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I reckon I could sell her 14 chips for £50.oohaahmortimer said:And Katrien does the negotiating .....
And apparently we have spent £9m
Really on what , is anyone worth much
Footballing costs up , performances down...
who has shown Katrien the footballing ropes as she negotiates with other clubs and agents
A thankless task but if it's all about streamlining costs etc surely you'd like someone with a bit of footballing nous to be doing your wheeling and dealing
FuckingBelgianweirdos1
