When read in context it's not one to get overly excited about. I must admit that comments like those do bug me though. For the fifth home game in the last six we saw the team go 2-0 behind, what does he really want us to do at that point?
Sit there in silence or if you really don't like it then leave?
This isnt a dig at the comment I'm quoting now but people say: Oh if that was my line of work and I was producing results like that then I'd be sacked... Well how the hell would people on here like it if they got booed and shouted that their rubbish if they made a mistake at work... they'd be straight to HR crying their eyes out!!
but football is a different type of business all together. People pay to watch you perform. Footballers get a bloody good wage. If they don't like it then perhaps they should get a job in a factory, they wouldn't last five minutes.
You're missing the point! Just because they are footballers and paid (relatively) well it doesn't make some of them immune from being adversely affected by negativity! The good old fashioned 'man up' macho approach doesn't account for the fact that different people are affected in different ways - feelings and emotions and all that. Ultimately, if you want someone to perform well in the 'workplace' they need to feel appreciated/loved/whatever you want to call it. It's human nature! So, whilst I agree with the concept of protesting against the ineptitude and intransigence of the ownership etc, we should be cautious when it comes to the impact it can have on the players.
I know someone fairly well who is closely related to one of the players. They said to me the other day that the protests are definitely having a negative effect on the team. Proof, pudding etc etc.
When read in context it's not one to get overly excited about. I must admit that comments like those do bug me though. For the fifth home game in the last six we saw the team go 2-0 behind, what does he really want us to do at that point?
Sit there in silence or if you really don't like it then leave?
This isnt a dig at the comment I'm quoting now but people say: Oh if that was my line of work and I was producing results like that then I'd be sacked... Well how the hell would people on here like it if they got booed and shouted that their rubbish if they made a mistake at work... they'd be straight to HR crying their eyes out!!
but football is a different type of business all together. People pay to watch you perform. Footballers get a bloody good wage. If they don't like it then perhaps they should get a job in a factory, they wouldn't last five minutes.
You're missing the point! Just because they are footballers and paid (relatively) well it doesn't make some of them immune from being adversely affected by negativity! The good old fashioned 'man up' macho approach doesn't account for the fact that different people are affected in different ways - feelings and emotions and all that. Ultimately, if you want someone to perform well in the 'workplace' they need to feel appreciated/loved/whatever you want to call it. It's human nature! So, whilst I agree with the concept of protesting against the ineptitude and intransigence of the ownership etc, we should be cautious when it comes to the impact it can have on the players.
I know someone fairly well who is closely related to one of the players. They said to me the other day that the protests are definitely having a negative effect on the team. Proof, pudding etc etc.
I would venture to suggest that any possible negative effect that these careful and targeted protests may have upon the team pales into insignificance in comparison to the impact of five Managers in two years, Katrien as CEO and constantly selling and loaning our best players.
When read in context it's not one to get overly excited about. I must admit that comments like those do bug me though. For the fifth home game in the last six we saw the team go 2-0 behind, what does he really want us to do at that point?
Sit there in silence or if you really don't like it then leave?
This isnt a dig at the comment I'm quoting now but people say: Oh if that was my line of work and I was producing results like that then I'd be sacked... Well how the hell would people on here like it if they got booed and shouted that their rubbish if they made a mistake at work... they'd be straight to HR crying their eyes out!!
but football is a different type of business all together. People pay to watch you perform. Footballers get a bloody good wage. If they don't like it then perhaps they should get a job in a factory, they wouldn't last five minutes.
You're missing the point! Just because they are footballers and paid (relatively) well it doesn't make some of them immune from being adversely affected by negativity! The good old fashioned 'man up' macho approach doesn't account for the fact that different people are affected in different ways - feelings and emotions and all that. Ultimately, if you want someone to perform well in the 'workplace' they need to feel appreciated/loved/whatever you want to call it. It's human nature! So, whilst I agree with the concept of protesting against the ineptitude and intransigence of the ownership etc, we should be cautious when it comes to the impact it can have on the players.
I know someone fairly well who is closely related to one of the players. They said to me the other day that the protests are definitely having a negative effect on the team. Proof, pudding etc etc.
No, not proof at all.
There has been one protest during a game yet we've lost a lot more than one game.
People protested before Sheff Weds and we won.
Players really need to distinguish between a protest and booing. They are not the same thing.
The protests are having a negative effect on the team!!! We've only protested twice for Christ's sake! And one of them was before the game!
There were no protests during Luzon's losing streak-what did your mate say caused all those defeats? This whole thread and all the other rubbish about it not helping the players is really ticking me off! Bar the odd game, we've had to put up with dross for the last two years and, according to some of you, we should just be sitting and accepting and all singing jolly hockey sticks so we don't offend anyone!
I got my son his first season ticket last year and had dreams of me, my dad and my boy attending games for years to come. Instead I have spent the last 18 months apologising to him and watching him get gradually more disinterested. I am totally depressed about this whole situation as Charlton has been one of the biggest pleasures in my life for over 30 years yet I feel we're on the verge of a massive break up from which we might not recover. That breaks my heart and at present my only means of trying to rectify the situation is to make my feelings known to our owners-rightly so this is currently being done in a very measured and (mostly) polite way so if our precious players are being affected by it and the near non existent booing then I suggest they wear ear muffs in the future or, better still, do one. Ridiculous.
When read in context it's not one to get overly excited about. I must admit that comments like those do bug me though. For the fifth home game in the last six we saw the team go 2-0 behind, what does he really want us to do at that point?
Sit there in silence or if you really don't like it then leave?
This isnt a dig at the comment I'm quoting now but people say: Oh if that was my line of work and I was producing results like that then I'd be sacked... Well how the hell would people on here like it if they got booed and shouted that their rubbish if they made a mistake at work... they'd be straight to HR crying their eyes out!!
but football is a different type of business all together. People pay to watch you perform. Footballers get a bloody good wage. If they don't like it then perhaps they should get a job in a factory, they wouldn't last five minutes.
You're missing the point! Just because they are footballers and paid (relatively) well it doesn't make some of them immune from being adversely affected by negativity! The good old fashioned 'man up' macho approach doesn't account for the fact that different people are affected in different ways - feelings and emotions and all that. Ultimately, if you want someone to perform well in the 'workplace' they need to feel appreciated/loved/whatever you want to call it. It's human nature! So, whilst I agree with the concept of protesting against the ineptitude and intransigence of the ownership etc, we should be cautious when it comes to the impact it can have on the players.
I know someone fairly well who is closely related to one of the players. They said to me the other day that the protests are definitely having a negative effect on the team. Proof, pudding etc etc.
I feel so sorry for them, poor lambs.
Actually ...bolox ...try and see what life is like in the real world. Pathetic.
I got my son his first season ticket last year and had dreams of me, my dad and my boy attending games for years to come. Instead I have spent the last 18 months apologising to him and watching him get gradually more disinterested. I am totally depressed about this whole situation as Charlton has been one of the biggest pleasures in my life for over 30 years yet I feel we're on the verge of a massive break up from which we might not recover. That breaks my heart and at present my only means of trying to rectify the situation is to make my feelings known to our owners-rightly so this is currently being done in a very measured and (mostly) polite way so if our precious players are being affected by it and the near non existent booing then I suggest they wear ear muffs in the future or, better still, do one. Ridiculous.
Keep plugging away and get involved as much as possible, with whatever you feel you can contribute. Talk to your son about it, even if you know he's too young to really get what's at stake. One day he will, and he'll appreciate more than anything, knowing that he and his old man played a part together in standing up and fighting for the club they love.
Tough shit Gudmunsson, it's not nice watching the club I've supported for 45 years self destruct. You are no doubt paid very well (in comparison to most of the fans) to kick a ball around for 90 minutes. You have hardly covered yourself in glory so far, so until we see you and the other players wearing the red shirt put in a fighting performance, with 100% commitment and passion, we will continue to protest. At the end of the season you will no doubt be gone, a rat deserting a sinking ship whilst we will remain, we are the one consistent thing at Charlton.
When read in context it's not one to get overly excited about. I must admit that comments like those do bug me though. For the fifth home game in the last six we saw the team go 2-0 behind, what does he really want us to do at that point?
Sit there in silence or if you really don't like it then leave?
This isnt a dig at the comment I'm quoting now but people say: Oh if that was my line of work and I was producing results like that then I'd be sacked... Well how the hell would people on here like it if they got booed and shouted that their rubbish if they made a mistake at work... they'd be straight to HR crying their eyes out!!
but football is a different type of business all together. People pay to watch you perform. Footballers get a bloody good wage. If they don't like it then perhaps they should get a job in a factory, they wouldn't last five minutes.
You're missing the point! Just because they are footballers and paid (relatively) well it doesn't make some of them immune from being adversely affected by negativity! The good old fashioned 'man up' macho approach doesn't account for the fact that different people are affected in different ways - feelings and emotions and all that. Ultimately, if you want someone to perform well in the 'workplace' they need to feel appreciated/loved/whatever you want to call it. It's human nature! So, whilst I agree with the concept of protesting against the ineptitude and intransigence of the ownership etc, we should be cautious when it comes to the impact it can have on the players.
I know someone fairly well who is closely related to one of the players. They said to me the other day that the protests are definitely having a negative effect on the team. Proof, pudding etc etc.
If the players feel that this is having a negatve effect on the team, then they should all go and see Meire to see if this matter can be resolved. She knows what she needs to do. If not, then the players may be understand why some of the fans are upset.
If they really think that the last two home games have been toxic, then i hate to think what they will feel if this matter is not resolved by the board.
Proportionate protest is not being unfair to the players - and anyone connected to the Club, whether player or Board member will have a very good idea about the valid reasons why a significant number of fans are protesting.
If the players are unhappy, then they should confront the Board themselves - the Board/owner is to blame for the protests, and any fallout that is affecting the performance of the players is a direct outcome of the Board/owner's failure to listen to structured, valid and fair criticism from it's customers. In normal business, employees may have next to no chance of putting their views over to the senior management. Football is different. The players have collective "power". Charlton players may well have been instrumental in helping remove Peeters and Luzon - and Fraeye could be next. Certainly the senior pro's like Jackson and Diarra must realise that sub-standard coaches are damaging the chance for improvement on the field. They should be telling the Board their concerns - including the logic of buying many players who have no experience of English football, let alone the ruthless competiveness of the Championship!
If the Board/owner still doesn't want to listen to the views of players and supporters, then the writing is on the wall! The fans' "Protest" is because they care about the state of their Club and how it is being run. If they're not being listened to, then the reasons for the Club to exist will disappear along with its support. This may well happen regardless of "Protest". But not Protesting will only hasten this outcome as it falsely shows we are all happy with the current state - and no change is needed.
On balance I'm prepared to give JBG the benefit of the doubt. His English is so good you forget it's his second language and he can't be expected to appreciate every nuance or the implications of every particular choice of words. He may well be unsettled by the brooding dissatisfaction of the fans without necessarily being against their reasons.
Provided the balance is right between protest and supporting the team then the players should just worry about their own performance.
As I have said previously I thought the support until Ipswich scored was good, the problem was when we went 3-0 down it got slightly more poisonous but that's partly to be expected.
I wasn't at the Sheff Wed game but it sounded a lot better but that's maybe cos we were winning..
Still not comfortable with digging out our best player in answering a question as honestly as he could..
Booing is not attached to the protests, so is a separate debate entirely, it is a fact that most clubs have a section of fans that will boo when watching their team (again) humiliated at home by another average team.
I don't agree with it, will never likely boo myself as don't see the point but I don't begrudge any fan their right to do it.
Either side of the booing debate, it or any random chants during the match has nothing to do with the Black & White protest, so unfair on all those involved with a clever campaign for it to be linked.
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I know someone fairly well who is closely related to one of the players. They said to me the other day that the protests are definitely having a negative effect on the team. Proof, pudding etc etc.
There has been one protest during a game yet we've lost a lot more than one game.
People protested before Sheff Weds and we won.
Players really need to distinguish between a protest and booing. They are not the same thing.
There were no protests during Luzon's losing streak-what did your mate say caused all those defeats? This whole thread and all the other rubbish about it not helping the players is really ticking me off! Bar the odd game, we've had to put up with dross for the last two years and, according to some of you, we should just be sitting and accepting and all singing jolly hockey sticks so we don't offend anyone!
I got my son his first season ticket last year and had dreams of me, my dad and my boy attending games for years to come. Instead I have spent the last 18 months apologising to him and watching him get gradually more disinterested. I am totally depressed about this whole situation as Charlton has been one of the biggest pleasures in my life for over 30 years yet I feel we're on the verge of a massive break up from which we might not recover. That breaks my heart and at present my only means of trying to rectify the situation is to make my feelings known to our owners-rightly so this is currently being done in a very measured and (mostly) polite way so if our precious players are being affected by it and the near non existent booing then I suggest they wear ear muffs in the future or, better still, do one. Ridiculous.
Actually ...bolox ...try and see what life is like in the real world. Pathetic.
donedropped a whoopsyIf they really think that the last two home games have been toxic, then i hate to think what they will feel if this matter is not resolved by the board.
If the players are unhappy, then they should confront the Board themselves - the Board/owner is to blame for the protests, and any fallout that is affecting the performance of the players is a direct outcome of the Board/owner's failure to listen to structured, valid and fair criticism from it's customers. In normal business, employees may have next to no chance of putting their views over to the senior management. Football is different. The players have collective "power". Charlton players may well have been instrumental in helping remove Peeters and Luzon - and Fraeye could be next. Certainly the senior pro's like Jackson and Diarra must realise that sub-standard coaches are damaging the chance for improvement on the field. They should be telling the Board their concerns - including the logic of buying many players who have no experience of English football, let alone the ruthless competiveness of the Championship!
If the Board/owner still doesn't want to listen to the views of players and supporters, then the writing is on the wall! The fans' "Protest" is because they care about the state of their Club and how it is being run. If they're not being listened to, then the reasons for the Club to exist will disappear along with its support. This may well happen regardless of "Protest". But not Protesting will only hasten this outcome as it falsely shows we are all happy with the current state - and no change is needed.
His English is so good you forget it's his second language and he can't be expected to appreciate every nuance or the implications of every particular choice of words.
He may well be unsettled by the brooding dissatisfaction of the fans without necessarily being against their reasons.
Of the players these owners have brought in then he has been by far the best so I'm not willing to destroy him for his comments just yet
As I have said previously I thought the support until Ipswich scored was good, the problem was when we went 3-0 down it got slightly more poisonous but that's partly to be expected.
I wasn't at the Sheff Wed game but it sounded a lot better but that's maybe cos we were winning..
Still not comfortable with digging out our best player in answering a question as honestly as he could..
I accept that booing could do but they should be lucky they are playing for us because elsewhere it would be far, far worse.
I don't agree with it, will never likely boo myself as don't see the point but I don't begrudge any fan their right to do it.
Either side of the booing debate, it or any random chants during the match has nothing to do with the Black & White protest, so unfair on all those involved with a clever campaign for it to be linked.