Nebojša Vignjević (English Translation - Network Puppet)

RodneyCharltonTrotta said:

If he is any better than our previous FIVE managers why has it taken so long to give him the job.

Obviously rated below them all.

Clueless

Because he had to prove he could last the first six months at his first club... If you can do that you get a promotion to the next club

moutuakilla said:

CostaFortune said:

Looks like he could stop the fighting in the dressing room
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There's 9 of him? Aha saves on the playing budget too

Now edited - down to 2. Couldn't afford all of them!

Addickted2TheReds said:

PragueAddick said:

In no way do I think this is a good idea BUT both @DJGaby on Twitter who runs Hungarofoot and lives in UK some of the time at least and watches English football reckons he is a good manager and speak perfect English. Then the well-connected Ujpest fan I was corresponding with woke up and we've had this dialogue (latest first)

one thing in what he is good at is to help a team reach their full potential. Winning the cup and supercup last year was an absolute overachievement, only thanks to him.

I do know he is a well prepared coach with a great view on the game. If the squad is adequate enough for the championship, he'll make the team stay.

Also, he is a great person, he was one of those that I really loved working with, and a few of those I still have a good relationship with. We only meet at games (and run into each other some times at frequent bars in Budapest), still I consider him one of the few great people in Hungarian football. A big loss for Ujpest, and really wish him and you guys the best!

Footie ezt írta (2016. január 13., szerda):
Hello mate

Nice to hear from you, very timely

Good to hear your upbeat view, but

- does he speak English, do you know?

- and is he prepared for the Championship? The pressure is horrible.And we are in a horrible state. I hope for his own sake that he realises what he is walking into

R
On 13 Jan 2016, at 16:25, xxx wrote:

Hi Richard,

just realized syncing this mailbox has been off for a while, I am really sorry.

Just wanted to tell you, you got an amazing coach, will be strongly missed from Ujpest.
Recent times were quite calm, but putting Vignjevic away from Ujpest within the network will light some fires... He is a huge fan favourite, the first coach to be respected in a decade...

I couldn't care less.

It shows no sign of progression or change of approach especially as the board wanted Riga but he turned us down.

This changes nothing and I won't bat an eye-lid if he wins his first five on the bounce - the issue is so much bigger than Nebby-what'shisface.

For me, he will never be welcome at Charlton.

Fraeye is out, finally, but there are still four people we need to eradicate from CAFC.

Roland, Katrien, Richard and Nebby-what'shisface ... it's time to go.

Yep, deffo the new Curbishley.

I thought Murray said RD admitted he underestimated the championship.

So he hires someone again with no experience of English football.

Vignjevic could be our new Ferguson.

LoOkOuT said:

Vignjevic could be our new Ferguson.

What in the sense that they've both got round heads and that the players cant understand a word of what they're saying?

bollocks.

Actually has a very decent Win ratio

CharltonByBlood said:

Actually has a very decent Win ratio

So did Guy Luzon......

PragueAddick said:

ForeverAddickted said:

PragueAddick said:

In no way do I think this is a good idea BUT both @DJGaby on Twitter who runs Hungarofoot and lives in UK some of the time at least and watches English football reckons he is a good manager and speak perfect English. Then the well-connected Ujpest fan I was corresponding with woke up and we've had this dialogue (latest first)

one thing in what he is good at is to help a team reach their full potential. Winning the cup and supercup last year was an absolute overachievement, only thanks to him.

I do know he is a well prepared coach with a great view on the game. If the squad is adequate enough for the championship, he'll make the team stay.

Also, he is a great person, he was one of those that I really loved working with, and a few of those I still have a good relationship with. We only meet at games (and run into each other some times at frequent bars in Budapest), still I consider him one of the few great people in Hungarian football. A big loss for Ujpest, and really wish him and you guys the best!

Footie ezt írta (2016. január 13., szerda):
Hello mate

Nice to hear from you, very timely

Good to hear your upbeat view, but

- does he speak English, do you know?

- and is he prepared for the Championship? The pressure is horrible.And we are in a horrible state. I hope for his own sake that he realises what he is walking into

R
On 13 Jan 2016, at 16:25, xxx wrote:

Hi Richard,

just realized syncing this mailbox has been off for a while, I am really sorry.

Just wanted to tell you, you got an amazing coach, will be strongly missed from Ujpest.
Recent times were quite calm, but putting Vignjevic away from Ujpest within the network will light some fires... He is a huge fan favourite, the first coach to be respected in a decade...

Great!!... Here comes the feeling of optimism

Have to admit... Jokanovic @ Watford last season and the man who won the U20 World Cup with Serbia, they're arent chucking out the worst Head Coaches at the moment

Well I'm not exactly optimistic, but here at least is some reason to give the guy a chance. There wasn't a single reason on God's earth to give Fraeye a chance.

I do not, I really do not want to go back down to that bloody league, so I say lets insulate him from our protests and back him while concentrating on the idiots who make these decisions.

Spare a thought for Ujpest too. AFAIK,(from Gaby actually) they still had a lot of their ultras staying away at the beginning of the season, and the results were giving them second thoughts. And remember their keeper, considered at the time to be their best player, was bundled in the van and sent here, and for what?

Except that (as posted elsewhere) this is what a brief Belgian visitor called Bertje told us about Fraeye in May 2014 (however, he only posted 8 times - all on the 'Karel Fraeye' thread - and could well have been Fraeye, his mum or even Duchatelet....?) :

"Bertje Member

May 2014

I'm a manager of a Belgian team and I'm following talented young players and coaches in the area of Flanders.
When I googled Fraeye and Charlton I saw this big forum.

I think it's normal that you addicks are hoping for an experienced head coach that you already know.
But don't underestimate Roland Duchatelet and the young coaches he's bringing ( like the former unknown coach Guy Luzon who's still making a chance to get Standard into the Champions League) .
I'm following Karel Fraeyes career and he's a talented, typical head coach. I've never seen a more talented young coach in our area.
As a young player, he had an accident that made an end at a possible career as a player.
From then, he started being a coach in all the youth teams and every year, his former teams gave him more responsibility.
He became youth manager of AA Gent (highest Belgian level) and different teams of 3th and 4th division wanted him as a head coach.
First he made a wrong choice with Sottegem ( players didn't get paid) but then he chose Zele because there, he got the opportunity to build a new team. Young talented players were coming to Zele because he became head coach.
He won the titel and this year he was in first position to gain a new title with almost the same team.
Higher playing teams were getting prepared to try to get him in but Duchatelet was the smartest and quickest.
He worked as a teacher and became at a younger age director of a school.
His strongest part is reading the game and coaching and motivating players as a team or individually.
You know: Some Belgian first and second class teams were saying: why does a talented coach as Fraeye chooses for Duchatelet and Charlton if he has opportunities in the Belgian first division. So they are underestimating Charlton and the championship too.
If they make Fraeye head coach: he will fully use the talent of the Charlton staff and players and he 'll get the best out of the squad.

Every great player and every great coach once was unexperienced at higher levels.
And you are right: Maybe Duchatelet doesn't know the better English coaches.. So isn't it normal that he plays it safe at his point of view and chooses good coaches he knows?
And at a very good price/quality rate.

Whatever it will be: I hope your beautiful club will get back in the premier league where you belong.
Good luck!"

http://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/61497/karel-fraeye/p3

micks1950 said:

PragueAddick said:

ForeverAddickted said:

PragueAddick said:

In no way do I think this is a good idea BUT both @DJGaby on Twitter who runs Hungarofoot and lives in UK some of the time at least and watches English football reckons he is a good manager and speak perfect English. Then the well-connected Ujpest fan I was corresponding with woke up and we've had this dialogue (latest first)

one thing in what he is good at is to help a team reach their full potential. Winning the cup and supercup last year was an absolute overachievement, only thanks to him.

I do know he is a well prepared coach with a great view on the game. If the squad is adequate enough for the championship, he'll make the team stay.

Also, he is a great person, he was one of those that I really loved working with, and a few of those I still have a good relationship with. We only meet at games (and run into each other some times at frequent bars in Budapest), still I consider him one of the few great people in Hungarian football. A big loss for Ujpest, and really wish him and you guys the best!

Footie ezt írta (2016. január 13., szerda):
Hello mate

Nice to hear from you, very timely

Good to hear your upbeat view, but

- does he speak English, do you know?

- and is he prepared for the Championship? The pressure is horrible.And we are in a horrible state. I hope for his own sake that he realises what he is walking into

R
On 13 Jan 2016, at 16:25, xxx wrote:

Hi Richard,

just realized syncing this mailbox has been off for a while, I am really sorry.

Just wanted to tell you, you got an amazing coach, will be strongly missed from Ujpest.
Recent times were quite calm, but putting Vignjevic away from Ujpest within the network will light some fires... He is a huge fan favourite, the first coach to be respected in a decade...

Great!!... Here comes the feeling of optimism

Have to admit... Jokanovic @ Watford last season and the man who won the U20 World Cup with Serbia, they're arent chucking out the worst Head Coaches at the moment

Well I'm not exactly optimistic, but here at least is some reason to give the guy a chance. There wasn't a single reason on God's earth to give Fraeye a chance.

I do not, I really do not want to go back down to that bloody league, so I say lets insulate him from our protests and back him while concentrating on the idiots who make these decisions.

Spare a thought for Ujpest too. AFAIK,(from Gaby actually) they still had a lot of their ultras staying away at the beginning of the season, and the results were giving them second thoughts. And remember their keeper, considered at the time to be their best player, was bundled in the van and sent here, and for what?

Except that (as posted elsewhere) this is what a brief Belgian visitor called Bertje told us about Fraeye in May 2014 (however, he only posted 8 times - all on the 'Karel Fraeye' thread - and could well have been Fraeye, his mum or even Duchatelet....?) :

"Bertje Member

May 2014

I'm a manager of a Belgian team and I'm following talented young players and coaches in the area of Flanders.
When I googled Fraeye and Charlton I saw this big forum.

I think it's normal that you addicks are hoping for an experienced head coach that you already know.
But don't underestimate Roland Duchatelet and the young coaches he's bringing ( like the former unknown coach Guy Luzon who's still making a chance to get Standard into the Champions League) .
I'm following Karel Fraeyes career and he's a talented, typical head coach. I've never seen a more talented young coach in our area.
As a young player, he had an accident that made an end at a possible career as a player.
From then, he started being a coach in all the youth teams and every year, his former teams gave him more responsibility.
He became youth manager of AA Gent (highest Belgian level) and different teams of 3th and 4th division wanted him as a head coach.
First he made a wrong choice with Sottegem ( players didn't get paid) but then he chose Zele because there, he got the opportunity to build a new team. Young talented players were coming to Zele because he became head coach.
He won the titel and this year he was in first position to gain a new title with almost the same team.
Higher playing teams were getting prepared to try to get him in but Duchatelet was the smartest and quickest.
He worked as a teacher and became at a younger age director of a school.
His strongest part is reading the game and coaching and motivating players as a team or individually.
You know: Some Belgian first and second class teams were saying: why does a talented coach as Fraeye chooses for Duchatelet and Charlton if he has opportunities in the Belgian first division. So they are underestimating Charlton and the championship too.
If they make Fraeye head coach: he will fully use the talent of the Charlton staff and players and he 'll get the best out of the squad.

Every great player and every great coach once was unexperienced at higher levels.
And you are right: Maybe Duchatelet doesn't know the better English coaches.. So isn't it normal that he plays it safe at his point of view and chooses good coaches he knows?
And at a very good price/quality rate.

Whatever it will be: I hope your beautiful club will get back in the premier league where you belong.
Good luck!"

http://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/61497/karel-fraeye/p3

That tells me not to trust any of Bertje's Amazon reviews

PragueAddick said:

In no way do I think this is a good idea BUT both @DJGaby on Twitter who runs Hungarofoot and lives in UK some of the time at least and watches English football reckons he is a good manager and speak perfect English. Then the well-connected Ujpest fan I was corresponding with woke up and we've had this dialogue (latest first)

one thing in what he is good at is to help a team reach their full potential. Winning the cup and supercup last year was an absolute overachievement, only thanks to him.

I do know he is a well prepared coach with a great view on the game. If the squad is adequate enough for the championship, he'll make the team stay.

Also, he is a great person, he was one of those that I really loved working with, and a few of those I still have a good relationship with. We only meet at games (and run into each other some times at frequent bars in Budapest), still I consider him one of the few great people in Hungarian football. A big loss for Ujpest, and really wish him and you guys the best!

Footie ezt írta (2016. január 13., szerda):
Hello mate

Nice to hear from you, very timely

Good to hear your upbeat view, but

- does he speak English, do you know?

- and is he prepared for the Championship? The pressure is horrible.And we are in a horrible state. I hope for his own sake that he realises what he is walking into

R
On 13 Jan 2016, at 16:25, xxx wrote:

Hi Richard,

just realized syncing this mailbox has been off for a while, I am really sorry.

Just wanted to tell you, you got an amazing coach, will be strongly missed from Ujpest.
Recent times were quite calm, but putting Vignjevic away from Ujpest within the network will light some fires... He is a huge fan favourite, the first coach to be respected in a decade...

Well I'm satisfied @PragueAddick