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HOWARD MARKS ... R I P

Lincsaddick
Lincsaddick Posts: 32,385
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'Mr Nice' has died aged 70 .. is his passing a warning to heavy cannabis users that regular smokers tend to die earlier than non drug users/smokers ?

.. R I P Howard

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  • Carter
    Carter Posts: 14,272
    70 is ancient for someone who led a life like his. I'll make him right on one thing, a plant shouldn't be illegal

    Rest in peace
  • Brendan_O_Connell
    Brendan_O_Connell Posts: 8,938
    RIP
  • Algarveaddick
    Algarveaddick Posts: 21,191
    His book is a cracking read. RIP "Mr Nice"
  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 34,072
    Algarveaddick said:

    His book is a cracking read. RIP "Mr Nice"

    Indeed it is RIP
  • Vincenzo
    Vincenzo Posts: 2,911
    RIP

    His cancer would have been from smoking tobacco rather than cannabis. Best to smoke it blunt.
  • kielyskickingboots
    kielyskickingboots Posts: 564
    Mr Nice is a great read - the ingenious schemes they came up with were incredibly fantastical, but I couldn't help thinking that with that much talent, ingenuity, background and contacts, surely they could have made serious money legitimately without the risks of losing years of their lives doing bird?

    Bit like Wile E Coyote. If he could afford all those ACME kits, why not just buy some food?
  • AddickUpNorth
    AddickUpNorth Posts: 8,325
    edited April 2016
    Saw him on one of his speaking tours back in the late 90s, he was a very witty and able storyteller. His life may not have suited everyone but noone could say it had been boring.

    RIP Howard.
  • PL54
    PL54 Posts: 10,757
    Very good first book, follow ups not so great.

    An interesting life for sure.

    RIP
  • addick1965
    addick1965 Posts: 5,092
    What a life he had..RIP
  • Halix
    Halix Posts: 2,237
    edited April 2016
    <blockquote class="Quote" rel="Carter" I'll make him right on one thing, a plant shouldn't be illegal




    What like Opium and Heroine you mean?

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  • uie2
    uie2 Posts: 4,596
    RIP
  • PL54
    PL54 Posts: 10,757
    Halix said:

    Heroine you mean?
    Cinderella?
  • Alwaysneil
    Alwaysneil Posts: 13,825
    Neither opium nor heroin are plants, they are manufactured plant extracts as is cocaine.

    I think the point Mr Nice and Carter are making is that the plant itself (weed, poppy, mushrooms and coca) should not be illegal. Particularly Howard Marks was focussed on weed.

    There is no decent research I am aware of that suggests weed (without tobacco) is damaging in its organic form. Certainly not anything that suggests it should be illegal.

    There is a much more interesting debate as to whether psychoactive substances refined from these plants, or strains of plant added to to increase the psychoactive impact (chemical induced skunk, opium, cocaine, lsd, heroin) should be illegal, controlled or just free for use and taxed like alcohol, tobacco, caffeine and sugar.

    If I could buy organic weed legally, I would certainly prioritise that as a beneficial substance over both cigarettes and alcohol.
  • Alwaysneil
    Alwaysneil Posts: 13,825
    And while I'm at it, whatever happened to red seal, gold seal, flake and oil?

    Crowded out by home grown chemical induced skunk I'm told by my associates who are more familiar with this sort of thing than me....
  • Carter
    Carter Posts: 14,272
    Halix said:

    @Alwaysneil has already said it, I'll say though it is a plant and I don't understand how a plant can be illegal. Derivatives of that plant are a different issue (heroin, cocaine and the like) but as far as weed goes I don't touch it but don't see how growing or smoking the leaves and buds of a plant can be criminalised.
  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,127
    Lock all the pot heads up.

    Howard Marks was a really interesting guy met him at a talk up in Hull once, was a hazy great evening.

    RIP Mr Nice.
  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,127
    Oh, also, if you'd like to know why weed is illegal, you may wish to have a read of "The Emperor Wears No Clothes" by Jack Herer.
  • Halix
    Halix Posts: 2,237
    Alwaysneil said:

    Neither opium nor heroin are plants, they are manufactured plant extracts as is cocaine.

    I think the point Mr Nice and Carter are making is that the plant itself (weed, poppy, mushrooms and coca) should not be illegal. Particularly Howard Marks was focussed on weed.

    There is no decent research I am aware of that suggests weed (without tobacco) is damaging in its organic form. Certainly not anything that suggests it should be illegal.

    There is a much more interesting debate as to whether psychoactive substances refined from these plants, or strains of plant added to to increase the psychoactive impact (chemical induced skunk, opium, cocaine, lsd, heroin) should be illegal, controlled or just free for use and taxed like alcohol, tobacco, caffeine and sugar.

    If I could buy organic weed legally, I would certainly prioritise that as a beneficial substance over both cigarettes and alcohol.

    But if you didnt have the plant, (and the allied forces tried fairly hard to destroy the Afghan poppy fields so I assume that they also thought these drugs were plant derivatives) then surely you would not have these drugs?.
  • Halix
    Halix Posts: 2,237
    edited April 2016
    Carter said:

    Halix said:

    @Alwaysneil has already said it, I'll say though it is a plant and I don't understand how a plant can be illegal. Derivatives of that plant are a different issue (heroin, cocaine and the like) but as far as weed goes I don't touch it but don't see how growing or smoking the leaves and buds of a plant can be criminalised.
    If you have ever been unfortunate enough to watch the program Australian Border Control (on Watch or Dave or Bruce), you will see that the Aussies have seemingly, and obsessively, made every plant and foodstuff illegal to import because of the "potential damage to indigenous Fauna..." So they have had a bash.
  • mcgrandall
    mcgrandall Posts: 933
    Halix said:

    Alwaysneil said:

    Neither opium nor heroin are plants, they are manufactured plant extracts as is cocaine.

    I think the point Mr Nice and Carter are making is that the plant itself (weed, poppy, mushrooms and coca) should not be illegal. Particularly Howard Marks was focussed on weed.

    There is no decent research I am aware of that suggests weed (without tobacco) is damaging in its organic form. Certainly not anything that suggests it should be illegal.

    There is a much more interesting debate as to whether psychoactive substances refined from these plants, or strains of plant added to to increase the psychoactive impact (chemical induced skunk, opium, cocaine, lsd, heroin) should be illegal, controlled or just free for use and taxed like alcohol, tobacco, caffeine and sugar.

    If I could buy organic weed legally, I would certainly prioritise that as a beneficial substance over both cigarettes and alcohol.

    But if you didnt have the plant, (and the allied forces tried fairly hard to destroy the Afghan poppy fields so I assume that they also thought these drugs were plant derivatives) then surely you would not have these drugs?.
    Or morphine or many other opiates. Let alone all the canabaloid pain killers we have just started to look at.

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  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 13,933
    Halix said:

    Alwaysneil said:

    Neither opium nor heroin are plants, they are manufactured plant extracts as is cocaine.

    I think the point Mr Nice and Carter are making is that the plant itself (weed, poppy, mushrooms and coca) should not be illegal. Particularly Howard Marks was focussed on weed.

    There is no decent research I am aware of that suggests weed (without tobacco) is damaging in its organic form. Certainly not anything that suggests it should be illegal.

    There is a much more interesting debate as to whether psychoactive substances refined from these plants, or strains of plant added to to increase the psychoactive impact (chemical induced skunk, opium, cocaine, lsd, heroin) should be illegal, controlled or just free for use and taxed like alcohol, tobacco, caffeine and sugar.

    If I could buy organic weed legally, I would certainly prioritise that as a beneficial substance over both cigarettes and alcohol.

    But if you didnt have the plant, (and the allied forces tried fairly hard to destroy the Afghan poppy fields so I assume that they also thought these drugs were plant derivatives) then surely you would not have these drugs?.

    Ahh bless, tried to destroy ? They were protecting those crops... Usage in the UK is peaking right now and prices have crashed. I can get a bag of smack just as easy as i can get weed... It wasn't like that 15 years ago.
  • colthe3rd
    colthe3rd Posts: 8,486
    shine166 said:

    Halix said:

    Alwaysneil said:

    Neither opium nor heroin are plants, they are manufactured plant extracts as is cocaine.

    I think the point Mr Nice and Carter are making is that the plant itself (weed, poppy, mushrooms and coca) should not be illegal. Particularly Howard Marks was focussed on weed.

    There is no decent research I am aware of that suggests weed (without tobacco) is damaging in its organic form. Certainly not anything that suggests it should be illegal.

    There is a much more interesting debate as to whether psychoactive substances refined from these plants, or strains of plant added to to increase the psychoactive impact (chemical induced skunk, opium, cocaine, lsd, heroin) should be illegal, controlled or just free for use and taxed like alcohol, tobacco, caffeine and sugar.

    If I could buy organic weed legally, I would certainly prioritise that as a beneficial substance over both cigarettes and alcohol.

    But if you didnt have the plant, (and the allied forces tried fairly hard to destroy the Afghan poppy fields so I assume that they also thought these drugs were plant derivatives) then surely you would not have these drugs?.

    Ahh bless, tried to destroy ? They were protecting those crops... Usage in the UK is peaking right now and prices have crashed. I can get a bag of smack just as easy as i can get weed... It wasn't like that 15 years ago.
    Pm me.

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