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The Friday Puzzler - Season tickets
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If no one renewed would it mean more chance of him selling ? I believe yes and find everything so unpalatable under these crank owners so I'm not renewing any of mine
But people don't want to make the ultimate sacrifice for the club so it becomes a catch 22 aaaaah
I consider myself a hardcore fan but I won't be funding this losers pathetic experiment , i and my family will make the ultimate footballing sacrifice and if that means differing seats when we return then I'll have to swallow it .
Each to their own but I believe not going is without doubt the hardest option
The best form of protest would be a completely empty home end , can we do it , obviously not9 -
I'm going down the Winchester to wait for the whole thing to blow over :-)8
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If there was a high uptake of S/T's Roland and KM would be able to laugh off the protests. If Roland does not sell there will be a slow agonising decline in our club as he chases his stupid vision. He has to be forced out ASAP, and a dramatic fall in S/T sales would make that happen all the quicker IMO.4
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Who do these people people feel they have to justify themselves to? You?RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
Utter senseless madness to fund this regime and probably materially damages the prospects and incentives of getting the owner gone regardless of how it's spun or attempted to be justified.
The answer is no-one; it is simply a matter of individual choice and the fact that you perceive it to be some sort of betrayal means nothing.
Covered End has felt the need to answer critics such as yourself and done so eloquently, but I don't think he should feel compelled to do so.How many of the non-renewers have missed a handful of games in 40 yrs; how many of them were at the town-hall that evening? I doubt there's a more loyal supporter on here than him.
People choose to do whatever they feel comfortable with and if the non-renewers feel they can take the the moral high-ground with their insidious remarks and murmurs of supporting the regime then they only succeed in making themselves look like puritanical oafs.
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This argument reminds me of the Selhurst days. I was among those who went, but fully respected those who refused to go. In the end I think both sets of fans were important to the club being rescued.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:Anyone renewing or buying a home ticket is funding the very regime that appears intent on destroying us through incompetence or indifference.
Logic dictates that the Belgian will more likely clear off if no one is paying him than if people continue to pay him even if they dress up as camels or wear black and white scarves after he's got their hard earned.
Utter senseless madness to fund this regime and probably materially damages the prospects and incentives of getting the owner gone regardless of how it's spun or attempted to be justified.
I wouldn't condemn anyone who buys a season ticket - I'm still in two minds myself as I'm not intending to stop going - although why so many feel the need to be early birds is beyond me. Charlton Athletic is part of my life and I'm damned if I'm going to let this regime steal it from me. I can't tell you how uncomfortable it was to leave the ground early willingly for the first time in my life.
However, they will be getting the absolute minimum from me. Not a penny in the club shop, no hospitality or events, nothing at the kiosks. I will be wearing my black and white scarf. I will be supporting and participating in protests. Should diplomatic opportunity ever present itself I'll try to increase pressure there too.
No-one should be demonised for their decisions, which are all made out of love for the club. And in my view everyone regardless is welcome to protest (although please no black and white scarves in the queue for the kiosks).9 -
Absolutely no one but people appear to be doing so. Certainly no one has to justify it to me and can't see where I've implied that they ought to.Redskin said:
Who do these people people feel they have to justify themselves to? You?RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
Utter senseless madness to fund this regime and probably materially damages the prospects and incentives of getting the owner gone regardless of how it's spun or attempted to be justified.
The answer is no-one; it is simply a matter of individual choice and the fact that you perceive it to be some sort of betrayal means nothing.
Covered End has felt the need to answer critics such as yourself and done so eloquently, but I don't think he should feel compelled to do so.How many of the non-renewers have missed a handful of games in 40 yrs; how many of them were at the town-hall that evening? I doubt there's a more loyal supporter on here than him.
People choose to do whatever they feel comfortable with and if the non-renewers feel they can take the the moral high-ground with their insidious remarks and murmurs of supporting the regime then they only succeed in making themselves look like puritanical oafs.
No moral high ground from my post just pointing out it is entirely illogical to financially support a regime you want gone.4 -
No one has to justify themselves to anyone. People are explaining their own thought process which makes it an interesting debate, but there is no need for justification nor to attempt to turn it into a them and us split between supporters.
My personal view is this is our 'big bang' summer in terms of Roland. The fewer people to renew, the increased chance of selling / change. The more people who renew, the opposite. The extent of that impact none of us really know.
The protests are the mere headline grabbers that bring media awareness to supporter un happiness. That in isolation, means very little now and indeed it seems to some protesting is now becoming a fun, match-enhancing experience that actually improved the atmosphere in the ground. It has to be backed up by a financial impact as well, and the only real way of doing that is by making sacrifices.
I think less people are prepared to make that sacrifice for a short period of time than perhaps some would have preferred.10 -
If everyone decided to renew and attend because we all miss it or didn't want to lose seats and we had 20k+ crowds then the owner would surely never leave even if we spent all game chanting for him to go.
If we had empty home ends for the opening three games then it's more likely he'd sell up asap as ticket and match day revenue would be obliterated.
Each to their own but it's irrational to say that paying for home games is not financially supporting the regime and giving them less of an incentive to sell up than not paying them a penny.9 -
Fair dos.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
Absolutely no one but people appear to be doing so. Certainly no one has to justify it to me and can't see where I've implied that they ought to.Redskin said:
Who do these people people feel they have to justify themselves to? You?RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
Utter senseless madness to fund this regime and probably materially damages the prospects and incentives of getting the owner gone regardless of how it's spun or attempted to be justified.
The answer is no-one; it is simply a matter of individual choice and the fact that you perceive it to be some sort of betrayal means nothing.
Covered End has felt the need to answer critics such as yourself and done so eloquently, but I don't think he should feel compelled to do so.How many of the non-renewers have missed a handful of games in 40 yrs; how many of them were at the town-hall that evening? I doubt there's a more loyal supporter on here than him.
People choose to do whatever they feel comfortable with and if the non-renewers feel they can take the the moral high-ground with their insidious remarks and murmurs of supporting the regime then they only succeed in making themselves look like puritanical oafs.
No moral high ground from my post just pointing out it is entirely illogical to financially support a regime you want gone.
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My attitude changed a little this weekend after talking with a couple of people who will probably renew later. Their reasons were basically because of an emotional attachment to the club, reasons which were valid to them, and which sounded completely valid to me as well tbh.
As someone who has mostly been attending protests, but not matches, my view had been that supporting this lot financially in any way was sending a mixed message, but I now I can understand, for some, the protests are separate from attendance.
Roland has taken an awful lot away from the community of this club towards his own warped view of what a football club should be. But some people are still going because they won't let him take away their choice to support the team they have done for years, through thick and thin.
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My Earlybird discounts (2 x £25) have been transferred this morning to the Protest Fund as promised above..LenGlover said:
I'm afraid I am a SCAB as of half an hour ago.Off_it said:Everyone who disagrees with my point of view is a turncoat scab.
I haven't actually formulated my point of view yet, but the above point still stands. SCABS
I have agonised long and hard about this decision but as there are only 4 seats available according to the website in my block I renewed earlier. I have sat where I sit for more than 10 years and like it there so I will be the one to lose out when my seat gets nabbed by somebody else.
I will be donating £50 (2 x £25 early bird discounts ) to the protest fund run by @Curb_It as the only reason I did it was to safeguard my seats not for any financial benefit. If I had season tickets in less populated areas then I would be boycotting with the best of them.
In answer to the question I'd say c) but others will doubtless disagree which is their prerogative.
I genuinely agonised about this but my seats are in demand even in league 1, something which the good Airman has acknowledged elsewhere.
I too would be boycotting if I sat in a less populated area of the ground.
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It's an entirely personal decision, there's no right and wrong here, as it's not as if renewing or not renewing would guarantee a particular outcome
I agonised about renewing, but in the end decided that by not renewing for the time being, the message being sent was more important than the risk of losing my seat
I also felt that the risk was pretty low, it's hard to imagine loads of new people buying season tickets at the moment or moving to different seats (other than Lower North) as most people are renewing to guarantee their existing seat
I'd be staggered if the £25 discount (which wasn't a major consideration for me anyway) wasn't brought back in some form anyway once relegation is confirmed.3 -
I think you'll find come August @LenGlover that your area will prove much less populated than you expect, if nothing changes0
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You'll be able to have a lie down, stretch out a bit,AFKABartram said:I think you'll find come August @LenGlover that your area will prove much less populated than you expect, if nothing changes
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The way the pricing of the season tickets are in the East and West stands, why would you pay top whack, when you could buy one that's £200 cheaper and then move across to your old seat or one close by.
If the club want to use a stupid pricing structure, then pay less if you are adamant about going next season.
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Not renewing mine and son’s in West Upper, but speaking to someone on Saturday who is getting the over 65 rate although not 65 as they were allowed to keep the concession (when the club changed the rules) if they continued to maintain a ST. Kind of understand why someone would do that.1
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I am also in that category too.johnboy59 said:Not renewing mine and son’s in West Upper, but speaking to someone on Saturday who is getting the over 65 rate although not 65 as they were allowed to keep the concession (when the club changed the rules) if they continued to maintain a ST. Kind of understand why someone would do that.
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Maybe maybe not.AFKABartram said:I think you'll find come August @LenGlover that your area will prove much less populated than you expect, if nothing changes
However all bar one in my immediate vicinity have said that they are renewing for much the same reasons as me.
A totally unscientific sample I accept!1 -
I have also lost the concession by not renewing but to be honest it has not influenced my decision. I imagine I am not alone. Would be interesting to know how many of us fall into this category and if it was a deciding factor in renewal/non-renewal. I will be eligible again 2018 season. Any prediction in what league we will be in then?johnboy59 said:Not renewing mine and son’s in West Upper, but speaking to someone on Saturday who is getting the over 65 rate although not 65 as they were allowed to keep the concession (when the club changed the rules) if they continued to maintain a ST. Kind of understand why someone would do that.
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Just a thought, for all those buying early season tickets, where does the money go if (oh yes please) RD sells up before the summer?0
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Will no one buying ST's put off potential buyers?
Genuine question.0 -
It's hardly a secret that a lot of people aren't renewing because of the owner, rather than because of the prospect of L1 football.Dazzler21 said:Will no one buying ST's put off potential buyers?
Genuine question.
Besides, I'd imagine anyone buying us would be aiming for immediate promotion anyway0 -
I am also in the same boat although I am not sure if the concession would not kick in if I renewed at a later date. Perhaps the Trust could find out the numbers?cherryorchard said:
I have also lost the concession by not renewing but to be honest it has not influenced my decision. I imagine I am not alone. Would be interesting to know how many of us fall into this category and if it was a deciding factor in renewal/non-renewal. I will be eligible again 2018 season. Any prediction in what league we will be in then?johnboy59 said:Not renewing mine and son’s in West Upper, but speaking to someone on Saturday who is getting the over 65 rate although not 65 as they were allowed to keep the concession (when the club changed the rules) if they continued to maintain a ST. Kind of understand why someone would do that.
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A two minute search online would show any potential new owners why so many are not renewing.Dazzler21 said:Will no one buying ST's put off potential buyers?
Genuine question.1 -
I have read that anybody that buys a season ticket under the new regime will get a £50 reduction.......Essex_Al said:
Not a worry mate, If RD goes then all those coming back will more than make up for it!ross1 said:Just a thought, for all those buying early season tickets, where does the money go if (oh yes please) RD sells up before the summer?
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As far as I can see there has been no press release today advertising season tickets at the post early bird rate.
I wonder why?
Perhaps they are considering extending it? Perhaps sales have been so poor and they know that people aren't renewing that they can't be bothered?0 -
Perhaps they have been so busy, with the high numbers of season ticket applications, they are still processing them?Ross said:As far as I can see there has been no press release today advertising season tickets at the post early bird rate.
I wonder why?
Perhaps they are considering extending it? Perhaps sales have been so poor and they know that people aren't renewing that they can't be bothered?
Perhaps not.
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