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  • Nug
    Nug Posts: 4,623
    Do we really want to meet with these 2 who have shown nothing but disdain for the fans.

    https://youtu.be/f82cI0cVNVY
  • lancashire lad
    lancashire lad Posts: 15,626
    meet them

    insist that the meeting is recorded and will be made available to supporters.

    list all the untrue statements made by the SMT and ask why they should now be believed

    tell them the result of your survey that I expect says that the majority want RD out.

    any further meeting will have to be with RD as he is the decision maker.
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,565
    Yes, but only to tell them to eff off. Take PV with you.
  • RodneyCharltonTrotta
    RodneyCharltonTrotta Posts: 14,827
    edited April 2016
    CAST: "We're here to tell you to sell up and leave the club asap"

    Meire: "We know, we read Charlton Life and are aware of the message from the past 6 months of protest"

    CAST: "Well?"

    Meire: "We're not going anywhere. We're bringing a different kind of success that is unique"

    CAST: "Muzza?"

    Murray: "What she said. Give them time. They're the best thing for the club".

    CAST: Hmmmpfff. That's all the agenda items. Any other business?...

  • SDAddick
    SDAddick Posts: 14,467
    edited April 2016
    http://www.castrust.org/2016/04/urgent-question-cas-trust/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

    Here is a link to the explanation and survey by the trust (OP, might be good to put this in the first post).

    The three options for the meeting are "No," "Yes and listen to what they say and report back," and "Yes and tell them to sell."

    I voted for Yes and tell them to sell. I fear that this leadership team will not get it until it's put bluntly to them. Also, in the meeting will be Richard Murray, a man who is allegedly part of a takeover vehicle. It should be made clear to him that he is considered as much a part of the problem as anyone else.

    I think not meeting would be used against CAST in the press. During the meeting CAST can declare that they no longer consider this regime to be worthy stewards of the club, and plan to boycott all future meetings. Meeting with them once does not sign them up to anything in the future. But now could be our only chance to tell them face to face that we will accept nothing short of them going.
  • alangee
    alangee Posts: 398
    SDAddick said:

    http://www.castrust.org/2016/04/urgent-question-cas-trust/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

    Here is a link to the explanation and survey by the trust (OP, might be good to put this in the first post).

    The three options for the meeting are "No," "Yes and listen to what they say and report back," and "Yes and tell them to sell."

    I voted for Yes and tell them to sell. I fear that this leadership team will not get it until it's put bluntly to them. Also, in the meeting will be Richard Murray, a man who is allegedly part of a takeover vehicle. It should be made clear to him that he is considered as much a part of the problem as anyone else.

    I think not meeting would be used against CAST in the press. During the meeting CAST can declare that they no longer consider this regime to be worthy stewards of the club, and plan to boycott all future meetings. Meeting with them once does not sign them up to anything in the future. But now could be our only chance to tell them face to face that we will accept nothing short of them going.

    This. Especially telling Richard Murray that he is part of the problem, and is not welcome in any position at CAFC, now, or in the future.
  • mogodon
    mogodon Posts: 3,406
    Clearly no more than a bid to divide opposition and also enable them to tell the media they have met with fans.

    Neither of them tells the truth, and no meeting with them has made a scrap of difference. No point in playing their game, especially as our aim is for them to go, and go soon.
  • Bubble
    Bubble Posts: 1,541
    Don't give them the morale high ground.

    Turn up and tell them to jam it
  • LuckyReds
    LuckyReds Posts: 5,866
    Nug said:

    Do we really want to meet with these 2 who have shown nothing but disdain for the fans.

    https://youtu.be/f82cI0cVNVY

    Fucking message board things.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,624
    PR own goal for CAST if they refuse to meet. Ammunition for Meire to use in that they tried to talk but fans are unreasonable. You won't hear that ovatures for dialogue has been rebutted for two years by the regime.

    Tell them that the fans want them gone and it will remain an unmanageable club until they depart.
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  • _MrDick
    _MrDick Posts: 13,108
    9 9 9 .... Says Patrick Bauer
  • CAFC_Gnome
    CAFC_Gnome Posts: 34
    Option 2. Not turning up is what they are hoping. But get the message across that there will be no discussion with KM and RM. The only way forward for CAFC is RD selling.
  • LoOkOuT
    LoOkOuT Posts: 10,857
    ShootersHillGuru said:

    PR own goal for CAST if they refuse to meet. Ammunition for Meire to use in that they tried to talk but fans are unreasonable. You won't hear that ovatures for dialogue has been rebutted for two years by the regime.

    Tell them that the fans want them gone and it will remain an unmanageable club until they depart.

    I understand your position. I was between the two options ("No" and "yes, tell them to sell"), but ultimately voted "No".

    CARD has already drawn the line: there is no way back for Roland.

    They want to split the coalition by being seen to open communication. They want to appeal to the less militant aspects of the supporter base and want to use CAST to do so. In my opinion, it would be a mistake to engage now, on their terms.

    Through CARD we've built up a tremendous international media profile for the fight to get rid of Duchatelet. We're winning the PR battle convincingly. Goodwill for the protests is widespread, practically unanimous, which will be further proved today.

    We shouldn't relent. We have every opportunity to hit them when they attempt to gain the moral high ground by claiming that the Trust refused to meet. It will give us an opportunity to underline the evidence over the past two years, including the Varney saga. We have tried to engage; we and others were rebuffed because of their arrogance. They've had enough rope now and have hanged themselves. There is nothing to talk about now.

    If I was their PR consultant, I would not have advised them down this road. It's a mistake. They are in no position to defend themselves and will only provide more opportunity for CARD PR to embarrass them. To bring the facts into even more focus.

    We don't need a meeting to tell them the supporters want them gone. We've done that and will continue to do so. We'll continue to do so in public.

    There is more coming.
  • LoOkOuT
    LoOkOuT Posts: 10,857
    edited April 2016
    I should add two things:

    1. To be clear, I'm obviously not speaking for CARD, nor the Trust, but that is the position I take and will argue for as a member of each.

    2. If they want to meet, they know exactly where to find us. We'll be marching at The Valley today, from 2:15. We'll be outside the West Stand after the match. If you've got something to say, Katrien, why not address your customers then?
  • happyvalley
    happyvalley Posts: 8,996
    Meet with them get our points across, then walk out stating it useless you replying because all you spout is lies.
  • SomervilleAddick
    SomervilleAddick Posts: 3,575
    I voted the second option. I don't see how it helps us to ignore the overtures. I don't thnink anything will come of it. Unless they have very specific plans to present, I'm not sure what they want to achieve. I doubt it's to tell us they've sold. Any change is attitude from the fans would only occur based on action by the club, not the promise of action.

    Those who are worried they are trying to divide us, that may be true, but I have faith that our representatives will also see that.

    I would prefer that they produced an agenda in advance, together with their attendee list, and they have to agree that none of this is off the record. The trust must be allowed to produce their report on the event with any approval from them.
  • valleyrobin
    valleyrobin Posts: 203
    Can't you take Peter Varney along as well?
  • NornIrishAddick
    NornIrishAddick Posts: 9,623
    Agree to meet, centre circle at the end of the Burnley match, and linked to the PA system.
  • Exiled_Addick
    Exiled_Addick Posts: 17,169
    _MrDick said:

    9 9 9 .... Says Patrick Bauer

    Jesus, is he injured again?
  • RodneyCharltonTrotta
    RodneyCharltonTrotta Posts: 14,827
    Exiled_Addick said:

    _MrDick said:

    9 9 9 .... Says Patrick Bauer

    Jesus, is he injured again?
    Jesus never signed a perm deal mate. Got crucified by the boo boys.
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  • NornIrishAddick
    NornIrishAddick Posts: 9,623
    RodneyCharltonTrotta said:

    Exiled_Addick said:

    _MrDick said:

    9 9 9 .... Says Patrick Bauer

    Jesus, is he injured again?
    Jesus never signed a perm deal mate. Got crucified by the boo boys.
    I hear he does a tremendous Terry Butcher impression, though.
  • Dippenhall
    Dippenhall Posts: 3,919
    There was a majority at one stage seeking dialogue, including me. They thought we were not worth their time and had no relevance to their agenda.

    The tables are turned, they are not worth our time and the only thing now on our agenda is the timescale for their departure.
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,846
    It's a no from me. We can't believe a word they say, and they know what we want - so no point whatsoever.
  • DRAddick
    DRAddick Posts: 3,588
    Have to meet otherwise it gives them ammunition. But confirm who will be attending in advance so km doen't load up with as much staff as possible, and set a plan for the talks so whe doesn't do her norm and dictate and control.
    The fact it's such short notice is already a sign that they are tying to gain an advantage and it is just an exercise for later publicity or excuses.
  • man_at_milletts
    man_at_milletts Posts: 5,620
    kentred2 said:

    Trust asking members to vote on whether they should meet with Miere and Murray next week. Only no option says no at this time.
    I know a lot of you buy into the two pronged attack of protest and dialogue but is now really the right time! Especially with Murray there.

    Too short notice. Push them back on the date and time and get an agenda and list of club attendees up front. We know how they stage manage these affairs.

    That's my view anyway.
  • WestCountryAddick
    WestCountryAddick Posts: 2,545
    I voted yes and tell them to sell. They have lied consistently since the takeover and cannot be trusted. The only reason they now want dialogue is because they have been backed into a corner.
  • WestCountryAddick
    WestCountryAddick Posts: 2,545
    SDAddick said:

    http://www.castrust.org/2016/04/urgent-question-cas-trust/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

    Here is a link to the explanation and survey by the trust (OP, might be good to put this in the first post).

    The three options for the meeting are "No," "Yes and listen to what they say and report back," and "Yes and tell them to sell."

    I voted for Yes and tell them to sell. I fear that this leadership team will not get it until it's put bluntly to them. Also, in the meeting will be Richard Murray, a man who is allegedly part of a takeover vehicle. It should be made clear to him that he is considered as much a part of the problem as anyone else.

    I think not meeting would be used against CAST in the press. During the meeting CAST can declare that they no longer consider this regime to be worthy stewards of the club, and plan to boycott all future meetings. Meeting with them once does not sign them up to anything in the future. But now could be our only chance to tell them face to face that we will accept nothing short of them going.

    Sums up my thoughts also.
  • stilladdicted
    stilladdicted Posts: 4,307
    Never turn down an opportunity for 'dialogue'. They don't give a ***** about it, but don't give them the chance to blame supporters for lack of dialogue.
  • Kap10
    Kap10 Posts: 15,572
    se9addick said:

    Has to be;

    "meet with RM & KM in order to recommend, face to face, that the current regime should seek a buyer for the club."

    Turn it down and risk losing some of the moral high ground we've built up, turn up and listen to them is tantamount to indulgence. Meet them and repeat the message that will ring out from the stands today - "get out of our club".

    This.

  • JohnnyH2
    JohnnyH2 Posts: 5,344
    Voted for them to meet and to tell them to sell.

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