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The final nail in the coffin! (BELGIAN PROTEST)
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Joe, you're not listening - Neil and I have said we wont organise another one - because it takes too much out of my life - its a heck of a lot of work to plan and organise all this - as you would know.Addickted2TheReds said:Yourself and Neil have said they're not going to organise another one - why?
Also, if you are wanting them to be more high profile why would you not help that happen.
I don't get it.
I havnt said i wouldnt go on one again - but cant spend the time and effort and stress of planning it.0 -
Its not about recognition ! - its about raising the profile to get the next 'generation' of protesters want to do it next time- coz we cant keep on relying on the same old 20 to come along every time - regardless of how good the weekend actually is !.Addickted2TheReds said:So people will be less likely to go because they weren't recognised for it?
They wouldn't want to go again because they did a great thing and have helped the fight against the regime while also having a good time?
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To respond to your point about "I want to get involved in this and go the next time" - we smashed the media last time and didn't have an increase in the amount of people who went?C4FC4L1f3 said:perhaps we can take that offline Joe. i also gave my reasons, which i think are valid.
I just don't think there is as much interest in this as you think. It's not because CARD didn't put it in a statement that it didn't make the media FFS.0 -
Is that really katriens house? Looks like a run down pub, don't think Roland's paying her enough...
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her house is on the sunday threadsadiejane1981 said:Is that really katriens house? Looks like a run down pub, don't think Roland's paying her enough...
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We do love a public barney amongst ourselves, don't we?5
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Bloody hell, chill out lads.0
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Wow - think I'll leave it there.C4FC4L1f3 said:
Well then it wont happen again in that caseAddickted2TheReds said:
To respond to your point about "I want to get involved in this and go the next time" - we smashed the media last time and didn't have an increase in the amount of people who went?C4FC4L1f3 said:perhaps we can take that offline Joe. i also gave my reasons, which i think are valid.
I just don't think there is as much interest in this as you think. It's not because CARD didn't put it in a statement that it didn't make the media FFS.
We made the interest - and that is gone now.
Sleep easy Roland - Charlton fans aren't interested in protesting in Belgium and CARD dont want to go there.
I'm shocked by this to be honest! Beach balls and gimmicks wont do it Joe you know that!0 -
This ones got potential for the Argument Alert... Don't let it fizzle out, lads!2
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I don't think I can afford the money or time needed for this, but I'm happy to throw a few quid in the Belgian front fund to help with material or to sub the fares.0
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For fucks sake everyone, this is embarrassing for all concerned and just denigrates what was achieved on the weekend.
Set up a group and argue if needs be, a public argument is exactly what the club would like to see.10 -
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Well, I'm going to say a big thank you to the lads for organising both trips.
Remember, they have paid for everything out of their own pockets.
And no doubt that's made a big dent in their personal funds.
Many are not in a position to do that ...... but perhaps there are others who are able to find the money and time, willing to take a turn for another trip?
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Getting coverage of this in Belgium is more important than coverage in the UK, and apparently that was achieved right? I imagine it didn't get the same pick up in the UK this time as it wasn't something new. But the goal of the exercise, pissing off Roland and showing him up in Belgium, looks to have been another great success. Well done to all who went.7
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I do agree.Oggy Red said:Well, I'm going to say a big thank you to the lads for organising both trips.
Remember, they have paid for everything out of their own pockets.
And no doubt that's made a big dent in their personal funds.
Many are not in a position to do that ...... but perhaps there are others who are able to find the money and time, willing to take a turn for another trip?
What they've done is sensational.5 -
I know Katrien has lost a bit of weight but that coffin is taking the piss.C4FC4L1f3 said:photos of saturday
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Out of interest, are the STTV fans going to take up protesting against Duchatelet after the Charlton visits? Is there sufficient discontent for the Charlton contagion to spread throughout his network?
From what I've read, the impression I get is that they don't like him at all but seem resigned to their fate.1 -
Protest fund paid for Leaflets - posters - Outfits - coffin - and some other sundries
I was also asked to point out it was the PROTEST FUND not CARD they dont own the fund.
There was also other fans who donated cash direct to us! That was put towards paying for the group hotel room bill over there. And one supporter paid for the total cost of another supporter.6 -
Joe,
It does appear to me that you are getting the wrong end of the stick.
You have given good reasons why the media in this country has not shown the same amount of interest in the Belgian trip as last time. It was always going to be that way as repeats rarely garner the same level of interest. This is a problem that CARD are going to face in the very near future from the national and even the local media. Attendances at after match protests have been dropping.
I do believe that although a relatively small number have taken part in the Belgian protests they deliver " more bangs for the buck" than the domestic protests. We know that we annoyed Roland on the first trip and I can' t imagine he is going to be too delighted that his own apartment was targeted this time. Katrien's house was visited and her neighbours received leaflets explaining that their high flying neighbour was actually a lying incompetent. All of this was in addition to raising a large banner low down in the stand facing the TV cameras at a game going out live in Belgium. Links were made with STVV supporters, many of whom clapped us in the street and the jeering of the stewards when we were ejected from ground could be heard in the road outside the stadium.
The overall cost of this was tiny compared with what was spent at the valley but quite expensive both in money and time for the individuals concerned. As Stu and Neil have explained we need some other reliable people to join in if this pressure is to be maintained and hopefully increased. Neil was not saying that he would not do it again if he didn't get publicity but as a soon to be father he will need to take more of a back seat. Stu was the main organiser this time but he has his own business to run. We had some new people this time and they brought their talents with them, including getting through to appear on 606 on Saturday night. Publicity is key in regard to the protests and getting more people to help. We are not seeking any personal kudos but help in turning the screw on Roland. This is where we feel that CARD could help us most as they clearly have more and better contacts than we have.
It was unfortunate that the Belgian protests had to be on the same day as the Brighton game but with the season running out that couldn't be helped.
As you well know the two groups are not mutually exclusive and we both want the same outcome. Most of us help out with CARD organised protests on normal match days. What we are saying is, if you can help us, please do.
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I think the two Belgium trips have been superb.
Well done all.
I'll leave it at that because it isn't worth arguing over.9 -
Joe, i dont think we are arguing about it - we are just trying to put our points over - they are not that far apart tbh - ultimate goal for both is obviously to get shot of RD- just a slightly different view in terms of how we get there - its healthy - believe me !
Well said Andy Mametz. Knew we could rely on a civil servant to put it clearly and concisely .
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Sorry, meant to quote olster's post before that. I'm sure the fund would want it pointed out also.iainment said:0 -
Joined the club then after me and the other person.....you still put on a show WELL DONE.The_President said:
Now, the only problem with this photo we discovered after the event is that the photographer actually works for STVV - therefore they have the perfect mugshot of all of us,even smiling, probably banned for life from entering STVV's ground !Henry Irving said:
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