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  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,670
    Essex_Al said:

    I'd love to see him come based on what I have just read here. The b side is I cannot see why he would leave Northampton in the first place, and moreover, can't imagine him wanting to work for a football moron like Dushitalet or a pathological liar like Katrien. RD needs to learn that while he may have money, his tightfistedness and 'hands on' ownership mean most managers would steer clear. Tell him to ask Riga about life under Roland.

    Ken, putting aside the regime for a second, the B side is that any manager wanting to progress through the ranks would find Charlton a very attractive proposition as opposed to Northampton!
    Under any normal circumstances yes. Any manager in the bracket you mention would also know that in order to progress their career a degree of success would be required.

    I really do think most would think twice before agreeing to no player recruitment input. That's the problem and why people like Wilder will tell us to do one.

    I think Meire and Duchatelet are going to be surprised just how hard recruiting a Brit might be.

  • Essex_Al
    Essex_Al Posts: 3,590
    Unless they really are going to change their ways, I agree wholeheartedly SHG.
  • Paddy Powell
    Paddy Powell Posts: 2,855
    I will have serious doubts about any manager that takes the Charlton job under this regime.

    They'd have to be desperate, stupid or an RD puppet/yes man (or a combination of the three).

    Depressing.
  • Gillis
    Gillis Posts: 998

    I will have serious doubts about any manager that takes the Charlton job under this regime.

    They'd have to be desperate, stupid or an RD puppet/yes man (or a combination of the three).

    Depressing.

    Or over-promoted to the extent that the job becomes just too good an opportunity to turn down.
  • Paddy Powell
    Paddy Powell Posts: 2,855
    Gillis said:

    I will have serious doubts about any manager that takes the Charlton job under this regime.

    They'd have to be desperate, stupid or an RD puppet/yes man (or a combination of the three).

    Depressing.

    Or over-promoted to the extent that the job becomes just too good an opportunity to turn down.
    Yep. Equally depressing.
  • ken_shabby
    ken_shabby Posts: 6,314
    edited May 2016
    Essex_Al said:

    I'd love to see him come based on what I have just read here. The b side is I cannot see why he would leave Northampton in the first place, and moreover, can't imagine him wanting to work for a football moron like Dushitalet or a pathological liar like Katrien. RD needs to learn that while he may have money, his tightfistedness and 'hands on' ownership mean most managers would steer clear. Tell him to ask Riga about life under Roland.

    Ken, putting aside the regime for a second, the B side is that any manager wanting to progress through the ranks would find Charlton a very attractive proposition as opposed to Northampton!
    Yes, but you can't put the regime aside. They are there, and their modus operandi is 180° away from what we are hearing about CW. Lennie Lawrence and Jose Riga have both walked away, presumably because they couldn"t get the non interference guarantees they wanted.
  • cafc_harry
    cafc_harry Posts: 3,366
    Got a feeling that Roland's going to really have a go at getting back up next season. Even if it means going against what he's done so far. Unless he plans to run the club in to the ground he has no choice. Please don't resurrect this comment in a years time because I'm probably completely wrong. But without any inside knowledge I'm quietly optimistic.
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,337
    Roland realistically has two choices. Sell the club or change the way he runs it.

    If he appointed someone like Chris and let him run things he could get out of league 1. If that was what he offered then I would have thought we stood a good chance of getting him.

    Will Roland be realistic though? Probably not.

  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600

    Got a feeling that Roland's going to really have a go at getting back up next season. Even if it means going against what he's done so far. Unless he plans to run the club in to the ground he has no choice. Please don't resurrect this comment in a years time because I'm probably completely wrong. But without any inside knowledge I'm quietly optimistic.

    if only he had taken that approach at some point in last 2 years.
  • cafc_harry
    cafc_harry Posts: 3,366

    Got a feeling that Roland's going to really have a go at getting back up next season. Even if it means going against what he's done so far. Unless he plans to run the club in to the ground he has no choice. Please don't resurrect this comment in a years time because I'm probably completely wrong. But without any inside knowledge I'm quietly optimistic.

    if only he had taken that approach at some point in last 2 years.
    I'm honestly starting to think that was simply out of stupidity and naivety, but at this point I think it's almost impossible for him to carry on as he does. I'm still set on the need for a takeover myself, it'll take a hell of a lot for him to win back the fans at all especially with Katrien and RM in the building. If he's as smart as his business portfolio seems to show he just has to get rid of them both and try and get as much value as possible on to the club while getting us back up to the championship.
    All of this is coming from assuming he would've learnt from his mistakes by now, as they've said they have a few times over the past 2 years. I just hope he has the pride to sell up when it's looking down or to have the balls to completely change it up. I'm sure the protests have helped shape his opinion a bit. We can only hope he'll finally listen and realise.

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  • BigRedEvil
    BigRedEvil Posts: 11,124
    Roland doesn't do failure remember so I think we'll at least be near the top next season if he doesn't sell up.

    Next few weeks will be interesting. We lack in so many senior positions if we don't see any action I'll take it as a sign he's considering selling up
  • Redrobo said:

    Roland realistically has two choices. Sell the club or change the way he runs it.

    If he appointed someone like Chris and let him run things he could get out of league 1. If that was what he offered then I would have thought we stood a good chance of getting him.

    Will Roland be realistic though? Probably not.

    I think Riga's resignation tells us all we need to know. If Roland was about to change his ways and let a manager manage without interference, I'm quite sure Riga would have stayed.
  • Exiled_Addick
    Exiled_Addick Posts: 17,230
    edited May 2016

    Got a feeling that Roland's going to really have a go at getting back up next season. Even if it means going against what he's done so far. Unless he plans to run the club in to the ground he has no choice. Please don't resurrect this comment in a years time because I'm probably completely wrong. But without any inside knowledge I'm quietly optimistic.

    Trouble is, even if he has privately vowed to throw the kitchen sink at it next season, we have no head coach, no head scout, mostly young coaches who have been working primarily in youth team football, and no one in senior management at the club with any more football qualifications than those of a fan.

    We are wholly unequiped to operate effectively in the transfer market this summer in the way we need to.

    I'm sure Roland's laptop scouts are still lurking in the background somewhere, but they very much have been the problem up to now because Roland has spent decent money on dross identified by them. No real reason to expect that will change unless the entire approach to scouting changes, and there is no evidence that will happen because we don't even have a proper scout.

    I admire your blind hope and optimism - it's the way football fans are supposed to feel in a close season, but don't let it blinker you to what is really going at the club. Don't set yourself up to be let down by these charlatans again.
  • Got a feeling that Roland's going to really have a go at getting back up next season. Even if it means going against what he's done so far. Unless he plans to run the club in to the ground he has no choice. Please don't resurrect this comment in a years time because I'm probably completely wrong. But without any inside knowledge I'm quietly optimistic.

    Trouble is, even if he has privately vowed to throw the kitchen sink at it next season, we have no head coach, no head scout, mostly young coaches who have been working primarily in youth team football, and no one in senior management at the club with any more football qualifications than those of a fan.

    We are wholly unequiped to operate effectively, in the transfer market this summer in the way we need to.

    I'm sure Roland's laptop scouts are still lurking in the background somewhere, but they very much have been the problem up to now because Roland has spent decent money on dross identified by them. No real reason to expect that will change unless the entire approach to scouting changes, and there is no evidence that will happen because we don't even have a proper scout.

    I admire your blind hope and optimism - it's the way football fans are supposed to feel in a close season, but don't let it blinker you to what is really going at the club. Don't set yourself up to be let down by these charlatans again.
    You mean, up shit creek without a paddle!
  • Exiled_Addick
    Exiled_Addick Posts: 17,230

    Got a feeling that Roland's going to really have a go at getting back up next season. Even if it means going against what he's done so far. Unless he plans to run the club in to the ground he has no choice. Please don't resurrect this comment in a years time because I'm probably completely wrong. But without any inside knowledge I'm quietly optimistic.

    Trouble is, even if he has privately vowed to throw the kitchen sink at it next season, we have no head coach, no head scout, mostly young coaches who have been working primarily in youth team football, and no one in senior management at the club with any more football qualifications than those of a fan.

    We are wholly unequiped to operate effectively, in the transfer market this summer in the way we need to.

    I'm sure Roland's laptop scouts are still lurking in the background somewhere, but they very much have been the problem up to now because Roland has spent decent money on dross identified by them. No real reason to expect that will change unless the entire approach to scouting changes, and there is no evidence that will happen because we don't even have a proper scout.

    I admire your blind hope and optimism - it's the way football fans are supposed to feel in a close season, but don't let it blinker you to what is really going at the club. Don't set yourself up to be let down by these charlatans again.
    You mean, up shit creek without a paddle!
    Maybe not no paddle, but perhaps a paddle that is a sieve and totally unfit for purpose b
  • Tunwellsaddick
    Tunwellsaddick Posts: 2,462
    edited May 2016
    I think the regime will think sufficient time has now elapsed to offer Jose Riga his third appointment with a new improved 2 year contract. Storm in a teacup.
  • cafcnick1992
    cafcnick1992 Posts: 7,502
    Oh no, look who has creeped up as second favourite on skybet!!

    Nobby Vinegar!! 13/2
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,911
    Can someone post a link? I can only find old web pages with odds after Luzon left
  • CyrilDavies
    CyrilDavies Posts: 855
    seth plum said:

    Apparently Roland lost interest half way through his talks with Lennie when he realised Lennie's expectations and demands. I believe Wilder and Lennie know each other, and reading about him here I simply cannot see him pitching up at Charlton without either a massive change in his approach, or for him to be taken in by Latrine Merde's lies.

    Was Lennon the one that signed him on loan, during our Selhurst days?.

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  • CyrilDavies
    CyrilDavies Posts: 855

    seth plum said:

    Apparently Roland lost interest half way through his talks with Lennie when he realised Lennie's expectations and demands. I believe Wilder and Lennie know each other, and reading about him here I simply cannot see him pitching up at Charlton without either a massive change in his approach, or for him to be taken in by Latrine Merde's lies.

    Was Lennon the one that signed him on loan, during our Selhurst days?.
    Sorry Lennie
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    edited May 2016
    Rob7Lee said:
    Curbs won't be happy not being 16/1.

    I think Cotterill could be a good shout. Got Bristol City promoted from league 1. Not saying I want him, but kind of fits the bill.
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,337

    Redrobo said:

    Roland realistically has two choices. Sell the club or change the way he runs it.

    If he appointed someone like Chris and let him run things he could get out of league 1. If that was what he offered then I would have thought we stood a good chance of getting him.

    Will Roland be realistic though? Probably not.

    I think Riga's resignation tells us all we need to know. If Roland was about to change his ways and let a manager manage without interference, I'm quite sure Riga would have stayed.
    Point taken, but it would be sensible to start a complete change in direction with a British manager as he will need to convince us he is serious.

    Maybe he knew that Riga would leave without a formal undertaking and saved himself a bob or two.

    We need to get on with an appointment ASAP. If it is this bloke we should hear this week.
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    Wilder is 8-1 on ! Bookies dont often get it wrong - though Nobby seems to be the best bet.
  • Exiled_Addick
    Exiled_Addick Posts: 17,230

    Wilder is 8-1 on ! Bookies dont often get it wrong - though Nobby seems to be the best bet.

    The Wilder interest is a public secret. Bookies just covering their arses by keeping the odds hood and short.

  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600

    seth plum said:

    Apparently Roland lost interest half way through his talks with Lennie when he realised Lennie's expectations and demands. I believe Wilder and Lennie know each other, and reading about him here I simply cannot see him pitching up at Charlton without either a massive change in his approach, or for him to be taken in by Latrine Merde's lies.

    Was Lennon the one that signed him on loan, during our Selhurst days?.
    Sorry Lennie
    LL signed him in the Selhurst years and Curbishley and Gritt signed him a year or so later as well.
  • NTFC
    NTFC Posts: 6
    Talk sport have pretty much said its done and dusted! :(
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,438

    Wilder is 8-1 on ! Bookies dont often get it wrong - though Nobby seems to be the best bet.

    Err Leicester?

    Bookies odd follow the money.

  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    NTFC said:

    Talk sport have pretty much said its done and dusted! :(

    I hope not for Wilder's sake. He would have had to have taken some pretty strong drugs to agree to managing us. He's much better off biding his time and getting a more stable gig. Never thought I'd say this but if I was manager and had the chance of managing them or Charlton, then I'd stay exactly where I was (no disrespect to the cobblers)
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,670
    NTFC said:

    Talk sport have pretty much said its done and dusted! :(

    It would take a monumental shift in Charltons policy for this to happen. Our Owner is a visionary. A change of this magnitude would be an admission of failure. Still think it won't happen.