The 20 foot fence
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It's not the same without the minefield and machine-gun festooned watch towers, though I am impressed that they managed the vicious, snarlingcafcnick1992 said:I thought the 20ft wall might have resinated well with Charlton fans given the socialist nonsense we hear on here sometimes.
guard dogsblue vest stewards...
Though, I have to admit confusion about resinating a wall, a wine I may, sort of, understand, but retsina is vile IMHO.3 -
Resonated Greek wine? Yuk!0
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That is so realistic and pertinent an analogy that I have no answer to it.letthegoodtimesroll said:.
If it was the cinema and they had put up a net between you and the screen I guess you'd be the one telling all the other patrons to shush as it's not a problem;Redskin said:
A bit of netting goes up and you wet yourselves.
Get a fucking grip.
And if a fire broke out behind you and the only way out was to wait for an usherette to come along and cut the netting down you'd be the one telling everybody to get a fucking grip
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It's an extreme example but there's a point underpinning it. In what other situation would the putting up of netting like that in front of (one targeted group of) paying customers be acceptable? Would it be okay to do it at a gig without making it clear in advance? A tennis, cricket or rugby match?Redskin said:
That is so realistic and pertinent an analogy that I have no answer to it.letthegoodtimesroll said:.
If it was the cinema and they had put up a net between you and the screen I guess you'd be the one telling all the other patrons to shush as it's not a problem;Redskin said:
A bit of netting goes up and you wet yourselves.
Get a fucking grip.
And if a fire broke out behind you and the only way out was to wait for an usherette to come along and cut the netting down you'd be the one telling everybody to get a fucking grip
We do not have a culture of sporting events taking place behind barriers like this...well maybe cage fighting I suppose.0 -
80s fences go up to stop people going on pitch -people die
2016 fence put up to stop people/missiles going on pitch-ok no one died but there is clearly some milage in making a comparison.0 -
It does not look like it is that easy to dismantle as it was still there tonight.0
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And how about the flares? Would they be enough to set it alight? Admittedly, yes, we shouldn't have been throwing them, but given they'd ended up on the pitch in previous matches, it was a known risk. I'd be interested to know if any risk assessment was done of one of them getting caught in the netting.Friend Or Defoe said:
i'm guessing it's HDPE which burns around 120°C. You can't achieve that with paper burning on concrete unless it was a dilberate arson attack. I could be wrong!ShootersHillGuru said:
I actually agree and think a lot of fuss is being made re the netting but " plastic doesn't catch fire ?????.Friend Or Defoe said:In the event of an emergency the net could get cut open, worth noting that plastic and concrete doesn't catch fire. The north lower was also sparsely populated and people got on the pitch anyway. Nets like that are common on the continent, it's common practise in German.
The comparisons to Hillsborough are ignorant and boarder line offensive.
Think again.0 -
Watched under 18 game still up, is this now going to be a permanent feature?0
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Next season the fence/netting comes down, ball hits a spectator.
People ask to see the safety certificate as someone got injured saying the club should have foreseen this and put up some netting.2 -
Given our likely attendances, it would be a one-in-a-million chance of any shot hitting a person rather than a bank of empty seats.iaitch said:Next season the fence/netting comes down, ball hits a spectator.
People ask to see the safety certificate as someone got injured saying the club should have foreseen this and put up some netting.4 -
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it's staying next season. Those £175.00 season tickets don't seem such good value now - if you brought one - that will teach you
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All alright saying people are being ott and exaggerating but what if someone threw a flare or shoe and it bounced off the net...the shoe laces could end up wrapping itself around the neck of someone in their 50s or even older causing them to choke on a werthers original and further soil themselves whilst fighting for breath. I for one see that as an affront to their dignity and a further example of the utter contempt this regime holds for our elderly supporters.
A ricocheting flare could rebound and soar skywards causing aeroplanes to plummet down on the valley and surrounding areas as distraught panic stricken addicks writhe around in the temporary fence like face painted dolphins in tuna nets.
Have they not seen Emerdale ffs!
Yet another illustration of how this hairbrained ownership doesn't think things through and continue to put our loved ones at risk whilst further eroding the great tradition and history of this magnificent club. C***s.
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It will interesting to see if the club takes the netting down. Such is the vindictiveness of the regime, I wouldn't be surprised if they left it in place for at least some of next season.ricky_otto said:it's staying next season. Those £175.00 season tickets don't seem such good value now - if you brought one - that will teach you
Something for CARD to pursue?
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But the pitch invasions will take place from the lower west stand next season, didn't they get the memo ?ricky_otto said:it's staying next season. Those £175.00 season tickets don't seem such good value now - if you brought one - that will teach you
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The link for me is that one of the key factors in why Hillsborough happened was the way in which the clubs and authorities had reacted to frequent crowd unrest, overfocusing on the problem to the degree that safety was a distant concern.
I don't think for a second that safety was ignored when the netting went up on Saturday - Mick Everett's too good at his job to have not prioritised that - but I do think the events around the game as a whole reveal the attitude within the club towards supporters is not so dissimilar to that prevailing when the pens were built at Hillsborough and all other grounds, including the Valley.
(And I exempt Mick from that because I'm quite sure without him things on Saturday would have been considerably worse).9 -
But would you be throwing your popcorn at the screen?letthegoodtimesroll said:.
If it was the cinema and they had put up a net between you and the screen I guess you'd be the one telling all the other patrons to shush as it's not a problem;Redskin said:
A bit of netting goes up and you wet yourselves.
Get a fucking grip.
And if a fire broke out behind you and the only way out was to wait for an usherette to come along and cut the netting down you'd be the one telling everybody to get a fucking grip1 -
cafcnick1992 said:
I thought the 20ft wall might have resinated well with Charlton fans given the socialist nonsense we hear on here sometimes.
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Not sure it was an immense H&S issue but the policing did echo the mindset of the authorities which allowed Hillsborough disaster occur.
The only instruction on Saturday to police and blue bib stewards was to keep Charlton protesters in the North stand off the pitch and protect the sofa at all costs.
Seems no instructions were given on what to do if Burnley got on the pitch or Seth's platoon deployed in the East stand got behind enemy lines.
Like Hillsborough, where the only instruction to police was to keep the fans apart and stop disorder, there was only one mindset in play at the Valley on Saturday, preventing Charlton protesters getting on the pitch. Someone forgot to tell them - during the game - afterwards it doesn't matter, and Burnley will probably mass on the pitch anyway.5 -
There are genuine issues around restricted views, and whether or not safety regulations were complied with, which the club should be made to answer for. Similarly with the heavy handed stewarding.
BUT any comparison to Hillsborough is, in my opinion, way OTT, embarrassing, borderline offensive in fact, and risks alienating the media and supporters of other clubs who have been so supportive of our cause so far.
Not usually an advocate of censorship, but I do wonder if this thread should be closed and/or members only - if the press gets hold of some of these comments it will do us no favours whatsoever.
Let's keep the moral high ground and not get carried away.0 -
Perhaps a fence should be put up in front of the south stand now that it's been proven the stewards and police are unable to stop thousands of away fans from running on to the pitchJodaius said:
alienating the media and supporters of other clubs who have been so supportive of our cause so far.
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And it's only a matter of time before somebody works out that if you tie a piece of string or black and white ribbon attached to a small weight to one of those Roland out balloons and throw it at the netting it's going to get tangled up in it and be stuck there for the whole game. Thousands of balloons stuck in the netting for the match will mean our view will be even more restricted.3
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The Hillsborough comparisons that I have heard made and I have made them myself are not so much about the actions of fencing in supporters but about the underlying attitudes that all football supporters are drunken yoiks and knuckle draggers who deserve to be treated with contempt.Jodaius said:There are genuine issues around restricted views, and whether or not safety regulations were complied with, which the club should be made to answer for. Similarly with the heavy handed stewarding.
BUT any comparison to Hillsborough is, in my opinion, way OTT, embarrassing, borderline offensive in fact, and risks alienating the media and supporters of other clubs who have been so supportive of our cause so far.
Not usually an advocate of censorship, but I do wonder if this thread should be closed and/or members only - if the press gets hold of some of these comments it will do us no favours whatsoever.
Let's keep the moral high ground and not get carried away.7 -
after some of the dross we've been subjected to this season that might not be a bad idea.letthegoodtimesroll said:And it's only a matter of time before somebody works out that if you tie a piece of string or black and white ribbon attached to a small weight to one of those Roland out balloons and throw it at the netting it's going to get tangled up in it and be stuck there for the whole game. Thousands of balloons stuck in the netting for the match will mean our view will be even more restricted.
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What's that Mr 860 LOLs?Friend Or Defoe said:cafcnick1992 said:I thought the 20ft wall might have resinated well with Charlton fans given the socialist nonsense we hear on here sometimes.
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Quite a contrast in views. I recall watching the Hillsborough tragedies unfold and the manner in which our club has responsed to latest events sent shivers down my spine. People may laugh, so be it, but ghosts hang over my memories, and watching the latest chaotic incompetence of the police and the tactics of the bully boys was unsettling to put it mildly.1
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That was one incident, never mind the thousands of games that occur across the globe from behind fencing (Italy are a great example) where unless I'm missing the reports no one dies.timken said:80s fences go up to stop people going on pitch -people die
2016 fence put up to stop people/missiles going on pitch-ok no one died but there is clearly some milage in making a comparison.0 -
866 and counting mother Effer!cafcnick1992 said:
What's that Mr 860 LOLs?Friend Or Defoe said:cafcnick1992 said:I thought the 20ft wall might have resinated well with Charlton fans given the socialist nonsense we hear on here sometimes.
Interesting which of your posts have lols! 2 -
We will all be grateful for a restricted view next season.1
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At the Olympics, they had netting at either end at the Hockey, presumably to protect the crowd from high shotsBournemouth Addick said:
It's an extreme example but there's a point underpinning it. In what other situation would the putting up of netting like that in front of (one targeted group of) paying customers be acceptable? Would it be okay to do it at a gig without making it clear in advance? A tennis, cricket or rugby match?Redskin said:
That is so realistic and pertinent an analogy that I have no answer to it.letthegoodtimesroll said:.
If it was the cinema and they had put up a net between you and the screen I guess you'd be the one telling all the other patrons to shush as it's not a problem;Redskin said:
A bit of netting goes up and you wet yourselves.
Get a fucking grip.
And if a fire broke out behind you and the only way out was to wait for an usherette to come along and cut the netting down you'd be the one telling everybody to get a fucking grip
We do not have a culture of sporting events taking place behind barriers like this...well maybe cage fighting I suppose.0 -
The chance of a ball hit a fan next season has to be very, very remote indeed.iaitch said:Next season the fence/netting comes down, ball hits a spectator.
People ask to see the safety certificate as someone got injured saying the club should have foreseen this and put up some netting.
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