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Leaving the EU-Football matters

TEL
TEL Posts: 10,100
in General Charlton
After emailing 583 fans interested in the Protest shirt, it left me the rest of the afternoon to think about the possible implications that leaving the EU will have on UK Football.

So, what are the implications for UK football?

Is it possible that future overseas players will possibly have to get a special visa to play for UK Clubs? Is this the end of the Premier league being dominated by overseas players.

Its certainly going to affect new visa applications with all the talk about adopting an Australian points system for future immigrants.....Sports here Australia is unaffected to a point as temporary visas are issued for "marquee" players. Will we adopt that system? How will the FA react to this and will this give UK players a better chance of rising to the top?

Will being out of the EU affect Duchatelet's involvement at Charlton or is that wishful thinking? It may certainly curtail his interest in importing inadequate overseas players....

Just some questions that Id be interested to find out the answers
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  • Algarveaddick
    Algarveaddick Posts: 21,154
    EU players will be subject to the same "rules" as non-EU players are now. The richest will still be able to sign the cream, and will continue to do so, so it won't make a jot of difference to the England team.

    Clubs like ours will have to rely on home grown talent, so I think you are right about us no longer being lumbered with second rate players from Roland's other clubs.
  • TEL
    TEL Posts: 10,100
    Algarveaddick said:

    EU players will be subject to the same "rules" as non-EU players are now. The richest will still be able to sign the cream, and will continue to do so, so it won't make a jot of difference to the England team.

    Clubs like ours will have to rely on home grown talent, so I think you are right about us no longer being lumbered with second rate players from Roland's other clubs.

    Well that will be a result then Perry.....how about Douchebags involvement...he must have had a angle when he purchased the club.
  • msomerton
    msomerton Posts: 2,972
    May be Roland Duchalet will sell up now, as his pan European plan will be scuppered by the UK not being part of European community.
  • bazjonster
    bazjonster Posts: 2,875
    TEL said:

    After emailing 583 fans interested in the Protest shirt, it left me the rest of the afternoon to think about the possible implications that leaving the EU will have on UK Football.

    So, what are the implications for UK football?

    Is it possible that future overseas players will possibly have to get a special visa to play for UK Clubs? Is this the end of the Premier league being dominated by overseas players.

    Its certainly going to affect new visa applications with all the talk about adopting an Australian points system for future immigrants.....Sports here Australia is unaffected to a point as temporary visas are issued for "marquee" players. Will we adopt that system? How will the FA react to this and will this give UK players a better chance of rising to the top?

    Will being out of the EU affect Duchatelet's involvement at Charlton or is that wishful thinking? It may certainly curtail his interest in importing inadequate overseas players....

    Just some questions that Id be interested to find out the answers

    Some of the players we've brought in over the past couple of years would need a really special visa!!
  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,118
    If we still sign up to the free movement of people, surely nothing will change?
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,222
    Or the owners of the PL clubs agree a deal with UEFA to allow footballers to move in the same way that they do now.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,318
    Certainly means that the Premier League can impose rules on how many EU-Players each club has now.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,222
    ForeverAddickted said:

    Certainly means that the Premier League can impose rules on how many EU-Players each club has now.

    And the Premier League owners will do whatever they want. Are Chelsea, Man City, any of them really going to limit the type of players they can buy? No, of course not.
  • adrian
    adrian Posts: 760
    There is a rule whereas only players with a number of caps for their country can get a work permit.
    If correct, a massive clear-out can be expected, but it will take time.
    If Douchebags still prefers Belgians, Hazard, Kompany, Mertens or Courtois all qualify
  • msomerton
    msomerton Posts: 2,972
    The PL will do a deal with the government to exempt it from new visa restrictions hen they come in about 3-5 years from now. No politician will want to offend 100,000`s of voters by undermining their clubs such as ManU, Arsenal, Liverpool etc.
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  • Salad
    Salad Posts: 10,189
    msomerton said:

    May be Roland Duchalet will sell up now, as his pan European plan will be scuppered by the UK not being part of European community.

    could play a part

  • Salad
    Salad Posts: 10,189
    ForeverAddickted said:

    Certainly means that the Premier League can impose rules on how many EU-Players each club has now.

    they should impose a limit on the number of players a club can loan out. I hate the fact we're talking about the Premier League deciding things, it should be the FA in charge.

  • cafcfan
    cafcfan Posts: 11,198
    Here's a scenario:

    1 The country enters a long and deep recession.
    2 In order to strive to make ends meet, vast numbers of people cancel their Sky subscriptions
    3 Sky no longer has the wherewithal to pay £bns to the Premier League.
    4 In an effort to cut costs, Sky drops the EFL coverage entirely. This is insufficient by itself however.
    5 Sky tries to renegotiate its deal with the Premier League. But they refuse to take a haircut because they are contracted to pay players millions they could not otherwise afford.
    6 BT offers much reduced terms to show Premier League matches.
    7 Sky wiggles out of the contract by putting itself into administration. Murdoch uses another of his enterprises to buy the rump of Sky off the administrators for peanuts. But they are only interested in the entertainment and movies channels.
    8 The Premier League and all its clubs go bust. The only exceptions are Arsenal (because of their in-built financial caution) and West Ham (who are shielded from the economic catastrophe because they are funded entirely by the taxpayer). Those two clubs are re-admitted to the EFL which has itself lost a large number of its members and has reorganised itself into a 20-team Championship with two 20-team feeder leagues dubbed Div One (South) and Div One (North). The feeder leagues have gone semi-professional.
  • Leeds_Addick
    Leeds_Addick Posts: 4,700
    They'll do whatever gives them the most money.
  • Covered_End_Lad
    Covered_End_Lad Posts: 5,725
    cafcfan said:

    Here's a scenario:

    1 The country enters a long and deep recession.
    2 In order to strive to make ends meet, vast numbers of people cancel their Sky subscriptions
    3 Sky no longer has the wherewithal to pay £bns to the Premier League.
    4 In an effort to cut costs, Sky drops the EFL coverage entirely. This is insufficient by itself however.
    5 Sky tries to renegotiate its deal with the Premier League. But they refuse to take a haircut because they are contracted to pay players millions they could not otherwise afford.
    6 BT offers much reduced terms to show Premier League matches.
    7 Sky wiggles out of the contract by putting itself into administration. Murdoch uses another of his enterprises to buy the rump of Sky off the administrators for peanuts. But they are only interested in the entertainment and movies channels.
    8 The Premier League and all its clubs go bust. The only exceptions are Arsenal (because of their in-built financial caution) and West Ham (who are shielded from the economic catastrophe because they are funded entirely by the taxpayer). Those two clubs are re-admitted to the EFL which has itself lost a large number of its members and has reorganised itself into a 20-team Championship with two 20-team feeder leagues dubbed Div One (South) and Div One (North). The feeder leagues have gone semi-professional.

    Corr i bet your household is a barrel of laughs ;)
  • sralan
    sralan Posts: 2,031
    Belgian CEOs will not be allowed and those already in that role will be escorted to the Eurostar !!!!!!:-))
  • msomerton
    msomerton Posts: 2,972
    cafcfan said:

    Here's a scenario:

    1 The country enters a long and deep recession.
    2 In order to strive to make ends meet, vast numbers of people cancel their Sky subscriptions
    3 Sky no longer has the wherewithal to pay £bns to the Premier League.
    4 In an effort to cut costs, Sky drops the EFL coverage entirely. This is insufficient by itself however.
    5 Sky tries to renegotiate its deal with the Premier League. But they refuse to take a haircut because they are contracted to pay players millions they could not otherwise afford.
    6 BT offers much reduced terms to show Premier League matches.
    7 Sky wiggles out of the contract by putting itself into administration. Murdoch uses another of his enterprises to buy the rump of Sky off the administrators for peanuts. But they are only interested in the entertainment and movies channels.
    8 The Premier League and all its clubs go bust. The only exceptions are Arsenal (because of their in-built financial caution) and West Ham (who are shielded from the economic catastrophe because they are funded entirely by the taxpayer). Those two clubs are re-admitted to the EFL which has itself lost a large number of its members and has reorganised itself into a 20-team Championship with two 20-team feeder leagues dubbed Div One (South) and Div One (North). The feeder leagues have gone semi-professional.

    Another way to see this cfcfan. Yes money flows out the PL and so player wages tumble, same happens in the lower leagues, the consequence is that ticket prices fall and more people go to football matches . As an escape from the relentless pressure of poverty, seeing children walking the streets without shoes people use football as escapism from your long recession.
  • Carl Leaburn
    Carl Leaburn Posts: 1,117
    Did we have to get a special work permit when we signed JBG? With Iceland being an non EU member state, I cannot recall us going through the waiting on the work permit coming through period. Apologies if we did as my memory not what it used to be :-)
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,013
    I assume we didn't have to wait long for a permit as he was an established international when we signed him
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,846
    adrian said:

    There is a rule whereas only players with a number of caps for their country can get a work permit.
    If correct, a massive clear-out can be expected, but it will take time.
    If Douchebags still prefers Belgians, Hazard, Kompany, Mertens or Courtois all qualify

    Which wouldn't affect the top clubs, as they'll either be signing the big stars with lots of caps, or such a talented youngster that the Home Office will agree that they can do a job a local player couldn't

    It'll massively affect the Football League though. Looking at our recent signings, someone like Teixeira would fail the criteria, though funnily Naby Sarr would probably pass them as with his international U20 appearances on paper he was a massively talented youngster...
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  • IA
    IA Posts: 6,103
    Carl Leaburn said:

    Did we have to get a special work permit when we signed JBG? With Iceland being an non EU member state, I cannot recall us going through the waiting on the work permit coming through period. Apologies if we did as my memory not what it used to be :-)

    Iceland is part of the free movement of people. While the UK remains a member of the EU, any of us can move to Reykjavik.


    Stu of Kunming has got it spot on in my opinion
    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    If we still sign up to the free movement of people, surely nothing will change?

    There is only the possibility of changing it if the UK leaves the free movement of people. What that would look like depends on the agreement that is reached with the EU.
  • Jdredsox
    Jdredsox Posts: 534
    On a related note:

    This will completely f up my Charlton saves on future football manager games! ;-)
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,222
    would a weak £ mean that players bought with Euros, from somewhere like I don't know Belgium, were cheaper. #Rolandin
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,847
    sralan said:

    Belgian CEOs will not be allowed and those already in that role will be escorted to the Eurostar !!!!!!:-))

    Funny you should say that. I had a conversation with a Football League Chairman earlier today and when the subject turned to Brexit he said to me "At least it might mean you finally get rid of your CEO" - and laughed. Completely unprompted from me, I hasten to add.

    #LaughingStock
  • Wheresmeticket
    Wheresmeticket Posts: 17,304
    We leave Europe every four years. Round about the round of 16.
  • cafcfan
    cafcfan Posts: 11,198
    Henry Irving said:

    would a weak £ mean that players bought with Euros, from somewhere like I don't know Belgium, were cheaper. #Rolandin

    Yes but none of them would want to come here because the wages would be less (in terms of their home currency) than they could get elsewhere.
  • Algarveaddick
    Algarveaddick Posts: 21,154
    IA said:

    Carl Leaburn said:

    Did we have to get a special work permit when we signed JBG? With Iceland being an non EU member state, I cannot recall us going through the waiting on the work permit coming through period. Apologies if we did as my memory not what it used to be :-)

    Iceland is part of the free movement of people. While the UK remains a member of the EU, any of us can move to Reykjavik.


    Stu of Kunming has got it spot on in my opinion
    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    If we still sign up to the free movement of people, surely nothing will change?

    There is only the possibility of changing it if the UK leaves the free movement of people. What that would look like depends on the agreement that is reached with the EU.
    But that's why all the brexiters up norf voted out (and several elsewhere - afternoon Essex...) don't tell me they wasted their vote? :wink:
  • cafcnick1992
    cafcnick1992 Posts: 7,413
    I can't see immigration control turning away people that are likely to earn extremely high sums and pay high levels of tax.
  • IA
    IA Posts: 6,103
    cafcnick1992 said:

    I can't see immigration control turning away people that are likely to earn extremely high sums and pay high levels of tax.

    They do turn away footballers now, or at least have restrictions that prevent some from coming.

    I also doubt footballers pay much tax.
  • TEL
    TEL Posts: 10,100
    IA said:

    Carl Leaburn said:

    Did we have to get a special work permit when we signed JBG? With Iceland being an non EU member state, I cannot recall us going through the waiting on the work permit coming through period. Apologies if we did as my memory not what it used to be :-)

    Iceland is part of the free movement of people. While the UK remains a member of the EU, any of us can move to Reykjavik.


    Stu of Kunming has got it spot on in my opinion
    Stu_of_Kunming said:

    If we still sign up to the free movement of people, surely nothing will change?

    There is only the possibility of changing it if the UK leaves the free movement of people. What that would look like depends on the agreement that is reached with the EU.
    Trolling through all the political claptrap on TV, one thing that keeps being mentioned is that peoples opinions were swayed by immigration. One political journalist even went as far as saying she thought it was more of an Immigration vote, more than one based on the actual workings of the common market.

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