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Is this Roland Duchatelet's Ratner moment?
3blokes
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Now you might get away with calling club supporters "customers". You might get away with calling club supporters "weird" if you try to pretend it means another word.
But you cannot call your supporters stupid on national television and get away with it. You cannot say all the lost supporters are activists, when your strategies at work have seen the club relegated and you have lost 4000 season ticket holders.
That cannot be the way forward for ANY business model on the planet.
I think Roland has dug himself a hole he cannot get out of this time.
But you cannot call your supporters stupid on national television and get away with it. You cannot say all the lost supporters are activists, when your strategies at work have seen the club relegated and you have lost 4000 season ticket holders.
That cannot be the way forward for ANY business model on the planet.
I think Roland has dug himself a hole he cannot get out of this time.
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Let's hope it is.0
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Same people will keep on going regardless I think.2
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Wishful thinking.
Who is going to hold him to account ?8 -
I think that's the problem, no one outside of our little world really cares. We've had good media coverage for the most part but this is our battle with this doughnut and as long as there are people willing to either ignore him or support his arrogant and deceitful running of the club it may take a bit longer. These "episodes" by him and Daisy certainly help us more than them. Big PR meeting this morning with Tom and Adrian, get those invoices in boys, gonna be a bumper Christmas.se9addick said:Wishful thinking.
Who is going to hold him to account ?8 -
Not the same really.
Ratner had products that were flying off the shelves until that statement.
Our lot has been sinking pretty much since this twirp took over,with some pretty big gaffes along the way.
And still he remains.0 -
Except that when you are a self proclaimed visionary, it doesn't sit too well with your self image when what you have uttered is roundly declared to be drivel.se9addick said:Wishful thinking.
Who is going to hold him to account ?
He clearly does not like being a figure of fun and takes himself and his opinions far too seriously.
I just wonder if this latest outburst of genius is a bridge too far.0 -
Here's hoping, but unfortunately I think it's just another one to add to the list.3
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Fair points above I guess, and there was me getting my hopes up
Well, let's see if it gets picked up elsewhere in the media. I just cannot believe his level of ignorance and contempt for something that seems completely beyond his understanding.
But quelle surprise really.
( shuffles off to make himself a consoling cup of tea...)2 -
We can but hope ...0
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Roundly declared by who ?3blokes said:
Except that when you are a self proclaimed visionary, it doesn't sit too well with your self image when what you have uttered is roundly declared to be drivel.se9addick said:Wishful thinking.
Who is going to hold him to account ?
He clearly does not like being a figure of fun and takes himself and his opinions far too seriously.
I just wonder if this latest outburst of genius is a bridge too far.
We know he's an idiot, but we spend every waking moment telling each other that he's an idiot on this site. That doesn't mean he's leaving and I would suggest that going on television in Belgium to put across his side shows that he's more likely staying than leaving.1 -
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I think you'll find that's Wat een verrassing. What are you, stupid? Oh, sorry, yes, apparently we're all stupid.3blokes said:Fair points above I guess, and there was me getting my hopes up
Well, let's see if it gets picked up elsewhere in the media. I just cannot believe his level of ignorance and contempt for something that seems completely beyond his understanding.
But quelle surprise really.
( shuffles off to make himself a consoling cup of tea...)0 -
No, Ratner's gaffe resulted in a plunge in sales of his crap product. Roland hasn't been able to sell his crap product to thousands of us for months now.
Who is going to hold him to account? The board won't give him a hard time will they, seeing as it now comprises the sole shareholder, himself, and his 'niece'.
But what do I know, I'm just a stupid person
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I think Duchatelet is genuinely twisted, with a warped view of the world and his place in it. He appoints and supports inadequate people who will do things his way, regardless. Very strange, but we know him/them by now and although we are shocked at his comments I doubt that many of us are overly surprised.
What I do find inexplicable is that there are Charlton fans who have thrown their support behind Duchatelet and his regime despite the mountain of evidence of his disregard for the club, it's history and it's fans. All on the back of appointing a British manager (make that two).
I'm not talking here about those who are just tired of protesting and just want to try to feel positive and follow the football. I get that attitude.
But actually siding with Duchatelet when he comes out with crap like this. Really? That is as twisted as Duchatelet himself.31 -
Alas,it's this...nobody at the FA or EFL give a damn,all too busy with their hands out for corporate freebies to worry about actually running or governing the game in the correct manner.se9addick said:Wishful thinking.
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Well I have been called a few things in my time, and sometimes quite justifiably, but I am quite particular about who calls me stupid and I, for one, have decided I won't be returning to The Valley while Roland Duchatelet is in charge of Charlton Athletic. It might be a long wait, and we might be playing Barcelona in The Champions League ( That IS a stupid thought) but I'm not coming back Roland till you've fucked off.
You are probably much less bothered by that than me. But one of us is stupid, remember.2 -
I can see some media picking up on this but it is unlikely to change the minds of the anti protesters, many of them will agree that protesting IS stupid.
Perhaps @Essex_Al and @WhenIwasLittleBoy have an opinion?0 -
His entire time in football is his 'Ratner moment', it's just that it's lasted for several years so far. Not a single moment, just a vast collection of them0
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Roland the Clown0
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No court in land would convict - I didn't fall into the trap of suggesting he had a heart...0
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I bet they're well pissed off... those invoices aren't going to be cleared by the 25th after all.Nug said:
I think that's the problem, no one outside of our little world really cares. We've had good media coverage for the most part but this is our battle with this doughnut and as long as there are people willing to either ignore him or support his arrogant and deceitful running of the club it may take a bit longer. These "episodes" by him and Daisy certainly help us more than them. Big PR meeting this morning with Tom and Adrian, get those invoices in boys, gonna be a bumper Christmas.se9addick said:Wishful thinking.
Who is going to hold him to account ?
But don't worry lads, I'm sure the invoices will be paid up in time for the January sales.0 -
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Duchatelet clearly sees things through a different prism but the fact that he is feels the need to try and justify himself on Belgian national TV is encouraging. The fact that - objectively speaking - he made a fool of himself with his comments is a further bonus.4
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No, not for Charlton Athletic
It might backfire on him slightly in terms of his other business and political interests though, not to the same degree as the Ratner incident0 -
Encouraging that Duchatelet feels the need to justify himself. The getting to know the network pieces will surely help things along. Great that the Belgium media has the scent. Looking forward to parts 3 & 4 of Getting to know the Network.1
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As Grapevine49 puts it so eloquently on another thread, Roland Ratner's glorious analysis of his failing football club and his disenchanted former customers serves what purpose from a business perspective? The answer is none. It was just him trying to justify decisions he has made which have been proved to have completely misguided. It was all about him, not the business. And clearly his decisions have never been informed by any understanding of football.
He's like Katy. The more he opens his mouth about running this club, the more he shows himself up as economic with the facts, and positively frugal with his understanding of what that requires.
Apart from anything else, the relegation proves his approach was completely wrong.
Good to see a few media outlets picking it up. The wider this nonsense gets aired the better.
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It is quite obvious the man is mentally ill.2
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More of a Gordon Brown moment I think when he called that woman a bigot because she had an opinion different to his.
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He seem to have the understanding of a small child when it comes to football! It really is WEIRD!1
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He seem to have the understanding of a small child when it comes to football! It really is WEIRD!0
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I don't think he has that excuse. He's just ignorant, pompous and delusional.STLeonards said:It is quite obvious the man is mentally ill.
He clearly comes from money too, so has never needed to moderate himself to try and fit in with others.
As a result, the only people willing to associate with him are fellow hapless self-regarders like Katy, Driesen, Fraeye and so on.0 -
Of course you are right, but I think that the dude does not care about his actions and it has now developed into an all out fans v Duchatelet/squirrel face battle.3blokes said:Now you might get away with calling club supporters "customers". You might get away with calling club supporters "weird" if you try to pretend it means another word.
But you cannot call your supporters stupid on national television and get away with it. You cannot say all the lost supporters are activists, when your strategies at work have seen the club relegated and you have lost 4000 season ticket holders.
That cannot be the way forward for ANY business model on the planet.
I think Roland has dug himself a hole he cannot get out of this time.
We will all open the papers one day and find that the prick has really f***** us over. He has ulterior motives, what I do not know.0
