Re funds to be made available to Robinson?

razil said:

I guess we now see the strategy crystal clear. Long term football factory farm approach to eventually make more money than we lose, no ambition as such, feeder club.

No surprise - exactly what KM described at the Dublin conference.

kings hill addick said:

PragueAddick said:

Henry Irving said:

PragueAddick said:

@Henry Irving

Do you believe this shower can persuade Everton to put £8m on the table for Lookman, when they could only get 1.5m for Gudmunsson.?

Half of that, I reckon

What I've heard from two separate sources. May or may not be true but that is what is being said.

Lookman is young, English and a goalscorer all of which bring a premium.

Don't get me wrong. I could imagine that, say Sheff Utd could sell Lookman for £8m and Gud for £5m no problem. Gomez undersold too, with a murky role of an agent ensuring there were no competitive bids.

RD wants to cash in. Instructions must be followed.

Wish I could be less cynical, but where is the evidence that anything has changed?

In reality I think the difference here is that Lookman is not 'demanding' a move, whereas Gomez agent wanted him to move to Liverpool and Gudmunnsson was never, ever, going to play in the Third Division. I don't know why Lookman is so different, but having listened to him speak at a Junior Reds function (with my son) I think he was genuinely committed to us. My best guess is that Lookman has an agent with a different attitude

It's very hard to get top price for a player when the player has let it be known that he has no intention of staying at the selling club.

Just made a small but IMO important correction for the record

Lincsaddick said:

so is it confirmed that just 5% of any incoming transfer fees is to be made available for player purchases or is this just another rumour with nil plausibility attached to it ?

Whether it's true or not - and it was circulating among the club's own staff yesterday - it was based on Lookman, not "any incoming transfer fees". It's quite logical to assume that sales not currently expected could be added to the pot, which is what I think Robinson said himself. He would have to sell others to generate money if he wants to spend more. In terms of budgetary planning it's a highly plausible approach for RD, just not for anyone with realistic ambition to get promoted this season. But we'll see.

killerandflash said:

Airman Brown said:

Heard the £400,000 figure yesterday too.

That was how much Karl spent on drinks for the players after yesterday's win

And Big Josh deserved every drop of his Cheval Blanc 1945.

Henry Irving said:

Lincsaddick said:

so is it confirmed that just 5% of any incoming transfer fees is to be made available for player purchases or is this just another rumour with nil plausibility attached to it ?

Complete misreading of what was said.

Rumour heard by many on here (redmidland, Airman Brown, me, etc) was that Robinson has been given 400k to spend including wages.

I made the COMPARISON that that was only 5% of the upfront Lookman fee of £8m NOT that Robinson was getting 5% of all incoming fees.

that makes more sense .. £400,000 at our level including wages of (say) £110-150,000 a year indicates one or two players signed at a smallish fee or perhaps three on frees .. but £8 million up front for Lookman ? .. I would think that is wildly optimistic .. the fee will be 'undisclosed' unless somebody outside the closed CAFC management circle actually knows the real figure, and that is extremely unlikely .. anyway if 400 grand is the figure, so be it

I would suggest that Robinson might well like to bring in 4 or 5 'quality' players but does he really need that number ? .. a 'quality' midfielder would be nice, but he won't come cheap ... and (I have not seen them play together yet) could not Konsa and Aribo together alongside Crofts be an answer to the 'midfield question' ? .. personally I would sooner they were given the role rather than an 'experienced' midfielder be brought in for the sake of it

Alwaysneil said:

£400k is naff all money to bolster for a promotion push especially if it includes net present value of wages on the additions.

To get anyone in would require 6 month loans, no fee in and most wages paid by lending club.

Permanent deals would be on a 2 out 1 in basis.

The secondary problem is that we have too many surplus players who are on contracts that no one else will give them, which is the product of previous bad decision making. Hence we struggle to get them out.

Airman Brown said:

Alwaysneil said:

£400k is naff all money to bolster for a promotion push especially if it includes net present value of wages on the additions.

To get anyone in would require 6 month loans, no fee in and most wages paid by lending club.

Permanent deals would be on a 2 out 1 in basis.

The secondary problem is that we have too many surplus players who are on contracts that no one else will give them, which is the product of previous bad decision making. Hence we struggle to get them out.

Don't worry. Only another circa 180 weekly wage packets we have to give to nabby sarr.

kentred2 said:

razil said:

I guess we now see the strategy crystal clear. Long term football factory farm approach to eventually make more money than we lose, no ambition as such, feeder club.

Did we not know that from day 1?

Some said it, many realised along the way, some amazingly still don't despite it being laid bare for all to see. They also aren't very good at it..

Airman Brown said:

Alwaysneil said:

£400k is naff all money to bolster for a promotion push especially if it includes net present value of wages on the additions.

To get anyone in would require 6 month loans, no fee in and most wages paid by lending club.

Permanent deals would be on a 2 out 1 in basis.

The secondary problem is that we have too many surplus players who are on contracts that no one else will give them, which is the product of previous bad decision making. Hence we struggle to get them out.

Yes, Watt, Ba, Sarr, vetokele, Johnson must all be mostly not playing for us but have been paid for by us.

No one in their right mind would offer them anything close to length of contract or wages for these 'championship' level players who can't make it into a league 1 managers plans.

Airman Brown said:

Lincsaddick said:

so is it confirmed that just 5% of any incoming transfer fees is to be made available for player purchases or is this just another rumour with nil plausibility attached to it ?

Whether it's true or not - and it was circulating among the club's own staff yesterday - it was based on Lookman, not "any incoming transfer fees". It's quite logical to assume that sales not currently expected could be added to the pot, which is what I think Robinson said himself. He would have to sell others to generate money if he wants to spend more. In terms of budgetary planning it's a highly plausible approach for RD, just not for anyone with realistic ambition to ever get promoted this season. But we'll see.

Fixed that for you...

I still expect to see more leaving than coming in (I would not be surprised if, other than Fox, the regime accepted bids for any or all of Bauer, Texiera, Konsa, Phillips, Aribo, Lennon, Ajose, or Magennis - as they have either been okay this season, or okay recently enough, to interest potential suitors), we will continue to be vulnerable to injuries because of the lack of squad depth.

NornIrishAddick said:

Airman Brown said:

Lincsaddick said:

so is it confirmed that just 5% of any incoming transfer fees is to be made available for player purchases or is this just another rumour with nil plausibility attached to it ?

Whether it's true or not - and it was circulating among the club's own staff yesterday - it was based on Lookman, not "any incoming transfer fees". It's quite logical to assume that sales not currently expected could be added to the pot, which is what I think Robinson said himself. He would have to sell others to generate money if he wants to spend more. In terms of budgetary planning it's a highly plausible approach for RD, just not for anyone with realistic ambition to ever get promoted this season. But we'll see.

Fixed that for you...

I still expect to see more leaving than coming in (I would not be surprised if, other than Fox, the regime accepted bids for any or all of Bauer, Texiera, Konsa, Phillips, Aribo, Lennon, Ajose, or Magennis - as they have either been okay this season, or okay recently enough, to interest potential suitors), we will continue to be vulnerable to injuries because of the lack of squad depth.

Any of the central defenders except Johnson I'm sure they'd sell, with Teixeira top of the list by a distance because of his wages. They'd probably pay him to play for someone else if they could, as with previous loans. For the same reason, Tex is least likely to get a permanent move, IMO. Hopefully he stays.

Nobody's buying Johnson, obviously.

BBC reporting £11M for Lookman.

Has KR commented on the outcome of his trip to Belgium? He was very vocal beforehand, saying he was going over to talk etc.