Charlton v Fleetwood - Post Match Views
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'But one advantage of the loquacious manager is CEO Katrien Meire has seemingly been able to disappear into the shadows and not offend the supporters for a few weeks'Henry Irving said:
Not sure about No.1 but otherwise yes, fair summary.AFKABartram said:5 things we learnt from The Wharf. I wasn't there, seem a fair sum ?
http://www.wharf.co.uk/sport/5-things-learned-charltons-draw-12561374
I'm a fan of Robinson but would argue that the word should have been garrulous, rather than loquacious?1 -
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Fox could never get there in time to get sent offBR3red said:Many here blame decisions about the left back situation, bit of a broken record but Fox was never injured or sent off, 3 games in a row now since Fox left we are in trouble left side.
Jacko done his best but look at the root cause of all of this - we sold Fox.
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We've averaged 2 points per game in the last 6. 3 wins & 3 draws = 12 points from 6 games. Automatic promotion form (in terms of points).supaclive said:We are currently averaging just under 1.5 points per game in 28 games and have averaged 1.5 points in our last six matches. Statistically in the long haul we haven't been good enough and neither in our famous, current unbeaten run.
There is just one play off place left up for grabs as the gap to fifth is ten more points.0 -
Note to James Seed.
Despite having an A' Level in English I was unsure of the difference between Loquacious and Garrulous so googled both words.
Loquacious =Garrulous Garrulous=Loquacious.So on this occasion the grammar police have charged someone for driving at 30 miles and hour in a 30 mile an hour limit area.2 -
Ignore Google. Locquacious is a positive word to use, and implies excellent use of language. Garrulous implies that the use of language is annoying. Apologies for being a total pedant, but thought it ok when not criticising a board contributor but a newspaper article.timken said:Note to James Seed.
Despite having an A' Level in English I was unsure of the difference between Loquacious and Garrulous so googled both words.
Loquacious =Garrulous Garrulous=Loquacious.So on this occasion the grammar police have charged someone for driving at 30 miles and hour in a 30 mile an hour limit area.1 -
Slade's football was dull and Saturday we saw how a team that are trying to play attacking, passing football can be the same. We kept possession well but Fleetwood at times had their entire team in their own half. I like the idea of how Robinson wants to play but we're probably missing a mixture of the players and confidence to play that way. Just keeping the ball without creating many real chances isn't enough.
Playing a passing game if the balance isn't right teams can sit back and deny you space. We needed to find a way around that, and it looked like we had with a set piece. It just didn't really happen again. We need players to take risks, whether they beat a man or pick out a pass. Too often we took the safe option and kept possession.
Towards the end of the game it was obvious we needed a second goal and it never came. On AFKA's link I don't agree with the first point - any one or combination of Botaka, Mavididi or Dasilva may have given us some pace and energy and offered a threat you won't get from Jackson, Novak or a tiring Watt. For an attacking manager he took the safe/steady options which lessened our attacking threat.
I see KR sticking with his formation so it'll be interesting whether he sees Watt as that number 10/attacking middi or only uses him as a striker or perhaps out wide. Either way I can't see him moving to a 4-4-2, which will frustrate those who see a lone striker as negative.
On Aribo having seen him again I feel he looks better on the ball than off it. While clearly better going forward than Crofts, Jackson and Foley and good on the ball he's not as energetic (but not suggesting he's lazy) off it as you might expect. Definitely not the box to box, all action Patrick Vieira type that KR compared him to. He's worth his place in the team though and in time he can hopefully add goals to the few assists he's already got.
I went with a Brighton fan and he picked out Konsa as player who stood out. I thought he looked very comfortable on the ball, ideal for the way KR wants us to play. Surely the next to in line to be sold. When linked with moves away he's been compared to Gomez and while I don't think he's quite as good he has similar strengths and I can see him playing in the Prem eventually.5 -
Leaving aside the sending off, Byrne contributed little in the second half, the red card was symptomatic of someone was was slightly off the pace. Botaka will be a straight replacement for him next Saturday1
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The bit at the end re: KM made me chuckle. For me it's not that Robinson's loquaciousity (fuck knows if that's even the appropriate modification) that has stopped KM offending fans, it's more the fact we haven't heard/she hasn't said anything period. Rest assured, the next time she does offer something publicly, the foot will firmly follow through to the mouth. Both her and Trump have this amazing ability to just say the wrong thing every time they open their mouths. Amazing talentAFKABartram said:5 things we learnt from The Wharf. I wasn't there, seem a fair sum ?
http://www.wharf.co.uk/sport/5-things-learned-charltons-draw-125613741 -
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Exactly that. Nothing to do with Robinson. She's spent a fortune on PR Advisors and they appear to have said to her (presumably in polite terms) that she is incapable of saying anything that isn't utterly stupid or offensive and that her best course of action is to avoid saying anything ever again.cabbles said:
The bit at the end re: KM made me chuckle. For me it's not that Robinson's loquaciousity (fuck knows if that's even the appropriate modification) that has stopped KM offending fans, it's more the fact we haven't heard/she hasn't said anything period. Rest assured, the next time she does offer something publicly, the foot will firmly follow through to the mouth. Both her and Trump have this amazing ability to just say the wrong thing every time they open their mouths. Amazing talentAFKABartram said:5 things we learnt from The Wharf. I wasn't there, seem a fair sum ?
http://www.wharf.co.uk/sport/5-things-learned-charltons-draw-12561374
Thought the performance was thoroughly uninspiring. Very few chances created and never looked capable of applying the sort of pressure that Fleetwood managed in the last 20 minutes. I understand we played well at Bolton but, following the trend of the entire season, we never manage two convincing performances on the spin. We're the epitome of mid-table mediocrity.
5 more games before the end of the month - looking at the sides we're playing, a promotion-challenging side in this woefully poor division would expect comprehensive wins in all of those fixtures with the exception of Rochdale away. I expect us to get 8 points at the most.
Not good enough.
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We haven't not got the "8 points at the most" yet.
Let's check in on the 1st March and see how it goes.
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If Botaka is a striaght replacement for Byrne that will be good .I thought Botaka was outstanding against Bristol Rovers before he went to the Africa Cup of Nations.
Note to James Seed.Thanks for the update .I find these subtle differences in the meaning of words facinating1 -
Presumably Page comes back and Chicksen will play left midfield, with Holmes on the right. No starting place for Botaka, who can then be used (as required) as an impact substitute?timken said:If Botaka is a striaght replacement for Byrne that will be good .I thought Botaka was outstanding against Bristol Rovers before he went to the Africa Cup of Nations.
Note to James Seed.Thanks for the update .I find these subtle differences in the meaning of words facinating0 -
Page misses two matches I think.Airman Brown said:
Presumably Page comes back and Chicksen will play left midfield, with Holmes on the right. No starting place for Botaka, who can then be used (as required) as an impact substitute?timken said:If Botaka is a striaght replacement for Byrne that will be good .I thought Botaka was outstanding against Bristol Rovers before he went to the Africa Cup of Nations.
Note to James Seed.Thanks for the update .I find these subtle differences in the meaning of words facinating
If he does then Chicksen LB, Holmes on the left, Botaka on the right? He (Botaka) was really finding his feet before ACoN.0 -
Page is suspended for 2 matches due previous misdemeanour at Coventry I think.
http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/discipline/suspensions2 -
for how long is Magennis out ?0
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Should be back SaturdayLincsaddick said:for how long is Magennis out ?
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Apparently due back next weekend.Lincsaddick said:for how long is Magennis out ?
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MrLargo said:
Apparently due back next weekend.Lincsaddick said:for how long is Magennis out ?
thanks chapsForeverAddickted said:
Should be back SaturdayLincsaddick said:for how long is Magennis out ?
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Hope Chicksen is ok. That was the first time I can remember a player coming off with an illness. I should imagine standing around in the cold while the fourth official got changed can't have helped.
I think he'd be a big miss if he hasn't recovered, as he can cover at least two positions.2 -
It's funny (annoying) how Millwall can go 12 or 13 matches unchanged, whereas we are always shuffling players about. Is that because we play so many young players who couldn't play so many matches in a row? Or are we just unlucky. Getting red cards doesn't help.
I suspect opponents believe we are vulnerable to a team that plays a 'physical' game, so our players can take a bit of a battering, and can end up responding (like Tex) to being battered/provoked.0 -
Millwall are a much more settled side than us generally. The manager has been in charge for more than 5 mins, most of the players have been there for more than five mins, and they have established the system they wish to play.JamesSeed said:It's funny (annoying) how Millwall can go 12 or 13 matches unchanged, whereas we are always shuffling players about. Is that because we play so many young players who couldn't play so many matches in a row? Or are we just unlucky. Getting red cards doesn't help.
I suspect opponents believe we are vulnerable to a team that plays a 'physical' game, so our players can take a bit of a battering, and can end up responding (like Tex) to being battered/provoked.
I think we know how we want to play now, but it is still early days in instigating that change. We have had a bit of a run recently with injuries and suspension so KR has had no choice but to keep shuffling things. I'm sure he has in his mind what his bets XI is but they haven't always been available to him. If/when they are, we may well see thing settle down - as long as they are getting results and not getting injures or suspended.
The constant flux in the first XI is one of the symptoms of the lack of forward planning, and knee jerk approach to managerial hiring & firing and transfers that comes form the board room.9 -
Neil Harris has a squad limited in number but excellent in quality for this level, including some good home grown youngsters and he knows what he wants .. 4 4 2 or a 4 4 1 1 for the pedants .. hard work, aggression and for the team to not give an inch even when the cause is pretty much hopeless .. injuries ? .. a matter of player robustness, training techniques, good medical and therapy staff and good fortune ..JamesSeed said:It's funny (annoying) how Millwall can go 12 or 13 matches unchanged, whereas we are always shuffling players about. Is that because we play so many young players who couldn't play so many matches in a row? Or are we just unlucky. Getting red cards doesn't help.
I suspect opponents believe we are vulnerable to a team that plays a 'physical' game, so our players can take a bit of a battering, and can end up responding (like Tex) to being battered/provoked.
I totally agree with your point about the physical game .. too many of our players, although willing and skilful are small in stature and perhaps callow in attitude but they are getting better ..
IF ONLY we can get promoted this season, next season all our players will be tougher physically and mentally .. I fear if we stay down more players will be lost due to budget cuts and approaches from other clubs1 -
Missed that. Thanks.RedChaser said:Page is suspended for 2 matches due previous misdemeanour at Coventry I think.
http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/discipline/suspensions3 -
Promotion or not, this next summer window will be massive for the club. If we're not sold, but we sell Konsa, Aribo (and any other young talent we may discover before then) to Premier League clubs, without replacing them properly, then any positivity that may have been growing about the future will melt away.Exiled_Addick said:
Millwall are a much more settled side than us generally. The manager has been in charge for more than 5 mins, most of the players have been there for more than five mins, and they have established the system they wish to play.JamesSeed said:It's funny (annoying) how Millwall can go 12 or 13 matches unchanged, whereas we are always shuffling players about. Is that because we play so many young players who couldn't play so many matches in a row? Or are we just unlucky. Getting red cards doesn't help.
I suspect opponents believe we are vulnerable to a team that plays a 'physical' game, so our players can take a bit of a battering, and can end up responding (like Tex) to being battered/provoked.
I think we know how we want to play now, but it is still early days in instigating that change. We have had a bit of a run recently with injuries and suspension so KR has had no choice but to keep shuffling things. I'm sure he has in his mind what his bets XI is but they haven't always been available to him. If/when they are, we may well see thing settle down - as long as they are getting results and not getting injures or suspended.
The constant flux in the first XI is one of the symptoms of the lack of forward planning, and knee jerk approach to managerial hiring & firing and transfers that comes form the board room.0 -
Every transfer window sees us bring in lots of loan players and not enough permanent signings, this window was no different.
Constant chopping and changing.
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2018ForeverAddickted said:
Should be back SaturdayLincsaddick said:for how long is Magennis out ?
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That's one thing about Fox, he was one of the few players who you could rely on to stay fit throughout a seasonJamesSeed said:It's funny (annoying) how Millwall can go 12 or 13 matches unchanged, whereas we are always shuffling players about. Is that because we play so many young players who couldn't play so many matches in a row? Or are we just unlucky. Getting red cards doesn't help.
I suspect opponents believe we are vulnerable to a team that plays a 'physical' game, so our players can take a bit of a battering, and can end up responding (like Tex) to being battered/provoked.
Looking at the injured players, the likes of Pearce, Holmes and Magennis aren't exactly young, so maybe we've been a bit unlucky as well.1 -
Hrumph. I said it first. :-(Airman Brown said:
Missed that. Thanks.RedChaser said:Page is suspended for 2 matches due previous misdemeanour at Coventry I think.
http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/discipline/suspensions1
