GRAS - new STVV protest group
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Yellow and blue army could make the protest a bit more exciting. Should we have some red and white smoke bombs to compliment their yellow and blue ones?0
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This has to be good news (the new group, not the smoke bombs).0
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The discontent with Duchatelet's involvement in football is spreading like wild fly2
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Bitter ex-employees no doubt.
Getting closer to home now Meire and Duchatelet.25 -
Or even wild Fire flies.AFKABartram said:The discontent with Duchatelet's involvement in football is spreading like wild fly
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Let's hope Roland doesn't have a lawnmower.3
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In all honesty, its great to see that they're stepping their game up, and we're all coming together out of a love for our clubs. United we stand.
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That's got to be good news !0
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Problem with that is the risk of blue ones being set off next to red ones, all you would need is a couple of people dressed in black and it'd look like the Croydon rent boys were out in forcecantersaddick said:Yellow and blue army could make the protest a bit more exciting. Should we have some red and white smoke bombs to compliment their yellow and blue ones?
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It's also spreading like wild fire.AFKABartram said:The discontent with Duchatelet's involvement in football is spreading like wild fly
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Slowly, slowly, catchy ratty.....Henry Irving said:Bitter ex-employees no doubt.
Getting closer to home now Meire and Duchatelet.12 -
Their Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/GrAS1924/0
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This is a google translation of the GrAS facebook page
Yesterday · Public
Who are we and what do we want?
We are a group of supporters who believe STVV should be run as a competitive professional sports club, not a social club, a shopping center or a convenient but insignificant part of a company. Since the NV Stayen exists thanks to the original purchase of the stadium grounds for the football club STVV and to this day the brand STVV benefits from it, it is only fair and reasonable that the football club also benefits from this relationship.
We therefore ask that NV Stayen:
• writes off all existing debt of STVV, formal and non virtual via a so-called. Risk contract
• waives all existing claims to the TV rights
• waive all remaining rights to players
• negotiates about a more favorable lease with the club
We also request that Duchâtelet undertakes:
• To make the football really competitive on the field
• to express a healthy ambition for the club to pursue sporting successes
• If Duchâtelet can not undertake here, we ask that he is actively looking for a suitable buyer for the club, which will give us the opportunity to grow and be successful.
Background
In 2004 when Duchâtelet became the new owner of STVV with the promise to create a strong and stable first division STVV, the club's debt was but 700,000 euros.
At the time Staaien was still owned by the city of Sint-Truiden. Duchâtelet, thanks to his local political connections, managed to negotiate in 2008 the purchase of the stadium and surrounding land at a price below the real market value. A new limited company, NV Stayen, was founded. The football was used as a convenient excuse to invest in all kinds of commercial areas. Duchâtelet spent as a sloppy 35 million euro for new stands, hotels, apartment buildings, underground parking, offices, facilities, meeting rooms and build a fitness center for the NV Stayen.
In 2011 Duchâtelet bought Standard, and one of his business partners at that time, Benoît Morenne took charge of the responsibility of STVV. At that time the debt STVV to Duchâtelet had risen to as high as 7 million. This debt was largely built by his own failing sporting policy.
The story that appeared in the press was that Duchâtelet by way of gesture forgave the debts of STVV, but in reality only postponed its payment. The debt would be repaid by 15% to Duchâtelet STVV's TV rights and commercial rights (ie transfer) to cede a number STVV players. Of course, these players were all sold quickly. Moreover led to the abnormally high number of transfers and lending cycles between STVV and Standard, the fact that Bart Lammens took over in 2012 as chairman at the request of Roland Duchâtelet, and the deals between NV STVV on one hand and NV Stayen (Marieke Höfte) on the other to speculation and research on the lasting influence of Roland Duchâtelet, at that time chairman of Standard, the daily operation of STVV.
All commercial income from the new stadium flowed to NV Stayen and very little or nothing to the football club, despite Staaien being home to the club since 1927. The only option for STVV was entering into a commercial lease agreement with NV Stayen.
In June 2015 Duchâtelet sold Standard to Bruno Venanzi and then he came back late in May 2016 at the helm stand STVV. He took over from Bart Lammens, he was still four years had himself asked to be chairman. Then he placed his partner, Marieke Höfte, at the head of the football club and around the same time, plans were announced for a new South Stand, with 1,500 seats and more offices and commercial spaces.
In a recent interview Duchâtelet had understood that STVV had no ambition club but a social club that Stayen primarily a place to shop, eat, drink, dance and have fun.
In summary
Behind a smokescreen of "investment in the football stadium" Duchâtelet made good use of his political connections and STVV fans to create a robust company. It's obvious that he cares little or nothing to sporting success and that its focus is mainly on the growth of its assets. Despite the fact that he owns the club and stadium, STVV will not receive preferential treatment. The club is just a source of income for the NV Stayen. For STVV this relationship has no chance in the further development of the club and the pursuit of sporting success, on the contrary. Or by analogy with an earlier judgment of Duchâtelet: STVV is a club that plays happen to Stayen.
Then it repeats the opening section.29 -
For those who are RD apologists, funny that the Sint Truiden fans have found the same problems with RD's ownership e.g. Loading the club with debt and not being interested in the football team being successful.39
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It's not just that neither club is successful but that there is no ambition for either to be successful.EveshamAddick said:For those who are RD apologists, funny that the Sint Truiden fans have found the same problems with RD's ownership e.g. Loading the club with debt and not being interested in the football team being successful.
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This is a very important point lost on a small number!8
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Oh my word that is shocking reading.
So now we have it in black & white his intentions for us.
Not on my fecking watch.14 -
GrAS - Graag een Ander STVV .
Roughly translated it means: A different STVV please.
It is also a reference to the synthetic pitch installed by Duchatelet as one of his many cost-cutting measures.
These people have endured the RD effect for 13 years now. Their early protests were met with threats of having season tickets revoked, and of being banned from Staaien. The STVV website used to have its own fan forum, but in the face of increasing criticism, Duchatelet had the forum closed.
Over time, feeling their objections were futile, many who had been prepared to speak out just walked away, never to return.
The emergence of GrAS represents the long-awaited revival of a fan protest movement for STVV. The fans involved are only now, tentatively feeling their way once again, as they look to rediscover a confidence in themselves and conviction in their cause.
By acting alongside GrAS I hope and expect that Charlton fans will help empower these people. Because as well as taking our grievances to Duchatelet's back yard, the protests will also be a clear expression of our support for GrAS. And who knows, together we might yet inspire those who have "given up" to feel part of their football club once again.29 -
Good to see STVV are properly on board.3
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When all this is over we will have made lasting friends with our brothers and sisters in STVV4
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Half and half Charlton/STTV scarf anyone?3
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That GrAS Facebook page should be printed & handed out to our supporters before the Bury match on Saturday.
Those pro regimers that bother to read it might begin to wonder whether our protests have some validity after all....
VOTV would be another vehicle for this , of course.3 -
I wouldn't hold my breath on the second point - but I doubt there are more than 20 of them so hardly significant!0
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This makes for shocking reading. It is what will happen to Charlton unless our protest on 4th March is effective. Do you want to be looking back in 13 years time, thinking "Did I do enough to try to stop this happening?"N01R4M said:This is a google translation of the GrAS facebook page
Yesterday · Public
Who are we and what do we want?
We are a group of supporters who believe STVV should be run as a competitive professional sports club, not a social club, a shopping center or a convenient but insignificant part of a company. Since the NV Stayen exists thanks to the original purchase of the stadium grounds for the football club STVV and to this day the brand STVV benefits from it, it is only fair and reasonable that the football club also benefits from this relationship.
We therefore ask that NV Stayen:
• writes off all existing debt of STVV, formal and non virtual via a so-called. Risk contract
• waives all existing claims to the TV rights
• waive all remaining rights to players
• negotiates about a more favorable lease with the club
We also request that Duchâtelet undertakes:
• To make the football really competitive on the field
• to express a healthy ambition for the club to pursue sporting successes
• If Duchâtelet can not undertake here, we ask that he is actively looking for a suitable buyer for the club, which will give us the opportunity to grow and be successful.
Background
In 2004 when Duchâtelet became the new owner of STVV with the promise to create a strong and stable first division STVV, the club's debt was but 700,000 euros.
At the time Staaien was still owned by the city of Sint-Truiden. Duchâtelet, thanks to his local political connections, managed to negotiate in 2008 the purchase of the stadium and surrounding land at a price below the real market value. A new limited company, NV Stayen, was founded. The football was used as a convenient excuse to invest in all kinds of commercial areas. Duchâtelet spent as a sloppy 35 million euro for new stands, hotels, apartment buildings, underground parking, offices, facilities, meeting rooms and build a fitness center for the NV Stayen.
In 2011 Duchâtelet bought Standard, and one of his business partners at that time, Benoît Morenne took charge of the responsibility of STVV. At that time the debt STVV to Duchâtelet had risen to as high as 7 million. This debt was largely built by his own failing sporting policy.
The story that appeared in the press was that Duchâtelet by way of gesture forgave the debts of STVV, but in reality only postponed its payment. The debt would be repaid by 15% to Duchâtelet STVV's TV rights and commercial rights (ie transfer) to cede a number STVV players. Of course, these players were all sold quickly. Moreover led to the abnormally high number of transfers and lending cycles between STVV and Standard, the fact that Bart Lammens took over in 2012 as chairman at the request of Roland Duchâtelet, and the deals between NV STVV on one hand and NV Stayen (Marieke Höfte) on the other to speculation and research on the lasting influence of Roland Duchâtelet, at that time chairman of Standard, the daily operation of STVV.
All commercial income from the new stadium flowed to NV Stayen and very little or nothing to the football club, despite Staaien being home to the club since 1927. The only option for STVV was entering into a commercial lease agreement with NV Stayen.
In June 2015 Duchâtelet sold Standard to Bruno Venanzi and then he came back late in May 2016 at the helm stand STVV. He took over from Bart Lammens, he was still four years had himself asked to be chairman. Then he placed his partner, Marieke Höfte, at the head of the football club and around the same time, plans were announced for a new South Stand, with 1,500 seats and more offices and commercial spaces.
In a recent interview Duchâtelet had understood that STVV had no ambition club but a social club that Stayen primarily a place to shop, eat, drink, dance and have fun.
In summary
Behind a smokescreen of "investment in the football stadium" Duchâtelet made good use of his political connections and STVV fans to create a robust company. It's obvious that he cares little or nothing to sporting success and that its focus is mainly on the growth of its assets. Despite the fact that he owns the club and stadium, STVV will not receive preferential treatment. The club is just a source of income for the NV Stayen. For STVV this relationship has no chance in the further development of the club and the pursuit of sporting success, on the contrary. Or by analogy with an earlier judgment of Duchâtelet: STVV is a club that plays happen to Stayen.
Then it repeats the opening section.
Please make the effort to travel to Sint Truiden to protest. We need as many as possible to really rattle Roland's cage. We know he doesn't like us visiting his home town and he certainly doesn't like being ridiculed publicly there.
Local media have already picked up on the planned protest and the involvement of GRAS will only increase the media attention. This could be the one thing that tips the balance and makes him sell if it is big enough, and you could be a part of it. The organisers have put so much of their time, effort and money into planning it. These are people with full time jobs and families, just like you lot. It is there on a plate for you (literally in the case of the buffet!). It is subsidised if you need it to be. All we need now are as many Charlton supporters out there as possible to let Duchatelet know how much we detest what he is doing to our club.
Yes, I know many of you have tickets for Northampton, and you haven't visited their ground before. FFS! Go watch us there next season (well, unless we are relegated). We will draw 1-1 or lose anyway and the football will be sh*t!
The club is being destroyed by this man. Please come over to Belgium and help try to stop him.
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Brilliant post foresthillred.
How fans who really care about Charlton can choose Northampton over a subsidised Belgium trip is beyond me.2 -
All disgruntled ex-employees obviously.0
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This bit from their Facebook page:
"We also request that Duchâtelet undertakes:
• To make the football really competitive on the field
• to express a healthy ambition for the club to pursue sporting successes
• If Duchâtelet can not undertake here, we ask that he is actively looking for a suitable buyer for the club, which will give us the opportunity to grow and be successful."
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GrAS have posted about 4 March on STVV fans' forum (original followed by google translation)
Mars tegen het beleid, zaterdag 4 maart!
Bericht gras 22 Feb 2017, 15:10
UITNODIGING
Om onze boodschap aan Duchâtelet te ondersteunen zullen we zaterdag 4 maart 2017 samenkomen op de Grote Markt van Sint-Truiden om 17u45. Daar zullen we protesteren tegen de huidige constructie NV STVV – NV Stayen en oproepen om van sportief succes opnieuw een prioriteit te maken, om daarna in een mars naar Staaien te trekken waar we de protesten zullen verder zetten voor aanvang van de wedstrijd tegen Eupen.
We kunnen hierbij ook bevestigen dat een grote groep Charlton Athletic supporters uit Londen zullen afreizen om mee te protesteren. Zoals jullie wellicht weten, protesteren zij al meer dan een jaar tegen Duchâtelet in een poging om hem te overtuigen om de club te verkopen.
Herinnert u zich hoe trots we waren om voor de Kanaries te supporteren? Herinnert u zich “De Hel van Staaien”? Laat ons het bekende vuur en geestdrift van STVV terug aanwakkeren en van STVV opnieuw een echte club maken.
March against the policies, Saturday, March 4th!
Post by gras »22 Feb 2017 15:10
INVITATION
To support our message to Duchâtelet we will meet Saturday, March 4th, 2017 at the Grote Markt of Sint-Truiden at 17:45. We will protest against the current construction NV STVV - NV Stayen and calls of sporting success again be a priority, and then in a march to draw Staaien where we will continue the protests before the game against Eupen.
We can hereby confirm that a large group of Charlton Athletic supporters will travel from London to protest it. As you may know, they have been protesting for more than a year against Duchâtelet in an attempt to convince him to sell the club.
Do you remember how proud we were to cheer for the Canaries? Do you remember "Hell Staaien"? Let us return fueling the familiar fire and enthusiasm of STVV and re-create a real STVV club.
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