Using a mobile while driving
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Its a difficult one but phones seem to be a big problem. There are still plenty of people smoking in vehicles i.e. one hand on the wheel not two, changing CD's, eating, turning round to tell the kids off etc. If you set up your sat nav before setting off you really do not need to touch it, I don't.
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And you don't really need to look at it either.eaststandmike said:Its a difficult one but phones seem to be a big problem. There are still plenty of people smoking in vehicles i.e. one hand on the wheel not two, changing CD's, eating, turning round to tell the kids off etc. If you set up your sat nav before setting off you really do not need to touch it, I don't.
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Yes, but if you know where you are going, it could be argued you can use more of your senses on the road. Compared to looking for street signs or even a map etc... if you are lost! Phone calls are different - there is no positive advantage to them whilst driving.ME14addick said:
If you're looking at a Sat Nav you are not concentrating on the road and that could be classed as driving without due care and attention.palarsehater said:
so i can carry on looking at the sat nav?? thought that was quite self explanatoryChizz said:
What possible reason could you have for needing to "clear a text message" while you are driving?palarsehater said:for example i use my iphone in a holder as my sat nav, is that classed as using a mobile?, if i touch the screen to clear a text message?.
thought it was a pretty normal question would have read better if i would of said notification of any sort be it text message, racing post notification, tweet notification.1 -
What other evidence is being used to implement these new changes then, apart from cameras here and there?randy andy said:
On the spot bans? How would that ever work? It's asking for massive problems, giving individual coppers the ability to in a moment ruins somebody's life, potentially permanently (if you need to drive for work then a 1 month ban could end your employment and ruin chances of future employment as well). So an overzealous copper does you for 32 in a 30 and you lose your job and potentially your home. It would almost certainly be illegal in this country to levy and on the spot ban without any due process involved, as well as breaking various laws on punishment needing to be proportionate to the crime.i_b_b_o_r_g said:If I could be so bold for one minute - In relation to the majority of minorish traffic offence, most fines are generally affordable to be paid in one lump by most drivers. If they really wanted to stamp these things out, they'd hand out on the spot bans (from 1 month for speeding etc. to life for drink driving etc.), with stiffer sentences for chavs who break their bans.
Could be described as another stealth tax, that does very well to get most people behind it. imo0 -
If your sat nav requires you to clear messages from it manually while driving, you need to get a better sat nav.palarsehater said:
so i can carry on looking at the sat nav?? thought that was quite self explanatoryChizz said:
What possible reason could you have for needing to "clear a text message" while you are driving?palarsehater said:for example i use my iphone in a holder as my sat nav, is that classed as using a mobile?, if i touch the screen to clear a text message?.
thought it was a pretty normal question would have read better if i would of said notification of any sort be it text message, racing post notification, tweet notification.1 -
Or he just needs greater clarity on the answer to the question he posed.Chizz said:
If your sat nav requires you to clear messages from it manually while driving, you need to get a better sat nav.palarsehater said:
so i can carry on looking at the sat nav?? thought that was quite self explanatoryChizz said:
What possible reason could you have for needing to "clear a text message" while you are driving?palarsehater said:for example i use my iphone in a holder as my sat nav, is that classed as using a mobile?, if i touch the screen to clear a text message?.
thought it was a pretty normal question would have read better if i would of said notification of any sort be it text message, racing post notification, tweet notification.1 -
OK. Don't use a sat nav that requires you to keep touching it while you drive.Big_Bad_World said:
Or he just needs greater clarity on the answer to the question he posed.Chizz said:
If your sat nav requires you to clear messages from it manually while driving, you need to get a better sat nav.palarsehater said:
so i can carry on looking at the sat nav?? thought that was quite self explanatoryChizz said:
What possible reason could you have for needing to "clear a text message" while you are driving?palarsehater said:for example i use my iphone in a holder as my sat nav, is that classed as using a mobile?, if i touch the screen to clear a text message?.
thought it was a pretty normal question would have read better if i would of said notification of any sort be it text message, racing post notification, tweet notification.0 -
Are there any formal advice/guidelines out there around these types of sat nav?Chizz said:
OK. Don't use a sat nav that requires you to keep touching it while you drive.Big_Bad_World said:
Or he just needs greater clarity on the answer to the question he posed.Chizz said:
If your sat nav requires you to clear messages from it manually while driving, you need to get a better sat nav.palarsehater said:
so i can carry on looking at the sat nav?? thought that was quite self explanatoryChizz said:
What possible reason could you have for needing to "clear a text message" while you are driving?palarsehater said:for example i use my iphone in a holder as my sat nav, is that classed as using a mobile?, if i touch the screen to clear a text message?.
thought it was a pretty normal question would have read better if i would of said notification of any sort be it text message, racing post notification, tweet notification.0 -
Yes. As it's a phone, there are clear guidelines.Big_Bad_World said:
Are there any formal advice/guidelines out there around these types of sat nav?Chizz said:
OK. Don't use a sat nav that requires you to keep touching it while you drive.Big_Bad_World said:
Or he just needs greater clarity on the answer to the question he posed.Chizz said:
If your sat nav requires you to clear messages from it manually while driving, you need to get a better sat nav.palarsehater said:
so i can carry on looking at the sat nav?? thought that was quite self explanatoryChizz said:
What possible reason could you have for needing to "clear a text message" while you are driving?palarsehater said:for example i use my iphone in a holder as my sat nav, is that classed as using a mobile?, if i touch the screen to clear a text message?.
thought it was a pretty normal question would have read better if i would of said notification of any sort be it text message, racing post notification, tweet notification.
If you’re the driver, you can only use your phone in a vehicle if you:
- need to call 999 or 112 in an emergency and it’s unsafe or impractical to stop, or
- are safely parked1 -
Does that apply to cab drivers that use the automated fare acceptance gadgets that require a tap or two on the screen?Chizz said:
Yes. As it's a phone, there are clear guidelines.Big_Bad_World said:
Are there any formal advice/guidelines out there around these types of sat nav?Chizz said:
OK. Don't use a sat nav that requires you to keep touching it while you drive.Big_Bad_World said:
Or he just needs greater clarity on the answer to the question he posed.Chizz said:
If your sat nav requires you to clear messages from it manually while driving, you need to get a better sat nav.palarsehater said:
so i can carry on looking at the sat nav?? thought that was quite self explanatoryChizz said:
What possible reason could you have for needing to "clear a text message" while you are driving?palarsehater said:for example i use my iphone in a holder as my sat nav, is that classed as using a mobile?, if i touch the screen to clear a text message?.
thought it was a pretty normal question would have read better if i would of said notification of any sort be it text message, racing post notification, tweet notification.
If you’re the driver, you can only use your phone in a vehicle if you:
- need to call 999 or 112 in an emergency and it’s unsafe or impractical to stop, or
- are safely parked1 - Sponsored links:
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You can use your phone as a sat nav. However, you are not allowed to touch it whilst driving, @palarsehaterChizz said:
Yes. As it's a phone, there are clear guidelines.Big_Bad_World said:
Are there any formal advice/guidelines out there around these types of sat nav?Chizz said:
OK. Don't use a sat nav that requires you to keep touching it while you drive.Big_Bad_World said:
Or he just needs greater clarity on the answer to the question he posed.Chizz said:
If your sat nav requires you to clear messages from it manually while driving, you need to get a better sat nav.palarsehater said:
so i can carry on looking at the sat nav?? thought that was quite self explanatoryChizz said:
What possible reason could you have for needing to "clear a text message" while you are driving?palarsehater said:for example i use my iphone in a holder as my sat nav, is that classed as using a mobile?, if i touch the screen to clear a text message?.
thought it was a pretty normal question would have read better if i would of said notification of any sort be it text message, racing post notification, tweet notification.
If you’re the driver, you can only use your phone in a vehicle if you:
- need to call 999 or 112 in an emergency and it’s unsafe or impractical to stop, or
- are safely parked0 -
I'm not a cab driver, so I wouldn't know. But I'd guess that, if the gadget isn't a mobile phone, then it doesn't apply.Big_Bad_World said:
Does that apply to cab drivers that use the automated fare acceptance gadgets that require a tap or two on the screen?Chizz said:
Yes. As it's a phone, there are clear guidelines.Big_Bad_World said:
Are there any formal advice/guidelines out there around these types of sat nav?Chizz said:
OK. Don't use a sat nav that requires you to keep touching it while you drive.Big_Bad_World said:
Or he just needs greater clarity on the answer to the question he posed.Chizz said:
If your sat nav requires you to clear messages from it manually while driving, you need to get a better sat nav.palarsehater said:
so i can carry on looking at the sat nav?? thought that was quite self explanatoryChizz said:
What possible reason could you have for needing to "clear a text message" while you are driving?palarsehater said:for example i use my iphone in a holder as my sat nav, is that classed as using a mobile?, if i touch the screen to clear a text message?.
thought it was a pretty normal question would have read better if i would of said notification of any sort be it text message, racing post notification, tweet notification.
If you’re the driver, you can only use your phone in a vehicle if you:
- need to call 999 or 112 in an emergency and it’s unsafe or impractical to stop, or
- are safely parked0 -
An audi?Rizzo said:Sat in a queue at the traffic lights at the crossroads in Blackfen last week. Some cnut behind me decided he didn't fancy that so he drove up onto the pavement, used that to avoid the crossroads completely and drove off down Blackfen Road, all whilst his mobile was glued to his ear.
One guess what make of car he was driving...0 -
Yep, if traffic OB spots you in the act you're busted.palarsehater said:for example i use my iphone in a holder as my sat nav, is that classed as using a mobile?, if i touch the screen to clear a text message?.
Raises the issue of moronic use of satnav too.
How many cars do you see with satnav screen unit stuck to windscreen at eye level bang in the driver's field of vision? Blocking a big percentage of the view forward. I commute 10 miles or so along M25 and see a few every day without fail. At night they show up glowing brightly. We have to repair screen chips bigger than 5mm, what impact on their view forward do these fucktards imagine a 6inch screen has?
Most routing apps on mobile phones aren't fit for purpose as in vehicle satnav precisely because their primary function is as advert portals for all the other apps and then txts and calls.
Obviously aimed at tv screens, vehicles in UK are prohibited from having a moving image visible to the driver, I'd expect the satnav screen to become an issue before long.7 -
Got it in one!ads said:
An audi?Rizzo said:Sat in a queue at the traffic lights at the crossroads in Blackfen last week. Some cnut behind me decided he didn't fancy that so he drove up onto the pavement, used that to avoid the crossroads completely and drove off down Blackfen Road, all whilst his mobile was glued to his ear.
One guess what make of car he was driving...0 -
I drive for a living, luckily have Bluetooth in the van.
See mobile phone use, day in, day out, and IMO, as someone who circumnavigates the M25 and surrounding towns daily, it's a generational thing.
Not entirely, but the majority I see are youngsters, and 20 somethings.
This generation has grown up with mobile phones as a pretty standard piece of kit, with the growth of social media and wanting to tell everybody about their life via FB, twitter, instagram, Snapchat, etc, its become the norm, look at school kids walking or too or from school, always with a phone in their hands. I don't believe they see the danger, or make the connection.
The older generation had 8 track, cassette tapes and cd's to distract them, changing any of those over must have been very distracting.
Personally I would double the fine, but if caught again, automatic 3 month ban.
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my satnav is inoperable whilst the vehicle is in motion .. it's a garminBig_Bad_World said:
Are there any formal advice/guidelines out there around these types of sat nav?Chizz said:
OK. Don't use a sat nav that requires you to keep touching it while you drive.Big_Bad_World said:
Or he just needs greater clarity on the answer to the question he posed.Chizz said:
If your sat nav requires you to clear messages from it manually while driving, you need to get a better sat nav.palarsehater said:
so i can carry on looking at the sat nav?? thought that was quite self explanatoryChizz said:
What possible reason could you have for needing to "clear a text message" while you are driving?palarsehater said:for example i use my iphone in a holder as my sat nav, is that classed as using a mobile?, if i touch the screen to clear a text message?.
thought it was a pretty normal question would have read better if i would of said notification of any sort be it text message, racing post notification, tweet notification.0 -
Hope you pulled over to the hard shoulder to post that.DA9 said:I drive for a living, luckily have Bluetooth in the van.
See mobile phone use, day in, day out, and IMO, as someone who circumnavigates the M25 and surrounding towns daily, it's a generational thing.
Not entirely, but the majority I see are youngsters, and 20 somethings.
This generation has grown up with mobile phones as a pretty standard piece of kit, with the growth of social media and wanting to tell everybody about their life via FB, twitter, instagram, Snapchat, etc, its become the norm, look at school kids walking or too or from school, always with a phone in their hands. I don't believe they see the danger, or make the connection.
The older generation had 8 track, cassette tapes and cd's to distract them, changing any of those over must have been very distracting.
Personally I would double the fine, but if caught again, automatic 3 month ban.5 -
I kind of agree regarding the generational thing. What I will say though is the 35-55 bracket talk on them more and have them against their ear where the younger generation tend to be doing what I think is worse in scrolling through them and looking at them. This is purely anecdotal mind youDA9 said:I drive for a living, luckily have Bluetooth in the van.
See mobile phone use, day in, day out, and IMO, as someone who circumnavigates the M25 and surrounding towns daily, it's a generational thing.
Not entirely, but the majority I see are youngsters, and 20 somethings.
This generation has grown up with mobile phones as a pretty standard piece of kit, with the growth of social media and wanting to tell everybody about their life via FB, twitter, instagram, Snapchat, etc, its become the norm, look at school kids walking or too or from school, always with a phone in their hands. I don't believe they see the danger, or make the connection.
The older generation had 8 track, cassette tapes and cd's to distract them, changing any of those over must have been very distracting.
Personally I would double the fine, but if caught again, automatic 3 month ban.1 -
Any punishment needs the police to enforce the law, which is part of the problem. But much harsher penalties are needed to prevent something that unnecessarily causes accidents and costs lives. If we were discussing anything else which caused even one or two deaths each year there would be an outcry and a demand for action.0
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Excellent move, it's as dangerous as drink driving. Speaking as a motorcyclist, People texting while driving should be banned then have the phone shoved up their arse.6
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People will still do it, whatever the punishment - so, don't police it but prevent it. It is very easy to stop people using a phone in a car - simply install (a statutory obligation) a piece of kit that disables all mobile signals within the car. It wouldn't affect sat nav as these are on different frequencies.
Anyone found tampering or disabling said equipment would face a very heavy punishment.0 -
Except phone based sat-nav doesn't use different frequencies in any way shape or form, and how would this app work? Would it disable all mobile devices (sorry kids, no games or internet for you on our long boring drive today), or would only the driver need to activate the app, in which case how do you enforce it, unless drivers must have the app installed, even if they're a passenger in the vehicle. There are just too many flaws with this idea. Enforcement is the only way, trying to find some technical solution, just like with speed camera, won't improve safety, it'll just cause it's own alternate issue whilst not addressing the core issue it was designed to deal with.bobmunro said:PWR
People will still do it, whatever the punishment - so, don't police it but prevent it. It is very easy to stop people using a phone in a car - simply install (a statutory obligation) a piece of kit that disables all mobile signals within the car. It wouldn't affect sat nav as these are on different frequencies.
Anyone found tampering or disabling said equipment would face a very heavy punishment.0 -
It would probably help if half the police cars I see on the roads weren't being driven by coppers who are on their effing mobiles!
It would also help if the coppers who aren't on their mobiles actually bothered to nick drivers who are.1 -
It's cars that are the problem, just ban them altogether.bobmunro said:PWR
People will still do it, whatever the punishment - so, don't police it but prevent it. It is very easy to stop people using a phone in a car - simply install (a statutory obligation) a piece of kit that disables all mobile signals within the car. It wouldn't affect sat nav as these are on different frequencies.
Anyone found tampering or disabling said equipment would face a very heavy punishment.2 -
"Use your mobile phone & drive as of today and you'll end up with more points on your licence than Charlton Athletic got throughout February....six"4
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I never said I'd thought it through!randy andy said:
Except phone based sat-nav doesn't use different frequencies in any way shape or form, and how would this app work? Would it disable all mobile devices (sorry kids, no games or internet for you on our long boring drive today), or would only the driver need to activate the app, in which case how do you enforce it, unless drivers must have the app installed, even if they're a passenger in the vehicle. There are just too many flaws with this idea. Enforcement is the only way, trying to find some technical solution, just like with speed camera, won't improve safety, it'll just cause it's own alternate issue whilst not addressing the core issue it was designed to deal with.bobmunro said:PWR
People will still do it, whatever the punishment - so, don't police it but prevent it. It is very easy to stop people using a phone in a car - simply install (a statutory obligation) a piece of kit that disables all mobile signals within the car. It wouldn't affect sat nav as these are on different frequencies.
Anyone found tampering or disabling said equipment would face a very heavy punishment.3 -
No not a macho thing, women driving land rover turning left whilst holding phone in her palm and talking.Lazy_eye_metaphor said:Drivers have to stop doing this. Period. There are so many hands free devices available now that there is absolutely no excuse. I get the feeling that with some it's considered a macho thing to do. This is intolerable and the penalties need to reflect that.
Still too lenient, 6 points and up to £5,000 .. more media campaigns .. so not just punishment but educational as well.0 -
I do its called my wife .. chance would be a fine thingChizz said:
OK. Don't use a sat nav that requires you to keep touching it while you drive.Big_Bad_World said:
Or he just needs greater clarity on the answer to the question he posed.Chizz said:
If your sat nav requires you to clear messages from it manually while driving, you need to get a better sat nav.palarsehater said:
so i can carry on looking at the sat nav?? thought that was quite self explanatoryChizz said:
What possible reason could you have for needing to "clear a text message" while you are driving?palarsehater said:for example i use my iphone in a holder as my sat nav, is that classed as using a mobile?, if i touch the screen to clear a text message?.
thought it was a pretty normal question would have read better if i would of said notification of any sort be it text message, racing post notification, tweet notification.0
