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World Map Distortion for Last 500 Years

I had to check today's date when I read this article. I had no idea that the map image of the world and the relative sizes of its continents, that I have been carrying in my head my entire life, was so inaccurate!

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2017/mar/19/boston-public-schools-world-map-mercator-peters-projection

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  • iainment
    iainment Posts: 8,040
    edited March 2017
    I remember when this was first published. Some 30 odd years ago.

    Serious geographers in the west use it. The rest of us seem to prefer Mercator's projection. Can't think why!
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,770
    http://thetruesize.com

    You can drag and drop countries around the map to compare their true relative sizes.
  • Uboat
    Uboat Posts: 12,196
    edited March 2017
    We've got a Peters Projection atlas in the house, which makes for a strange read, as all the pages use the same scale. Western Europe is almost on a double page and then you've got pages of Kazakhstan.
  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,256
    I love a bit of cartography - saw a great bit on ancient aliens once about 2 maps of Antarctica. Antoneus fontaneous and Piri Reis.

    2 maps of Antarctica supposedly drawn (quite accurately), prior to Antarctica being discovered

    Look them up. Really interesting
  • Fiiish
    Fiiish Posts: 7,998
    image
  • Dippenhall
    Dippenhall Posts: 3,919
    You can't flatten out an orange peel to fit onto a rectangular piece of paper, nor can the surface of the world.

    Surely all you need to do is look at a globe.
  • cafcfan
    cafcfan Posts: 11,198
    Mercator Projected. A half decent album by East of Eden in 1969. The first track was entitled Northern Hemisphere.
    On the album cover, the map is projected on to a naked female, which works for me.
  • Cardinal Sin
    Cardinal Sin Posts: 5,233
    The Sahara is the size of the United States!
  • Red_in_SE8
    Red_in_SE8 Posts: 5,961
    Here is a photo from space of Earth. South America looks more like the one in the Mercator projection rather than the supposedly more accurate Peters projection. I am confused!

    https://goo.gl/images/DX7Txi
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,355

    The Sahara is the size of the United States!

    exactly my thoughts .. and the Sahara is expanding
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  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,848

    Here is a photo from space of Earth. South America looks more like the one in the Mercator projection rather than the supposedly more accurate Peters projection. I am confused!

    https://goo.gl/images/DX7Txi

    The google image is three dimensional - southern South America is curving away from the viewer quite substantially. Pull it back out so it is in the same plane as say Mexico and it would look very much like the Peter's projection.
  • rananegra
    rananegra Posts: 3,690
    They do different things. The Peters projection is more accurate for area, Mercator for shape. So, Mercator has things looking roughly like they do on the globe, but squishes the tropics and makes countries towards the poles bigger. So you get shape, but area is skewed. A lot.
  • Fiiish
    Fiiish Posts: 7,998

    Here is a photo from space of Earth. South America looks more like the one in the Mercator projection rather than the supposedly more accurate Peters projection. I am confused!

    https://goo.gl/images/DX7Txi

    The problem is going from a round surface to the flat surface. The Mercator looks a lot more like the Earth does from space but land mass areas become distorted by the transition from round to flat.

    There are dozens of projections and it is lazy to consider one as more accurate than other because strictly speaking all of the accepted projections are accurate but in a different way. The Mercator is more useful than the Peters for navigation, for example. Peters is the gateway map to understanding why projections differ but is by no means the best projection we have. Classrooms ought to have a globe, not a flat map. Mercator is a decent map for representing where countries are in relation to each other and smaller countries are less likely to be squished together. Perhaps teachers should be encouraged to teach students about projections and show them side by side and discuss the pros and cons of each one, or even extrapolate it into a discussion on whether you can believe everything you see, or whether two different things can both be accurate. There is a lot of opportunity for lateral thinking or critical thought and it would be a shame if schools switched from just using one map to another without a discussion on why.
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,857

    Here is a photo from space of Earth. South America looks more like the one in the Mercator projection rather than the supposedly more accurate Peters projection. I am confused!

    https://goo.gl/images/DX7Txi

    Dont know what would happen but try drawing South America on a roundish object, then put a thin piece of paper around the object, trace the outline and then see what the shape is when you flatten the paper out.
  • charltonkeston
    charltonkeston Posts: 7,367
    The worlds maps looked and were better when the best part of them were coloured that nice pinkish red.
    I still use a pre 1920 atlas at work, it has all the important bits including the steamer routes.
  • cafcfan
    cafcfan Posts: 11,198
    edited March 2017
  • Rizzo
    Rizzo Posts: 6,435
    The episode of the West Wing where this was brought to CJ's attention was also my introduction to the Peters map. My reaction was very similar to hers!
  • colthe3rd
    colthe3rd Posts: 8,486

    Here is a photo from space of Earth. South America looks more like the one in the Mercator projection rather than the supposedly more accurate Peters projection. I am confused!

    https://goo.gl/images/DX7Txi

    You do realise that is quite heavily photoshopped?
  • SDAddick
    SDAddick Posts: 14,467
    edited March 2017
    Wow this is a nerdy thread. Love it.

    Let me just say, on behalf of America, if you want to be at the center of the map, then bloody well go out and get YOUR fast food restaurants, banks, and oil companies to conquer most of the known world!
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,274
    edited March 2017
    Love stuff like this, the world as we know it is skewed so heavily to the more influential, more developed western/"first" world as we know it.

    And then to think that the entire population of some of these vast countries would fit into London, or Tokyo, or Mexico City, and you start to realise just how fucking mental we as a species are
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  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,848
    sam3110 said:

    Love stuff like this, the world as we know it is skewed so heavily to the more influential, more developed western/"first" world as we know it.

    And then to think that the entire population of some of these vast countries would fit into London, or Tokyo, or Mexico City, and you start to realise just how fucking mental we as a species are

    It's all about climate - how much of the world's wealth is above and below the tropics of Cancer and Capricorn?
  • SuedeAdidas
    SuedeAdidas Posts: 7,743
    bobmunro said:

    sam3110 said:

    Love stuff like this, the world as we know it is skewed so heavily to the more influential, more developed western/"first" world as we know it.

    And then to think that the entire population of some of these vast countries would fit into London, or Tokyo, or Mexico City, and you start to realise just how fucking mental we as a species are

    It's all about climate - how much of the world's wealth is above and below the tropics of Cancer and Capricorn?
    My bit of it is....but I'm not sure how much that skews the figures?!?
  • MartinCAFC
    MartinCAFC Posts: 3,221
    The image on the Guardian article looks like somebody stretched the map on a PC screen using Paint.

    I'd always heard it said Africa in reality was far bigger than shown on the maps but i'd never seen it until now either, amazing really.
  • IA
    IA Posts: 6,103
    How about this map?

    image
  • Exiled_Addick
    Exiled_Addick Posts: 17,169
    They're all wrong.

    image
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,848
    image
  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,256
    http://www.ancientdestructions.com/oronteus-finaeus-map-antarctica-fineus/

    My mistake - Oronteus Finaeus & Piri Reis maps were polar ice cap free maps of Antarctica
  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,027
    This is the map that counts:

    Charlton Tube 2
  • Siv_in_Norfolk
    Siv_in_Norfolk Posts: 4,057

    They're all wrong.

    image

    Had a look at their site expecting it to be spoof and parody... but... it actually seems genuine!