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The 2017 Summer Transfer Rumours Thread (Deadline Day from page 264)

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  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,386
    Might be a case that he can go once a replacement can be signed.
  • IT_Andy
    IT_Andy Posts: 477
    I thought KR wanted to get rid of players who didn't want to be at the club or who just weren't good enough. So to find out nobody else is leaving must mean some of those are still there. Its not going to be a good season if they still have an influence on the team.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,386
    Or it means no one wants to leave? Or at least that no one wants to buy those players.
  • johnny73
    johnny73 Posts: 4,567
    Or it means that Robinson knows he will not get a replacement for anyone who leaves and it's safer to 'stick than twist'.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,629
    If we lose Magennis through injury then at present we are completely screwed. Novak is effectively on trial with Robinson and in any case I don't think could replace Magennis.

    It's so typical of this regime to leave the squad so vulnerable in lack of cover in some positions.

    They should take note of the Marshall injury situation. Magennis gets time on the sidelines and all of the other plans for team and promotion push go south.

  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,176
    Novak's a decent player. I really liked him when he was at Huddersfield and he had a great spell at Chesterfield. I think he is a player who goes through phases, and hopefully that's not the case for his whole Charlton career. He's not been good for us, there's no denying that, but in theory Magennis up front with Novak as a back-up should work. The problem we have is I think after it didn't work last season we could do with bringing someone else in to freshen the frontline up. I'd rather shift Watt, bring in a goalscorer and keep Novak around to give him a chance to improve but I'm worried we aren't looking at any strikers at all
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,236
    I think Novak is better, and slimmer, that most fans give him credit for.

    If anyone is leaving I think it will be Watt and/or Sarr.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,129
    Henry Irving said:

    I think Novak is better, and slimmer, that most fans give him credit for.

    If anyone is leaving I think it will be Watt and/or Sarr.

    Novak is an intelligent player. Gets himself into good positions but the service wasn't always there last season.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,883
    Robinson has twice loaned out Ajose and kept Novak, I'm sure he sees Novak as one of his strikers for this season
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,236
    The Red Robin said:

    Henry Irving said:

    I think Novak is better, and slimmer, that most fans give him credit for.

    If anyone is leaving I think it will be Watt and/or Sarr.

    Novak is an intelligent player. Gets himself into good positions but the service wasn't always there last season.
    Agree and has scored goals before.

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  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Shocking comment I know, but following what Henry said, I would rather have Novak around than Watt.
    I would want a new striker in though.
  • OhEddieYouds
    OhEddieYouds Posts: 744
    Henry Irving said:

    The Red Robin said:

    Henry Irving said:

    I think Novak is better, and slimmer, that most fans give him credit for.

    If anyone is leaving I think it will be Watt and/or Sarr.

    Novak is an intelligent player. Gets himself into good positions but the service wasn't always there last season.
    Agree and has scored goals before.
    Weren't a lot of his Chesterfield goals penalties? I just see him as another Paul Hayes. Nice bloke but not good enough to be the 2nd striker in a promotion team. Powell brought Yann in because he knew that about Hayes. I just hope KR does the same. Magennis and Novak is nowhere near the level needed (BWP & Yann calibre) to get promoted.
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,330
    The point I agree is that I don't think Mag and Novak are quite good enough.

    As an aside, I hope Rolly does not know that Mag was a goalkeeper.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,335
    Magennis isn't good enough? Fucksake
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Leuth said:

    Magennis isn't good enough? Fucksake

    Magennis is going to have a rival in the articulate interview stakes at Charlton, and that threat comes from an emerging Aaron Barnes who interviews very well too.

    Andrew Crofts has bagged the 'King of the Cliché' jersey for as long as he wants to stay.

    We need another striker but not because Magennis isn't good enough by the way.
  • sinceiwasyoung
    sinceiwasyoung Posts: 1,040
    We desperately need a new striker . If Mag gets injured we will be in trouble .
  • dickplumb
    dickplumb Posts: 4,835
    seth plum said:

    Leuth said:

    Magennis isn't good enough? Fucksake

    Magennis is going to have a rival in the articulate interview stakes at Charlton, and that threat comes from an emerging Aaron Barnes who interviews very well too.

    Andrew Crofts has bagged the 'King of the Cliché' jersey for as long as he wants to stay.

    We need another striker but not because Magennis isn't good enough by the way.
    Aaron Barnes Dad is very lucid and eloquent. I have spoken to him many times. Very nice man.

  • J BLOCK
    J BLOCK Posts: 8,315
    sinceiwasyoung said:

    We desperately need a new striker . If Mag gets injured we will be in trouble .

    sinceiwasyoung said:

    We desperately need a new striker . If Mag gets injured we will be in trouble .

    Disagree. We have Novak and to a lesser extent Watt, we play one up top, remember that.

    Would rather see a winger and a goalkeeper brought in.
  • harveys_gardener
    harveys_gardener Posts: 7,038
    Malvididi in talks with Wigan about a loan deal according to currant bun.

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  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    dickplumb said:

    seth plum said:

    Leuth said:

    Magennis isn't good enough? Fucksake

    Magennis is going to have a rival in the articulate interview stakes at Charlton, and that threat comes from an emerging Aaron Barnes who interviews very well too.

    Andrew Crofts has bagged the 'King of the Cliché' jersey for as long as he wants to stay.

    We need another striker but not because Magennis isn't good enough by the way.
    Aaron Barnes Dad is very lucid and eloquent. I have spoken to him many times. Very nice man.

    Yes indeed. Dr Barnes no less, great company.
  • Viewfinder
    Viewfinder Posts: 4,912
    I think what Redrobo means is that Magennis isn't likely to score the 20 goals in a season required of a striker in a team gaining promotion - and I agree with him.

    I rate Magennis highly; he brings a toughness to our forward play, and is as much a provider as a finisher. There was a period last season when he resembled Kermorgant, belying his average height by winning high balls from defensive clearances and nodding on for his partner - who failed him. Ajose was too distant, or in the wrong place - lacking the positional sense of BWP - and didn't fight for the scraps.

    We need a proven scorer, and on the evidence so far Novak is not the man. He hasn't shown the decisive sharpness necessary in front of goal - remember that appalling miss at Wimbledon? I saw him fail like that at The Valley, too.

    I'm deeply sceptical about Robinson's system of playing a single striker; it's not ambitious enough, especially at home, and presupposes that our wingers and midfielders are consistently capable of getting past defenders and sending the killer pass. Holmes can do it, but I'm not convinced about the others.
  • harveys_gardener
    harveys_gardener Posts: 7,038
    I'm also wary of one striker particularly at home in his 4-2-3-1. Also we seem very vunerable at set plays. I was worried about our lack of height when Powell rebuilt but it wasn't a problem. We now have only Josh and two CBs over 5'10" unless Konsa or Djickstell play in midfield. A smallish keeper, inexperienced at claiming high crosses. And two rookie coaches who played mostly midfield so don't know the nuances of defending high balls.
  • Covered_End_Lad
    Covered_End_Lad Posts: 5,726
    harveys_gardener said:

    I'm also wary of one striker particularly at home in his 4-2-3-1. Also we seem very vunerable at set plays. I was worried about our lack of height when Powell rebuilt but it wasn't a problem. We now have only Josh and two CBs over 5'10" unless Konsa or Djickstell play in midfield. A smallish keeper, inexperienced at claiming high crosses. And two rookie coaches who played mostly midfield so don't know the nuances of defending high balls.

    How many nuances can there be for defending high balls? I can think of only one - "get your f*cking head on it son!"
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,683
    harveys_gardener said:

    I'm also wary of one striker particularly at home in his 4-2-3-1. Also we seem very vunerable at set plays. I was worried about our lack of height when Powell rebuilt but it wasn't a problem. We now have only Josh and two CBs over 5'10" unless Konsa or Djickstell play in midfield. A smallish keeper, inexperienced at claiming high crosses. And two rookie coaches who played mostly midfield so don't know the nuances of defending high balls.

    Agree with most of what you say,although Jackson despite being a midfielder would come back and defend corners and free kicks so I believe he does know the nuances of defending high balls
  • harveys_gardener
    harveys_gardener Posts: 7,038
    Covered_End_Lad said:

    harveys_gardener said:

    I'm also wary of one striker particularly at home in his 4-2-3-1. Also we seem very vunerable at set plays. I was worried about our lack of height when Powell rebuilt but it wasn't a problem. We now have only Josh and two CBs over 5'10" unless Konsa or Djickstell play in midfield. A smallish keeper, inexperienced at claiming high crosses. And two rookie coaches who played mostly midfield so don't know the nuances of defending high balls.

    How many nuances can there be for defending high balls? I can think of only one - "get your f*cking head on it son!"
    If you only have three players likely to "get your f*cking head on it son!" then you have to have a plan on where to place them, MtM or zonal, is there room for the keeper to claim and many more. If it were that simple, why are we so shit at doing it?
  • Covered_End_Lad
    Covered_End_Lad Posts: 5,726
    harveys_gardener said:

    Covered_End_Lad said:

    harveys_gardener said:

    I'm also wary of one striker particularly at home in his 4-2-3-1. Also we seem very vunerable at set plays. I was worried about our lack of height when Powell rebuilt but it wasn't a problem. We now have only Josh and two CBs over 5'10" unless Konsa or Djickstell play in midfield. A smallish keeper, inexperienced at claiming high crosses. And two rookie coaches who played mostly midfield so don't know the nuances of defending high balls.

    How many nuances can there be for defending high balls? I can think of only one - "get your f*cking head on it son!"
    If you only have three players likely to "get your f*cking head on it son!" then you have to have a plan on where to place them, MtM or zonal, is there room for the keeper to claim and many more. If it were that simple, why are we so shit at doing it?
    I was joking...
  • Sage
    Sage Posts: 7,278
    harveys_gardener said:

    Malvididi in talks with Wigan about a loan deal according to currant bun.

    I know Robinson admitted they maybe didn't look after him as well as they should've done. But if Wigan sign Mavididi and we don't, I'll be a bit disappointed as I really think he could do well for us. Either up front or one of the 3 behind.
  • OhEddieYouds
    OhEddieYouds Posts: 744
    edited July 2017
    Wigan's strikeforce of Omar Bogle and Will Grigg is already stronger than ours. Them signing Mavididi as well will give them a far stronger 3 than our trio of Magennis, Novak and Watt. We litterally have 1 good striker and that is it. When he's on international duty or injured our games will be like the first half of Stevenage yesterday....we'll dominate possession but go in at half time with no advantage because we can't score.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,787
    https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/charlton-athletic-need-to-splash-the-cash-on-this-765k-rated-shot-stopper-to-address-keeper-shortage/

    Not even a rumour. Just some guy called Ryan White saying we should buy Chelsea's longest serving player that's never played.

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