Apologies if this has been covered before, but could the Jimmy Seed Stand be rebuilt as a double decker (were we to be in the position of needing increased capacity)? I imaging there would be planning permission difficulties, although I seem to remember that it was something that had been proposed before relegation from the PL?
Yes there were plans to eventually extend to 40,000.
Apologies if this has been covered before, but could the Jimmy Seed Stand be rebuilt as a double decker (were we to be in the position of needing increased capacity)? I imaging there would be planning permission difficulties, although I seem to remember that it was something that had been proposed before relegation from the PL?
Yes there were plans to eventually extend to 40,000.
Flats have now been built where the new upper east tier would be. Does this mean that The south and corners are the only areas that can now be redeveloped.
Apologies if this has been covered before, but could the Jimmy Seed Stand be rebuilt as a double decker (were we to be in the position of needing increased capacity)? I imaging there would be planning permission difficulties, although I seem to remember that it was something that had been proposed before relegation from the PL?
Yes there were plans to eventually extend to 40,000.
Apologies if this has been covered before, but could the Jimmy Seed Stand be rebuilt as a double decker (were we to be in the position of needing increased capacity)? I imaging there would be planning permission difficulties, although I seem to remember that it was something that had been proposed before relegation from the PL?
Yes there were plans to eventually extend to 40,000.
Apologies if this has been covered before, but could the Jimmy Seed Stand be rebuilt as a double decker (were we to be in the position of needing increased capacity)? I imaging there would be planning permission difficulties, although I seem to remember that it was something that had been proposed before relegation from the PL?
Yes there were plans to eventually extend to 40,000.
Hasn’t Airman already told us previously that evacuation issues would now be a problem in doing very much with the east and Jimmy Seed stand because of the housing developments.
There’s now a construction methodology and evacuation issue with the east stand in particular - however the majority of the capacity potential is at the Jimmy Seed stand end. You would only get 3,000 extra from the east and the south-east corner even if it’s still acceptable in planning terms, which I doubt.
There is potential to create a new access via The Heights. It’s a major piece of engineering work and there are other issues, but still much cheaper than a new stadium.
Wasn't the main thinking around the east stand expansion more about corporate boxes increasing the number and quality of them? And as you say the work on the east stand would have had a minimal impact on capacity.
big money is in reaching Premier League and or Corporate boxes, plenty of scope for the latter at the Valley, same time can se surrender part of the West for away fans instead, ta
Apologies if this has been covered before, but could the Jimmy Seed Stand be rebuilt as a double decker (were we to be in the position of needing increased capacity)? I imaging there would be planning permission difficulties, although I seem to remember that it was something that had been proposed before relegation from the PL?
Yes there were plans to eventually extend to 40,000.
Apologies if this has been covered before, but could the Jimmy Seed Stand be rebuilt as a double decker (were we to be in the position of needing increased capacity)? I imaging there would be planning permission difficulties, although I seem to remember that it was something that had been proposed before relegation from the PL?
Yes there were plans to eventually extend to 40,000.
Flats have now been built where the new upper east tier would be. Does this mean that The south and corners are the only areas that can now be redeveloped.
Really disappointed those plans see no place for the Jimmy Seed statue. #notinmyname ;-)
David blitzer and Joshua Harris the 2 Americans who splashed the cash to acquire 18% each of "the Surrey club" must have intentions to move the club from down town Thornton heath to swanky Surrey which is 50% of their fan base if/when they get the majority holding. Joshua Harris must be the same dude who did due diligences on Charlton with we are led to believe the intention of leaving the valley.
To be fair @The_President does raise some valid arguments about the Club moving away from the Valley.
As a Luddite dinosaur, I don’t think he does in any way shape or form. Clubs move grounds primarily for two reasons 1. they have outgrown over a consistent period their existing one or 2. their old ground has fallen into such disrepair or in need of modernisation that it would cost too much money to address without further benefits.
Quite simply The Valley IS Charlton Athletic.
In our history of bland, non-achievement the successful fight the supporters went through to secure its return is the one shining light that provides our identity and makes us stand out as a club. It is adequately modernised and sustainable for the next 20 years at least, and currently we are only a third filling it.
Even after a period of relative success we can see how flakey our newly gained support was ten years down the line. We are not West Ham with a 250k plus historic support base to tap into and we cannot currently sell more than 4 executive boxes.
Pres said he would happily up sticks, move ground, change our name, our badge and our colours etc if it looked like delivering more football success. He’s probably not alone in that, but that to me is Wimbledon / MK Dons and i have to question why anyone is so uncomfortable or wishing to change what is fundamentally our own skin, our identity, and as someone raised yesterday, why you have been seeking to drive and lead protests when the heart of those protests is very much based on the threat and disregard to the club’s identity. With the greatest respect, I just don’t get it.
This club still it has its base and core at heart and needs rebuilding, and I’m sure it will with realism that there is probably a ceiling to potential achievement over the medium term.
What it doesn’t need is ground moves for non-football reasons, and it never ever ever needs to change its name.
And if that makes me a Luddite dinosaur then I’m very proud to be one.
Got that off my chest :-)
Can't argue with any of that.
However, I felt the point that @The_President was making if that we want to successfully compete at the very highest level of football then it's unlikely that The Valley would be able to support that without massive re-development and the subsequent investment in local infra structure to support 40K fans turning up three times a month.
Thankfully, the likes of Red Bull won't be our new owners and therefore the whole argument is hypothetical.
Massive redevelopment and investment in local infrastructure is also required at Morden Wharf. The spivs identified a timescale of eight or nine years in 2012-13 (in part because of planning and land ownership issues) in a process that hasn’t even started - nobody is moving to the peninsula in the foreseeable future, whether a move has any merits or not.
The spiv ownership collapsed in part because it was not clear that a peninsula scheme with a stadium could ever be delivered. Hard nosed major investors looked at it and walked away because they were not persuaded it could be stacked up.
I'm sure there are more sites that are viable rather than just the peninsula though.
Yes, we could move into Wembley, become RB London and have big crowds and trophies.
That would be OK for the President.
It wouldn't be ok for me.
There just isn't a business case for moving to a new stadium in SE London now or in the near future.
The resale value of the valley land wouldn't cover the costs of a new ground and the increased income potential could more easily be achieved by rebuilding the Valley.
I'm not saying we can never leave but the new has to be a significant benefit above the current to make it viable or justifiable.
More importantly, it just ain't happening.
Let's cross that bridge when and if we ever get to it.
We haven't even got rid of Duchatelet yet.
Keep your eye on the prize.
Where has Wembley come from ?? Has it recently moved to South-East London ??
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Won't you come on in?
Miracles, I guess
Still happen now and then
There’s already a London club with a stupid name, large bowl shaped stadium and a dodgy Kit - they’re called Arsenal
Maybe go support them?
#notinmyname
;-)
Perhaps there’s someone in the directors box?
Over to you.
Has it recently moved to South-East London ??