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2018 FIFA World Cup Thread
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Yeah I hadn't even considered the climate/temperature which mitigates things massively. As I say i'm not going to argue with a sports scientist you know a hell of a lot more than I do!Sage said:
That was just one example I used between Germany and Brazil as you mentioned the difference between the top two in that graph. There can be many other examples that you can pull apart to look at a stat differently.Manicmania said:
Take your point but Germany were chasing the game from very early on, and it was a high tempo game, bourne out by the high placing of Mexico on the same chart. Brazil have a far more relaxed style and let the ball do the work. That would be my answer.Sage said:
Oh there almost certainly is. I’m not going to deny or hide the fact that cheating goes on all the time, be it performance enhancers or what, Russian’s are known for it.Manicmania said:not going to argue with a sports scientist... would you say there is nothing suspect in there being such a big relative gap between the top and the rest though?
But at the same time, it could just be that they’re much more hyped up for it and willing to cover the extra distance. You could ask the same question as to why is there such a big gap between Germany and Brazil.
It could have been adrenaline I suppose but Russia are quite an aging team aren't they so it is quite a surprising stat even without the other factors you mentioned previously.
@ForeverAddickted made an interesting point about the location of the games. Climate, humidity and temperatures all will have its own factoring. The tempo of the games being played, the tactical play and decisions made prior to the game will influence how much distance is covered. But the thing with this stat is it is so generic you can’t assume anything without more variable data.
It would be more valid at the end of the tournament and produced as an average to fairly distribute the data.
Right now, I don’t think you can read anything into what it says. But of course as I have mentioned, there could well be some form of cheating/enhancement happening, but right now that isn’t a conclusion I would be looking to.1 -
It’s not an argument but a very valid discussion. It is not often I can have these kind of conversations with people other than my peers but that isn’t too often either. It is good.Manicmania said:
Yeah I hadn't even considered the climate/temperature which mitigates things massively. As I say i'm not going to argue with a sports scientist you know a hell of a lot more than I do!Sage said:
That was just one example I used between Germany and Brazil as you mentioned the difference between the top two in that graph. There can be many other examples that you can pull apart to look at a stat differently.Manicmania said:
Take your point but Germany were chasing the game from very early on, and it was a high tempo game, bourne out by the high placing of Mexico on the same chart. Brazil have a far more relaxed style and let the ball do the work. That would be my answer.Sage said:
Oh there almost certainly is. I’m not going to deny or hide the fact that cheating goes on all the time, be it performance enhancers or what, Russian’s are known for it.Manicmania said:not going to argue with a sports scientist... would you say there is nothing suspect in there being such a big relative gap between the top and the rest though?
But at the same time, it could just be that they’re much more hyped up for it and willing to cover the extra distance. You could ask the same question as to why is there such a big gap between Germany and Brazil.
It could have been adrenaline I suppose but Russia are quite an aging team aren't they so it is quite a surprising stat even without the other factors you mentioned previously.
@ForeverAddickted made an interesting point about the location of the games. Climate, humidity and temperatures all will have its own factoring. The tempo of the games being played, the tactical play and decisions made prior to the game will influence how much distance is covered. But the thing with this stat is it is so generic you can’t assume anything without more variable data.
It would be more valid at the end of the tournament and produced as an average to fairly distribute the data.
Right now, I don’t think you can read anything into what it says. But of course as I have mentioned, there could well be some form of cheating/enhancement happening, but right now that isn’t a conclusion I would be looking to.1 -
Showing yer age there mateGoonerhater said:some of thr play acting is worse than Crossroads
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What a double save!!...0
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Notice that the Ref for this game is from Uruguay
Surely thats another conflict of interest seeing that the winners of this match could end up facing Uruguay0 -
Unlucky for Iran, thought they'd scored one end then go and score an own goal at their end0
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Good for the game.0
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Clive Tyldsey is such a tit. Costa scores. “Don’t you worry about that he will claim it” errrr, he doesn’t need to Clive, he scored it.1
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Iran might as well have a go now, no difference whether they lose one nil or four nil it's all down to the Portugal game for them1
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"Pass to Isco, Iran dont pick it up" - Yeah just ignore the Iranian who runs in to nick the ball before it gets to Isco!!ricky_otto said:Clive Tyldsey is such a tit. Costa scores. “Don’t you worry about that he will claim it” errrr, he doesn’t need to Clive, he scored it.
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Most teams who park 2 buses when defending don't get 4 in the box when attacking.
I think their legs may go in the last ten.0 -
It’s time for Reza to add a bit of muscle to the Iranian attack.2
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wow wow wow
edit oh f off VAR0 -
Yes. Love that.0
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WTF... I didnt see a foul0
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Nooo that werent offside0
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why are they only showing it once? Scared of people analysing it too much??1
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Iran look quite good when they attack, and Spain a bit shaky defensively, which will be of interest to other teams1
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Spain are awful. Will go out to anyone half decent.2
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Think he was slightly off IMO, only a leg but still part of him was offsideForeverAddickted said:Nooo that werent offside
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If Iran play like this against Portugal and nulify Ronaldo, they're not out of this themselves1
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Offside, Iran forwards went to early as free kick was initially dummied and then other player took it which meant the Iran attack had already moved beyond the defenders. Crap free kick.0
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Good call by VAR.0
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Garrhh one of the biggest annoyances in Football for mepaulie8290 said:
Think he was slightly off IMO, only a leg but still part of him was offsideForeverAddickted said:Nooo that werent offside
WHOLE ball has to be over a line to count, PART of a man to be beyond the last man to be offside0 -
I think its the second ball that was offside. Hate to say it but that is a good call - but that is what VAR should be used for black and white calls. No need for interpretation. That should be the take-away from this tournament about VAR no country can lodge a formal complaint about a decision like that.0
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Any part of the body that can score a goal is deemed offside.ForeverAddickted said:
Garrhh one of the biggest annoyances in Football for mepaulie8290 said:
Think he was slightly off IMO, only a leg but still part of him was offsideForeverAddickted said:Nooo that werent offside
WHOLE ball has to be over a line to count, PART of a man to be beyond the last man to be offside1 -
Spain stroke the ball around like its a computer game2
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Its not just because I'm an atheist that I found the sight of an Iranian praying to his god for thanks for his goal, while the new god VAR was disallowing it, funny.1
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isn't that hand-ball there it looked like it to me on the replay0
