CAST Need to act
"As a member of CAST I wish to register my complete and utter horror at the current plight of the club with
Our best player assets being sold a below their value to raise cash for the owner
Miserly cost cutting at the Valley and Sparrows Lane
No new information to supporters on the possible sale of the club
Low season ticket sales
All the above indicate that the owner has no regard for our club and definitely no regard whatsoever for the supporters.
As the only group representing supporters I am a little concerned that you are not doing more to publicise our plight, a Sky interview before the Sunderland game would have been helpful, or another meeting with the owner’s representative.
I hope your silence is because you are busily organising something and not just sitting on your hands.
This is a crucial time in the history of our club and the Trust need to act"
The only thing that I have done is join ROT today and I urge all of you to do likewise as it seems that RD only becomes upset is when he is challenged in his neighbourhood. He has challenged and upset us in ours let us do more of the same to him.
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CAST will not be talking to anyone at the club until that awful manager apologises for an incident 17 years ago.39
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You need some higher profile individuals to speak out.
Far too many have stayed silent for far too long.1 -
Failure to act would be a huge mistake. Protests were originally snubbed as it might affect the sale.....well in my opinion that day has long passed. The owner has got to realise that we are not going anywhere and needs to sell. I ask CAST and CARD to step up because nobody else will.11
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We need to have a survey on this first28
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Why is everyone talking about Roland and ignoring the aussies
The last hold up we heard was an issue with the Aussies.
What we need to do is harp on at them, why havent they bought the club yet.
What is the hold up
Who is causing the issues
Why hasnt this been sorted yet.
And if all that comes back as its all Rolands fault then carry on.
But ATM the Aussies need to take some blame and heat as well IMO.
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yeah and whilst at it why not ask the same of the Saudis, the Scottish Group, Red Bull etc etc. Let's not distract from the fact this is ALL the fault of one man, and one man only, Roland Twoshits.paulie8290 said:Why is everyone talking about Roland and ignoring the aussies
The last hold up we heard was an issue with the Aussies.
What we need to do is harp on at them, why havent they bought the club yet.
What is the hold up
Who is causing the issues
Why hasnt this been sorted yet.
And if all that comes back as its all Rolands fault then carry on.
But ATM the Aussies need to take some blame and heat as well IMO.
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CAST have no teeth, IMHO. What needs to happen is for Lee Bowyer and JJ to walk out and for the players to go on strike. Who are the EFL going to call to account if we don’t fulfill a fixture? We don’t have a CEO, we don’t have s CFO. We do have an absent owner and a toothless non-exec Director. It’s only the players that can bring this to a head now ...16
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It's a valid point Paulie mate, but that, in a fucking great coconut shell, is the issue here.paulie8290 said:Why is everyone talking about Roland and ignoring the aussies
The last hold up we heard was an issue with the Aussies.
What we need to do is harp on at them, why havent they bought the club yet.
What is the hold up
Who is causing the issues
Why hasnt this been sorted yet.
And if all that comes back as its all Rolands fault then carry on.
But ATM the Aussies need to take some blame and heat as well IMO.
No one, on either side, involved in this murky and protracted business has had the balls or decency to even give us, the lifeblood of this football club, the tiniest snippet of what is causing the delay. Nothing, not even the steam off their own excrement.
They will know all about the pain and grief they are causing us and yet don't have the decency, wherewithal or bottle to offer something genuine. They honestly don't give a choir boy's cassock mate.
I know it's business and all that excuse laden malarkey; it's also bloody spineless.
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100% spot on_MrDick said:CAST have no teeth, IMHO. What needs to happen is for Lee Bowyer and JJ to walk out and for the players to go on strike. Who are the EFL going to call to account if we don’t fulfill a fixture? We don’t have a CEO, we don’t have s CFO. We do have an absent owner and a toothless non-exec Director. It’s only the players that can bring this to a head now ...
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How about supporting something that is already working to get Roland out?
It's a one off, extremely timely initiative - ROT.
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And you heard that from the spokesperson from the football club, who we know have lied on each of the previous communications about the takeover (two parties, agreed pricing, end of February, just down to the EFL, etc etc).paulie8290 said:Why is everyone talking about Roland and ignoring the aussies
The last hold up we heard was an issue with the Aussies.
The Aussies are covered by an NDA and cannot say anything with RD's consent, hence the joint statement in late May. We simply do not know what the hold up is, but what we all agree is that RD is killing our club, and has been for the last two years or more. Blame him, nobody else.16 -
Don't think we can just wait for that, to be honest. More needs to happen and more quickly, in a place where many people can get involved more easily. We need to make the football authorities and the local authorities uncomfortable here.Arsenetatters said:How about supporting something that is already working to get Roland out?
It's a one off, extremely timely initiative - ROT.38 -
It’s easy to say they have no teeth or CARD have lost the plot or ROT are this or that but as soon as any of these groups try and do something positive to rid CAFC of RD they get a torrent of abuse from fans many of who flip flop from one week to the next. Until everyone wants this tosser gone “it is what it is”_MrDick said:CAST have no teeth, IMHO. What needs to happen is for Lee Bowyer and JJ to walk out and for the players to go on strike. Who are the EFL going to call to account if we don’t fulfill a fixture? We don’t have a CEO, we don’t have s CFO. We do have an absent owner and a toothless non-exec Director. It’s only the players that can bring this to a head now ...
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CAST seem to be gutless, more interested in slagging our manager than the owner.
As I've said before, sadly will be cancelling my renewal unless they wake up and smell the coffee. They need to actually do something other than have another fucking survey.0 -
Of course CAST is "doing something". Three of us (one of whom is supposed to be on holiday) have spent most of our weekend on it. But it's the nature of Supporter Trust stuff that it is prepared with care and below the radar until such time as we have something concrete to report.
There is absolutely no point in the Trust trying to duplicate either CARD or ROT efforts to generate public attention to our plight. Indeed we are part of CARD, that is the whole point of it. Within the CARD team you have at least two people who are media professionals, and better placed to understand and activate the media than anyone within the Trust Board. That is the strength of the Coalition.
And as for ROT? Well, see you in Sint-Truiden sometime soon.
Roland Out Today.13 -
Is this the same coalition that cannot agree on a ST boycott?PragueAddick said:That is the strength of the Coalition.
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Yeah let’s dig out our own fans, especially those who give up their spare time trying to do the right thing.Hartleypete said:CAST seem to be gutless, more interested in slagging our manager than the owner.
As I've said before, sadly will be cancelling my renewal unless they wake up and smell the coffee. They need to actually do something other than have another fucking survey.10 -
do you have anything particular in mind? A demo outside EFL headquarters?Airman Brown said:
Don't think we can just wait for that, to be honest. More needs to happen and more quickly, in a place where many people can get involved more easily. We need to make the football authorities and the local authorities uncomfortable here.Arsenetatters said:How about supporting something that is already working to get Roland out?
It's a one off, extremely timely initiative - ROT.2 -
CAST need to buy the tank...0
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hoping a CARD announcement for Saturday is imminent...Airman Brown said:
Don't think we can just wait for that, to be honest. More needs to happen and more quickly, in a place where many people can get involved more easily. We need to make the football authorities and the local authorities uncomfortable here.Arsenetatters said:How about supporting something that is already working to get Roland out?
It's a one off, extremely timely initiative - ROT.1 -
RD cares about his fixed assets. What can be done to decrease the value of his fixed assets ?Airman Brown said:
Don't think we can just wait for that, to be honest. More needs to happen and more quickly, in a place where many people can get involved more easily. We need to make the football authorities and the local authorities uncomfortable here.Arsenetatters said:How about supporting something that is already working to get Roland out?
It's a one off, extremely timely initiative - ROT.1 -
Richard - it would have been helpful if you and your fellow CASTs had informed us mere supporters that you actually intend to do something rather than waste time sniping at others on CL who might just possibly hold a different view.PragueAddick said:Of course CAST is "doing something". Three of us (one of whom is supposed to be on holiday) have spent most of our weekend on it. But it's the nature of Supporter Trust stuff that it is prepared with care and below the radar until such time as we have something concrete to report.
There is absolutely no point in the Trust trying to duplicate either CARD or ROT efforts to generate public attention to our plight. Indeed we are part of CARD, that is the whole point of it. Within the CARD team you have at least two people who are media professionals, and better placed to understand and activate the media than anyone within the Trust Board. That is the strength of the Coalition.
And as for ROT? Well, see you in Sint-Truiden sometime soon.
Roland Out Today.
As far as I know, and that is very little, CARD and CAST are doing nothing and in a way treating us no better than we are treated by the club. So please keep us informed without giving away important information.
As for your Sint-Truiden remark I find it difficult enough to travel to the Valley, but as you wouldn't know that I suggest that you keep such a glib remark to yourself.3 -
I agree and I could be described as a flip flopper.Nug said:
It’s easy to say they have no teeth or CARD have lost the plot or ROT are this or that but as soon as any of these groups try and do something positive to rid CAFC of RD they get a torrent of abuse from fans many of who flip flop from one week to the next. Until everyone wants this tosser gone “it is what it is”_MrDick said:CAST have no teeth, IMHO. What needs to happen is for Lee Bowyer and JJ to walk out and for the players to go on strike. Who are the EFL going to call to account if we don’t fulfill a fixture? We don’t have a CEO, we don’t have s CFO. We do have an absent owner and a toothless non-exec Director. It’s only the players that can bring this to a head now ...
I think the key is to have a plan that will unite the fans.
The boycott plan divided the fans. (I'm not criticising).1 -
Saturday at 3pm?LargeAddick said:
do you have anything particular in mind? A demo outside EFL headquarters?Airman Brown said:
Don't think we can just wait for that, to be honest. More needs to happen and more quickly, in a place where many people can get involved more easily. We need to make the football authorities and the local authorities uncomfortable here.Arsenetatters said:How about supporting something that is already working to get Roland out?
It's a one off, extremely timely initiative - ROT.1 -
Seriously Lancs, what can the Trust really do? Not a lot, i suspect apart from issuing some hard-hitting press notices etc.
The real people who can change things are the fans.
On Saturday, I will not be at the first home LEAGUE game of the season for the first time since 1980. Honestly. The first league game of the season is one I have always made sure I could attend - over those years, holidays have been arranged to make sure I could go, social events turned down, my good lady told no, I'm going to Charlton that day.
But now I am so disillusioned I have even elected to work on Saturday instead. So won't even be listening to the game on Valley Pass.
And yet on Saturday 5 or 6 thousand fans will still make their way to the Valley. I'm not saying I'm right or they are wrong, we all have to decide what we want to do. But these are desperate times and call for desperate measures and just think of the publicity that would be generated if the team ran out to an empty stadium.
The club is dying. And another year of Douchbag and I fear it will take years to get it back to where we want to be.
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I agree.Covered End said:
I agree and I could be described as a flip flopper.Nug said:
It’s easy to say they have no teeth or CARD have lost the plot or ROT are this or that but as soon as any of these groups try and do something positive to rid CAFC of RD they get a torrent of abuse from fans many of who flip flop from one week to the next. Until everyone wants this tosser gone “it is what it is”_MrDick said:CAST have no teeth, IMHO. What needs to happen is for Lee Bowyer and JJ to walk out and for the players to go on strike. Who are the EFL going to call to account if we don’t fulfill a fixture? We don’t have a CEO, we don’t have s CFO. We do have an absent owner and a toothless non-exec Director. It’s only the players that can bring this to a head now ...
I think the key is to have a plan that will unite the fans.
The boycott plan divided the fans. (I'm not criticising).
We are all united in wanting Roland gone, but a boycott doesnt suit the fans who want to cheer on the club they have supported all there lives7 -
Set fire to the Valley? He's probably got it insured with Admiral under an all for one policy with his Datsun Cherry.Covered End said:
RD cares about his fixed assets. What can be done to decrease the value of his fixed assets ?Airman Brown said:
Don't think we can just wait for that, to be honest. More needs to happen and more quickly, in a place where many people can get involved more easily. We need to make the football authorities and the local authorities uncomfortable here.Arsenetatters said:How about supporting something that is already working to get Roland out?
It's a one off, extremely timely initiative - ROT.
He won't get much back on it.1 -
Hartleypete said:
CAST seem to be gutless, more interested in slagging our manager than the owner.
As I've said before, sadly will be cancelling my renewal unless they wake up and smell the coffee. They need to actually do something other than have another fucking survey.
It’s all well and good people wanting him gone but until those people are prepared to do something about it and realise there will be short term pain for a long term gain then protests won’t have an effect. There was a lot of momentum early on and a majority were all in, but a few results under KR and everyone decided protests were bad for the club. That worked out well! Now apathy is the common feeling.Covered End said:
I agree and I could be described as a flip flopper.Nug said:
It’s easy to say they have no teeth or CARD have lost the plot or ROT are this or that but as soon as any of these groups try and do something positive to rid CAFC of RD they get a torrent of abuse from fans many of who flip flop from one week to the next. Until everyone wants this tosser gone “it is what it is”_MrDick said:CAST have no teeth, IMHO. What needs to happen is for Lee Bowyer and JJ to walk out and for the players to go on strike. Who are the EFL going to call to account if we don’t fulfill a fixture? We don’t have a CEO, we don’t have s CFO. We do have an absent owner and a toothless non-exec Director. It’s only the players that can bring this to a head now ...
I think the key is to have a plan that will unite the fans.
The boycott plan divided the fans. (I'm not criticising).3 -
It doesn't suit any of us, but it's gone way past the stage of turning up and hoping for the best.paulie8290 said:
I agree.Covered End said:
I agree and I could be described as a flip flopper.Nug said:
It’s easy to say they have no teeth or CARD have lost the plot or ROT are this or that but as soon as any of these groups try and do something positive to rid CAFC of RD they get a torrent of abuse from fans many of who flip flop from one week to the next. Until everyone wants this tosser gone “it is what it is”_MrDick said:CAST have no teeth, IMHO. What needs to happen is for Lee Bowyer and JJ to walk out and for the players to go on strike. Who are the EFL going to call to account if we don’t fulfill a fixture? We don’t have a CEO, we don’t have s CFO. We do have an absent owner and a toothless non-exec Director. It’s only the players that can bring this to a head now ...
I think the key is to have a plan that will unite the fans.
The boycott plan divided the fans. (I'm not criticising).
We are all united in wanting Roland gone, but a boycott doesnt suit the fans who want to cheer on the club they have supported all there lives14
