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Christian bakery owners win appeal

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  • It wasn't discrimination. That's not my opinion, it's the ruling of the 3 justices on the Supreme Court.
  • It wasn't discrimination. That's not my opinion, it's the ruling of the 3 justices on the Supreme Court.

    The ruling has been made and that's how the law stands at the current time. Laws obviously change over time.
  • Riviera said:

    I chucked someone out for going on and on about Brexit once, and it wasn't @PragueAddick! In fact he was a leaver.

    I remember :wink:
  • Personally, I think that a customer has the right to request a service that they deem reasonable and a business has the right to refuse to deliver that service if they profoundly disagree with it.

    If it was my cake shop and I didn't like the "message" I would also refuse.

    The message could say "support ISIS" or it could say "gays should be hung" and I'd refuse to do that lettering for example.

    I suspect the same bakers would also refuse to add a message that gays should be executed.

    This is why the ruling is spot on, and in my view why this kind of activism is entirely counterproductive.
  • rikofold said:

    I suspect the same bakers would also refuse to add a message that gays should be executed.

    This is why the ruling is spot on, and in my view why this kind of activism is entirely counterproductive.
    It didn't seem a fight worth having.
  • It didn't seem a fight worth having.
    Someone who did funded it.
  • Riviera said:

    Someone who did funded it.
    That's their right - we live in a freeish society.
  • Oh dear. Tit for tat.

    "Christian bakery legal team refused service by photography company ‘on moral grounds'"

    https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/10/11/gay-cake-christian-institute-photography/
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  • Excellent, balanced opinion piece by (of all people) Peter Tatchell in The Times today. Basically points out that if you deny the right to the bakers to refuse the slogan, you would have to deny a gay baker the right to refuse to put "I hate Gays" on a cake when asked.
  • Hopefully not just gay Bakers would object :smile:

  • Nadou said:

    Excellent, balanced opinion piece by (of all people) Peter Tatchell in The Times today. Basically points out that if you deny the right to the bakers to refuse the slogan, you would have to deny a gay baker the right to refuse to put "I hate Gays" on a cake when asked.

    I think there should be a total ban on cake slogans.
  • I think there should be a total ban on cake slogans.
    And bakers....
  • I want to know what Ernie and bert have to say on the matter.
    Did they ever come out as gay, what are their rights if they are not or even if they but didn't want to come out.
    They might not even agree with gay marriage would they then have a case to sue?
  • clb74 said:

    I want to know what Ernie and bert have to say on the matter.
    Did they ever come out as gay, what are their rights if they are not or even if they but didn't want to come out.
    They might not even agree with gay marriage would they then have a case to sue?

    The official answer to that is that they are just puppets.
  • Lady Hale added: "The bakers could not refuse to supply their goods to Mr Lee because he was a gay man or supported gay marriage, but that is quite different from obliging them to supply a cake iced with a message with which they profoundly disagreed."
    It's the same thing, it's homeophobic however you look at it. Blinded by religion.
  • It's the same thing, it's homeophobic however you look at it. Blinded by religion.
    It's not the same thing, hence the lawful decision by the judges.

    Agree re the blinded by religion bit.
  • Or, a Spotted Dick
    Or Chocolate Finger
  • Would love to ask this baker if he would make a cake with a few sentences from Leviticus, especially the ones about stoning and slavery.
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  • I'd love to ask the customer if he'd go in to a halal/Islamic bakery and ask for the same slogan to be piped.
  • Can you get halal icing?
  • masicat said:

    Would love to ask this baker if he would make a cake with a few sentences from Leviticus, especially the ones about stoning and slavery.

    Would really enhance the birthday experience
  • Would really enhance the birthday experience
    Might not be a birthday, just a cake for a get together of a crowd of Christian bigots celebrating all that is good in the Bible.
  • edited October 2018
    masicat said:

    Would love to ask this baker if he would make a cake with a few sentences from Leviticus, especially the ones about stoning and slavery.

    probably not although don't know why anyone would want slogans of the torah on a cake, as a staunch protestant ( I'm assuming ) he does not agree with gay marriage - so can see his reasons for not wanting to print it - fair play to him for turning business away and considering his beliefs more important.

    as a bit of realism the republic of ireland 735,000 voted no in a gay marraige referendum, i do not think that 3/4 of a million people are "extremists" they just follow the christian faith and its values.
  • I'd love to ask the customer if he'd go in to a halal/Islamic bakery and ask for the same slogan to be piped.

    would not even make the local newspaper - many muslim workers in supermarkets wear gloves when handling alcohol or refuse to even sell it, difference is this is not there business.
  • would not even make the local newspaper - many muslim workers in supermarkets wear gloves when handling alcohol or refuse to even sell it, difference is this is not there business.
    Seems pretty reasonable to me.
  • Seems pretty reasonable to me.
    i'd accept your argument but there is certain sectors where non religous believers are not allowed to work

    a halal, kosher factory can only be worked in by believers of that faith.
  • Thank Allah the Muslim-owned shop across my road sells alcohol. Helped me out many a time
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