Talk Sport - Jim White (ed. Page 21 - Grapevine destroys Roland)
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The bloke just doesn’t understand British football. He just does not get it.2
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Rick Everits fault
The fans fault
Charlton life s fault
Basically everyone s fault except his.
The man is completely deluded and the sooner he goes the better.
Just sell the club and FUCK OFF22 -
Well done lardi.......a sterling effort.4
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That was an enormous task, and done so well. You certainly earned your promote!
Thank you.2 -
Woah, woah, woah, he admitted it was his fault he couldn’t communicate how rubbish he was at the beginning. You’ve got to give the old dentist dodger credit where it’s due....blackpool72 said:Rick Everits fault
The fans fault
Charlton life s fault
Basically everyone s fault except his.
The man is completely deluded and the sooner he goes the better.
Just sell the club and FUCK OFF
Great work @lardiman - maybe have a try at tonight’s news at ten too?1 -
He still isn't communicating.Fumbluff said:
Woah, woah, woah, he admitted it was his fault he couldn’t communicate how rubbish he was at the beginning. You’ve got to give the old dentist dodger credit where it’s due....blackpool72 said:Rick Everits fault
The fans fault
Charlton life s fault
Basically everyone s fault except his.
The man is completely deluded and the sooner he goes the better.
Just sell the club and FUCK OFF
Great work @lardiman - maybe have a try at tonight’s news at ten too?
Not properly anyway.
And I will never give him credit for anything other than trying his best to ruin our club.5 -
FFS!!!Fumbluff said:
Woah, woah, woah, he admitted it was his fault he couldn’t communicate how rubbish he was at the beginning. You’ve got to give the old dentist dodger credit where it’s due....blackpool72 said:Rick Everits fault
The fans fault
Charlton life s fault
Basically everyone s fault except his.
The man is completely deluded and the sooner he goes the better.
Just sell the club and FUCK OFF
Great work @lardiman - maybe have a try at tonight’s news at ten too?2 -
I loved the way it was billed pre- airing as an apology. It was pretty clear that plank would never apologise. Some seemed to fall for it though!:)blackpool72 said:Rick Everits fault
The fans fault
Charlton life s fault
Basically everyone s fault except his.
The man is completely deluded and the sooner he goes the better.
Just sell the club and FUCK OFF0 - Sponsored links:
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Many thanks @lardiman1
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Great effort.1
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he had the chance to give us an apology, a paragraph, or ANYTHING..... 'I hope we go up'. That was all he could muster up? Wanker.1
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Here’s the link to Jordan’s bit if you fancy something easier to type @lardiman
https://talksport.com/football/440335/simon-jordan-scathing-response-charlton-owner-roland-duchatelets-talksport-interview/1 -
Yeah, and where are they now?LenGlover said:
Plenty of us said it at the time but the 'boring mid table premiership football' and 'Curbs has taken us as far as he can' lobbies possessed louder voices and influence.Danny Addick said:
Pride derailed Murray and CAFC for years to come. He couldn’t accept that curbs wanted to see his contract out and wouldn’t sign another - so he thought he’d let him go the year before the major TV deal kicked in and get someone in who he’d unearth as the next big management talent. He overestimated his ability to spot that talent.MuttleyCAFC said:It is a bit pointless speculating how much Murray cares. I'm sure he cares a lot, but it doesn't matter does it? What is more telling about Murray, is that he was successful when he had a great manager, who he let manage. That is perfection for a businessman. It is when they start to think they know more about the football side, you start to hit the rocks. As soon as Curbs left, rather than look for another Curbs, he appointed a manager to wind up our rivals as much as anything else, but took away many of his powers to manage. The board became much more involved in the football side.
Of course finding another Curbs was not an easy undertaking, so maybe the approach was understandable. When you look back on Curbs he didn't just manage the team. He managed the club. He clearly saw the fans as the extra player and managed us too. I recall many a telling off from Curbs when he thought we weren't doing our job properly. It was a criminal waste that the guy's career fell flat after he took West Ham to a tribunal (which he won). The bloke was a great manager, one of the best. Certainly the best we have ever had. Not an easy act to follow.
What we saw after Curbs leaving was how much harder it is for a chairman to drive the rally car rather than support a great driver by sitting next to him in the passenger seat. I believe the ego of Murray made him believe he was just as important an ingredient in our success as Curbs. True Curbs would not have been able to achieve what he did under Roland, but Murray did a great job as chairman because he focused on the financials, trusted the manager to be sensible, and the club was in synergy.
Murray without Curbs was shown to be completely out of his depth. I think he derailed Pardew by allowing Reid to go when we were fighting to return that first season after relegation. Decisions since then have been inept and from being one of the best chairmen he became one of the worst. His biggest failing has always been that he cannot see it for what it is. Without a Curbs to hang on to, Murray has shown that he has an ability to be truly incompetent. Siding himself with the owner, I'm sure in his eyes for the betterment of the club, is just another example of this. If I could give him a gift, it would be the insight to know that he isn't as good as he thinks he is (in the context of football only I must stress). That isn't a bad thing, if you know your limitations, you can be very effective working within them, as he was under the great Curbs.
At that time Charlton were labelled the best run club in the country and the club others outside the very top ones should aspire to be. For a short time, just before Parker was sold, we were without doubt the fourth best team in the country FFS! Whilst Murray was a key part of this, his issue was that he believed this was because of him. To be fair it was, but only because his position was to support a manager with vision and prodigious ability. He did spot that ability, and he did nurture it. We can't take it away from him - but without Curbs Murray is a footballing disaster. That is sadly the fact he needs to accept!
Curbs’ brother, the music mogul, stated at the time that he felt Alan deserved more money and backing from the chairman, which somehow Dowie later got on the back of a good season or two with palace.
Hindsight is easy, but if Curbs had kept us up another season until the TV money kicked in, who knows what might have happened.
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This guy UMLsDazzler21 said:
Decision gates are meant to be part of a flow, the text in the middle should be the question and the outcomes should be relevant to the question.TelMc32 said:addick05 said:
Hate this expression 'reached out'. My publishers in the US were always emailing and informing me that someone would be 'reaching out' to me. Sounds like you are waiting to be rescued from drowning. I was sorely tempted to make a sarcastic comment but held back.J BLOCK said:Anyone know if Jim has reached out to Airman/CARD before this interview to get an updated fact check?
I have banned it in the workplace...difficult as I have a number of US clients and colleagues!!!
The more sensible flow would be as attached.1 -
Happy to oblige Fumbluff. Here we go; (the audio clip is 01:08 long)Fumbluff said:Here’s the link to Jordan’s bit if you fancy something easier to type @lardiman
https://talksport.com/football/440335/simon-jordan-scathing-response-charlton-owner-roland-duchatelets-talksport-interview/
Simon Jordan's response to the Jim White Roland Duchatelet interview
"I don't think anybody goes into a football Club with the devout intention of destroying it.
He talked about doing due diligence, and the guys that are going to buy the football Club doing due diligence, and he came up with some nonsense about the fact that ultimately they changed their minds from one result to another, and the fact that the fans' climate will affect any buying price. I mean, that is a load of old pony.
The fact he didn't do due diligence; didn't understand the Club that he was buying into, is more important because in four years he's turned a football Club that wasn't going very well, now into a Club that's doing dreadfully. And everyone around it seems to be disassociated and disenfranchised. Some way along the line you have to accept that you make mistakes. Now he's looking at it from one point of view and one point of view only; himself. And this Club, under his watch, has gone really, really backwards.
And you know he isn't alone in it; I know you had an admirer in this Chief Executive that they had there. But she's the one that's carrying the message for him. She's the communication tool that should have been able to manage the relationship with the fans. I felt that 90% of what he said was complete and utter tosh. Nobody cares if he can only spend 2% of his time there. As a football Club Chairman you're not picking the players, you're not dealing with the Club shop, you're not dealing with the merchandising, you're not dealing with the day-to-day stuff, you're managing the people that do.
So his time is nonsense."31 -
Well appreciated @lardiman...top work squire...;)2
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lardi......do you have acces to (or if not, can you get), the transcript or recording of CARD’s response on Talksport2 given by Heather ?......I believe it went out a day or two later.
Frustratingly, there seems to be no exact record regarding the interview.
Speaking for myself and I think others, I would love to read a transcript or better still hear a recording.
Surely someone out there must have one or the other?
Don’t like to criticise as I am solidly behind CARD and it’s efforts.....but I have to say it was somewhat remiss of CARD not to have recorded or at least taken a word for word transcript of such an important discussion.0 -
CARD (not me, to be clear) had been promised a more direct right of reply on the main channel later in the week, an offer which was subsequently withdrawn. I don't think anyone realised at the time that talkSPORT 2 wasn't available on catch-up.SoundAsa£ said:lardi......do you have acces to (or if not, can you get), the transcript or recording of CARD’s response on Talksport2 given by Heather ?......I believe it went out a day or two later.
Frustratingly, there seems to be no exact record regarding the interview.
Speaking for myself and I think others, I would love to read a transcript or better still hear a recording.
Surely someone out there must have one or the other?
Don’t like to criticise as I am solidly behind CARD and it’s efforts.....but I have to say it was somewhat remiss of CARD not to have recorded or at least taken a word for word transcript of such an important discussion.1 -
We believed we were going to have a right to reply but this was cancelled at short notice unfortunatley, thanks to @lardiman for the transcribe, excellent work and as @SoundAsa£ says a valuable record of such am important discussion.
*edit just seen @Airman Brown beat me to it.3 -
Well Curbs was the best and it did not get any better than SEVEN YEARS in the premiership,so i guess the people just had enough of it.....wish i could have seen premiership football with Charlton week in week out.addick05 said:
Yeah, and where are they now?LenGlover said:
Plenty of us said it at the time but the 'boring mid table premiership football' and 'Curbs has taken us as far as he can' lobbies possessed louder voices and influence.Danny Addick said:
Pride derailed Murray and CAFC for years to come. He couldn’t accept that curbs wanted to see his contract out and wouldn’t sign another - so he thought he’d let him go the year before the major TV deal kicked in and get someone in who he’d unearth as the next big management talent. He overestimated his ability to spot that talent.MuttleyCAFC said:It is a bit pointless speculating how much Murray cares. I'm sure he cares a lot, but it doesn't matter does it? What is more telling about Murray, is that he was successful when he had a great manager, who he let manage. That is perfection for a businessman. It is when they start to think they know more about the football side, you start to hit the rocks. As soon as Curbs left, rather than look for another Curbs, he appointed a manager to wind up our rivals as much as anything else, but took away many of his powers to manage. The board became much more involved in the football side.
Of course finding another Curbs was not an easy undertaking, so maybe the approach was understandable. When you look back on Curbs he didn't just manage the team. He managed the club. He clearly saw the fans as the extra player and managed us too. I recall many a telling off from Curbs when he thought we weren't doing our job properly. It was a criminal waste that the guy's career fell flat after he took West Ham to a tribunal (which he won). The bloke was a great manager, one of the best. Certainly the best we have ever had. Not an easy act to follow.
What we saw after Curbs leaving was how much harder it is for a chairman to drive the rally car rather than support a great driver by sitting next to him in the passenger seat. I believe the ego of Murray made him believe he was just as important an ingredient in our success as Curbs. True Curbs would not have been able to achieve what he did under Roland, but Murray did a great job as chairman because he focused on the financials, trusted the manager to be sensible, and the club was in synergy.
Murray without Curbs was shown to be completely out of his depth. I think he derailed Pardew by allowing Reid to go when we were fighting to return that first season after relegation. Decisions since then have been inept and from being one of the best chairmen he became one of the worst. His biggest failing has always been that he cannot see it for what it is. Without a Curbs to hang on to, Murray has shown that he has an ability to be truly incompetent. Siding himself with the owner, I'm sure in his eyes for the betterment of the club, is just another example of this. If I could give him a gift, it would be the insight to know that he isn't as good as he thinks he is (in the context of football only I must stress). That isn't a bad thing, if you know your limitations, you can be very effective working within them, as he was under the great Curbs.
At that time Charlton were labelled the best run club in the country and the club others outside the very top ones should aspire to be. For a short time, just before Parker was sold, we were without doubt the fourth best team in the country FFS! Whilst Murray was a key part of this, his issue was that he believed this was because of him. To be fair it was, but only because his position was to support a manager with vision and prodigious ability. He did spot that ability, and he did nurture it. We can't take it away from him - but without Curbs Murray is a footballing disaster. That is sadly the fact he needs to accept!
Curbs’ brother, the music mogul, stated at the time that he felt Alan deserved more money and backing from the chairman, which somehow Dowie later got on the back of a good season or two with palace.
Hindsight is easy, but if Curbs had kept us up another season until the TV money kicked in, who knows what might have happened.
Never mind see you all at afew more away games this season,unable to make Mansfield but could be at Burton if i can get time off work.0 -
What was the reason the direct right of reply was withdrawn on the main channel?Airman Brown said:
CARD (not me, to be clear) had been promised a more direct right of reply on the main channel later in the week, an offer which was subsequently withdrawn. I don't think anyone realised at the time that talkSPORT 2 wasn't available on catch-up.SoundAsa£ said:lardi......do you have acces to (or if not, can you get), the transcript or recording of CARD’s response on Talksport2 given by Heather ?......I believe it went out a day or two later.
Frustratingly, there seems to be no exact record regarding the interview.
Speaking for myself and I think others, I would love to read a transcript or better still hear a recording.
Surely someone out there must have one or the other?
Don’t like to criticise as I am solidly behind CARD and it’s efforts.....but I have to say it was somewhat remiss of CARD not to have recorded or at least taken a word for word transcript of such an important discussion.
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Airman Brown get your backside over to Sint Truiden put Roland straight and in his place. We will put you up and i will drive you to Sint Truiden myself.6
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I've been in touch with the researcher since trying to get hold of a recording and he was asking but no joy I'm afraid. Annoyed I didn't record it at the time on my own phone.SoundAsa£ said:lardi......do you have acces to (or if not, can you get), the transcript or recording of CARD’s response on Talksport2 given by Heather ?......I believe it went out a day or two later.
Frustratingly, there seems to be no exact record regarding the interview.
Speaking for myself and I think others, I would love to read a transcript or better still hear a recording.
Surely someone out there must have one or the other?
Don’t like to criticise as I am solidly behind CARD and it’s efforts.....but I have to say it was somewhat remiss of CARD not to have recorded or at least taken a word for word transcript of such an important discussion.
Essentially I believe I just kept repeating that what Roland said was outlandish nonsense.3 -
If anybody can provide a file of the CARD response interview in a format I can listen to, I would be happy to transcribe it.SoundAsa£ said:lardi......do you have acces to (or if not, can you get), the transcript or recording of CARD’s response on Talksport2 given by Heather ?......I believe it went out a day or two later.
Frustratingly, there seems to be no exact record regarding the interview.
Speaking for myself and I think others, I would love to read a transcript or better still hear a recording.
Surely someone out there must have one or the other?
Don’t like to criticise as I am solidly behind CARD and it’s efforts.....but I have to say it was somewhat remiss of CARD not to have recorded or at least taken a word for word transcript of such an important discussion.
I appreciate this may be unlikely now (given what has been said in recent posts), but you never know.0 -
They lost interest, I think, when the interview got a more critical general response than they had expected.SoundAsa£ said:
What was the reason the direct right of reply was withdrawn on the main channel?Airman Brown said:
CARD (not me, to be clear) had been promised a more direct right of reply on the main channel later in the week, an offer which was subsequently withdrawn. I don't think anyone realised at the time that talkSPORT 2 wasn't available on catch-up.SoundAsa£ said:lardi......do you have acces to (or if not, can you get), the transcript or recording of CARD’s response on Talksport2 given by Heather ?......I believe it went out a day or two later.
Frustratingly, there seems to be no exact record regarding the interview.
Speaking for myself and I think others, I would love to read a transcript or better still hear a recording.
Surely someone out there must have one or the other?
Don’t like to criticise as I am solidly behind CARD and it’s efforts.....but I have to say it was somewhat remiss of CARD not to have recorded or at least taken a word for word transcript of such an important discussion.1 -
How strange??Airman Brown said:
They lost interest, I think, when the interview got a more critical general response than they had expected.SoundAsa£ said:
What was the reason the direct right of reply was withdrawn on the main channel?Airman Brown said:
CARD (not me, to be clear) had been promised a more direct right of reply on the main channel later in the week, an offer which was subsequently withdrawn. I don't think anyone realised at the time that talkSPORT 2 wasn't available on catch-up.SoundAsa£ said:lardi......do you have acces to (or if not, can you get), the transcript or recording of CARD’s response on Talksport2 given by Heather ?......I believe it went out a day or two later.
Frustratingly, there seems to be no exact record regarding the interview.
Speaking for myself and I think others, I would love to read a transcript or better still hear a recording.
Surely someone out there must have one or the other?
Don’t like to criticise as I am solidly behind CARD and it’s efforts.....but I have to say it was somewhat remiss of CARD not to have recorded or at least taken a word for word transcript of such an important discussion.0
