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Selling players

T_C_E
T_C_E Posts: 16,421
in General Charlton
Can someone answer me a question?
In the 5 years of Duchataway's tenure, have we sold a major first team player every season and replaced them with youth team prospects/loans/frees/no one at all every year?

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  • Covered_End_Lad
    Covered_End_Lad Posts: 5,726
    T_C_E said:

    Can someone answer me a question?
    In the 5 years of Duchataway's tenure, have we sold a major first team player every season and replaced them with youth team prospects/loans/frees/no one at all every year?

    Pretty much.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,455
    edited January 2019
    I'd say the major players we've sold / replaced with are as follows

    I've not included the summer after we were relegated from the Championship

    2018/19
    Josh Magennis was replaced with Lyle Taylor (Free)
    Ezri Konsa was replaced with Krystian Bielik (Loan)
    Ahmed Kashi was replaced with Josh Cullen (Loan)

    2017/18
    Ricky Holmes was replaced with Kaikai and Mavididi (Loan)
    Lee Novak was replaced (eventually) with Leon Best (Free)

    2016/17
    Ademola Lookman was replaced with Mavididi (Loan)
    Morgan Fox was replaced by Dasilva (loan) | Page (Undisclosed)

    2015/16
    Joe Gomez was replaced with Patrick Bauer (Undisclosed)

    2014/15
    Michael Morrison was already replaced by Andre Bikey and Tal Ben-Haim (Free)
    Diego Poyet was replaced with Franck Moussa (Free)

    2013/14
    Yann Kermorgant was replaced with Polish Pete (Undisclosed)
    Dale Stephens was replaced with Astrit Ajdarevic (Loan)
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Diego Poyet was replaced with Franck Moussa (Free)

    I would say Yoni was the replacement for Poyet, then Kashi his.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,129
    I don't think I'll ever get over Yann being replaced by Polish Pete.

    Could also add Alnwick being replaced by Thuram. That's on par.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,455
    Cafc43v3r said:

    Diego Poyet was replaced with Franck Moussa (Free)

    I would say Yoni was the replacement for Poyet, then Kashi his.

    Very true... I didnt think to look at the incoming loans for that summer
  • T_C_E
    T_C_E Posts: 16,421
    ForeverAddickted said:

    I'd say the major players we've sold / replaced with are as follows

    I've not included the summer after we were relegated from the Championship

    2018/19
    Josh Magennis was replaced with Lyle Taylor (Free)
    Ezri Konsa was replaced with Krystian Bielik (Loan)
    Ahmed Kashi was replaced with Josh Cullen (Loan)

    2017/18
    Ricky Holmes was replaced with Kaikai and Mavididi (Loan)
    Lee Novak was replaced (eventually) with Leon Best (Free)

    2016/17
    Ademola Lookman was replaced with Mavididi (Loan)
    Morgan Fox was replaced by Dasilva (loan) | Page (Undisclosed)

    2015/16
    Joe Gomez was replaced with Patrick Bauer (Undisclosed)

    2014/15
    Michael Morrison was already replaced by Andre Bikey and Tal Ben-Haim (Free)
    Diego Poyet was replaced with Franck Moussa (Free)

    2013/14
    Yann Kermorgant was replaced with Polish Pete (Undisclosed)
    Dale Stephens was replaced with Astrit Ajdarevic (Loan)

    Thanks for that.
    Now I can't remember the deal that Taylor is on, but if I had to speculate that if Duchataway still owns this club as his contract runs down he won't be offered a longer/improved deal but will be offered a short same/less money deal which he would refuse therefore the owner would move him on. So the cycle goes on.....
  • Ben18
    Ben18 Posts: 1,638
    Fairly sure Morrison was replaced with Oguchi Onyewu FA
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,455
    Ben18 said:

    Fairly sure Morrison was replaced with Oguchi Onyewu FA

    True but Morrison was effectively replaced when Bikey and Ben Haim came into the side which is why I chose them
  • Ben18
    Ben18 Posts: 1,638
    ForeverAddickted said:

    Ben18 said:

    Fairly sure Morrison was replaced with Oguchi Onyewu FA

    True but Morrison was effectively replaced when Bikey and Ben Haim came into the side which is why I chose them
    They forced him out of the first XI, but Bikey & Ben Haim replaced Wood & Dervite in the summer.

    Morrison was 3rd choice (Gomez 4th) and Onyewu was drafted in when Morrison was binned off.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,455
    Ben18 said:

    ForeverAddickted said:

    Ben18 said:

    Fairly sure Morrison was replaced with Oguchi Onyewu FA

    True but Morrison was effectively replaced when Bikey and Ben Haim came into the side which is why I chose them
    They forced him out of the first XI, but Bikey & Ben Haim replaced Wood & Dervite in the summer.

    Morrison was 3rd choice (Gomez 4th) and Onyewu was drafted in when Morrison was binned off.
    Good point... Plus Onyewu for Morrison looks better on this thread as shows again how awful our transfer policy has been

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  • palarsehater
    palarsehater Posts: 12,298
    edited January 2019
    what a cunt that bloke is, when you look at it like this i fully understand why some fans boycott.
  • Elthamaddick
    Elthamaddick Posts: 15,820
    2018/19
    Josh Magennis was replaced with Lyle Taylor (Free)
    Ezri Konsa was replaced with Krystian Bielik (Loan)
    Ahmed Kashi was replaced with Josh Cullen (Loan

    the only season where all the replacements have been an improvement !
  • Hartleypete
    Hartleypete Posts: 4,701
    Selling players and bringing young players through/ loan deals has been happening for decades at Charlton.

    As such I can understand the maths behind doing it, although at the time of some sales it does make me sick.

    However the Rolly experience is far worse, no planning whatsoever takes place. For example If we were going to let Grant go we should have made sure we have the right cover in place before even allowing him to talk to people. However because we don't tie players up on contracts this makes it impossible.

    The people running our club day to day (who are they?) haven't got a clue and Rolly just don't care.

    The really stupid thing is that by strengthening the squad slightly would very much give us a better shot at promotion, which would help the sale and maybe even get the Belgian a better price.

    So to sum it up under Rolly we are fucked.
  • LonelyNorthernAddick
    LonelyNorthernAddick Posts: 2,423
    Elthamaddick said:

    2018/19
    Josh Magennis was replaced with Lyle Taylor (Free)
    Ezri Konsa was replaced with Krystian Bielik (Loan)
    Ahmed Kashi was replaced with Josh Cullen (Loan

    the only season where all the replacements have been an improvement !

    Testament to Bowyer's signings this season. But notably RD has made money on both Konsa and Mag but has spent 0 on the replacements.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,455
    Well we'll wait and see next season... they were improvements this time round but being loanees there is no guarantee they'll be as good next time - Its the irritating thing for Bowyer in the sense that he cant build a squad that is together a bit more long term (Okay there will nearly always be a sale or two) and so improve better, instead every summer its straight back to square one
  • palarsehater
    palarsehater Posts: 12,298
    Elthamaddick said:

    2018/19
    Josh Magennis was replaced with Lyle Taylor (Free)
    Ezri Konsa was replaced with Krystian Bielik (Loan)
    Ahmed Kashi was replaced with Josh Cullen (Loan

    the only season where all the replacements have been an improvement !

    more by luck than judgement i feel, roland just looks at the finances
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,884
    ForeverAddickted said:

    I'd say the major players we've sold / replaced with are as follows

    I've not included the summer after we were relegated from the Championship

    2018/19
    Josh Magennis was replaced with Lyle Taylor (Free)
    Ezri Konsa was replaced with Krystian Bielik (Loan)
    Ahmed Kashi was replaced with Josh Cullen (Loan)

    2017/18
    Ricky Holmes was replaced with Kaikai and Mavididi (Loan)
    Lee Novak was replaced (eventually) with Leon Best (Free)

    2016/17
    Ademola Lookman was replaced with Mavididi (Loan)
    Morgan Fox was replaced by Dasilva (loan) | Page (Undisclosed)

    2015/16
    Joe Gomez was replaced with Patrick Bauer (Undisclosed)

    2014/15
    Michael Morrison was already replaced by Andre Bikey and Tal Ben-Haim (Free)
    Diego Poyet was replaced with Franck Moussa (Free)

    2013/14
    Yann Kermorgant was replaced with Polish Pete (Undisclosed)
    Dale Stephens was replaced with Astrit Ajdarevic (Loan)

    To be fair there have been upgrades as well, e.g.
    2014/15
    Danny Green replaced by Jóhann Berg Guðmundsson
    Marvin Sordell replaced by Igor Vetekele
    2015/16
    Naby Sarr also came in . Hopeless then but now a decent player
    2016/17
    Reza, Pigott and Tucudean replaced by Ajose, Magennis and Novak (the first 2 for fees)
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,884
    palarsehater said:

    Elthamaddick said:

    2018/19
    Josh Magennis was replaced with Lyle Taylor (Free)
    Ezri Konsa was replaced with Krystian Bielik (Loan)
    Ahmed Kashi was replaced with Josh Cullen (Loan

    the only season where all the replacements have been an improvement !

    more by luck than judgement i feel, roland just looks at the finances
    Harsh, as that underplays the job Gallen is doing with Bowyer. Taylor might have been free, but I bet he got a nice signing on fee

    And if anything Kashi's replacement was Pratley, Cullen came in to cover for JFC
  • palarsehater
    palarsehater Posts: 12,298
    killerandflash said:

    palarsehater said:

    Elthamaddick said:

    2018/19
    Josh Magennis was replaced with Lyle Taylor (Free)
    Ezri Konsa was replaced with Krystian Bielik (Loan)
    Ahmed Kashi was replaced with Josh Cullen (Loan

    the only season where all the replacements have been an improvement !

    more by luck than judgement i feel, roland just looks at the finances
    Harsh, as that underplays the job Gallen is doing with Bowyer. Taylor might have been free, but I bet he got a nice signing on fee

    And if anything Kashi's replacement was Pratley, Cullen came in to cover for JFC
    we only got them signing because they were loans/free roland would not have paid for them, that is the point i made about luck!
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,884
    palarsehater said:

    killerandflash said:

    palarsehater said:

    Elthamaddick said:

    2018/19
    Josh Magennis was replaced with Lyle Taylor (Free)
    Ezri Konsa was replaced with Krystian Bielik (Loan)
    Ahmed Kashi was replaced with Josh Cullen (Loan

    the only season where all the replacements have been an improvement !

    more by luck than judgement i feel, roland just looks at the finances
    Harsh, as that underplays the job Gallen is doing with Bowyer. Taylor might have been free, but I bet he got a nice signing on fee

    And if anything Kashi's replacement was Pratley, Cullen came in to cover for JFC
    we only got them signing because they were loans/free roland would not have paid for them, that is the point i made about luck!
    How is getting in the likes of Taylor, Cullen, Bielik, Williams etc luck?

    Being able to get quality players on loan or frees is an essential part of managing a 3rd division club. I doubt Pompey or Luton have splashed much money on transfer fees

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