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Bigger Game Than 1998????

DA9
DA9 Posts: 11,091
edited May 2019 in General Charlton
IMO

Purely because a loss is potentially devastating to our squad, who goes and who stays, and, more importantly, keeping hold of Bowyer, could set us back years......again.
We were a relatively stable club 1998, and the premier money then was nowhere near as lucrative, even in percentage/inflation terms compared to today,  promotion to the championship is key to keeping most of our squad, and LB, far more important than money.
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  • Mendonca In Asdas
    Mendonca In Asdas Posts: 22,650
    edited May 2019
    Without putting too much pressure on ourselves i can’t disagree with that.

    I think the financial rewards were £20 million for promotion back in 1998.

    Promotion now isn’t about a nice pay day, it literally determines the direction of travel.

    The consequences of not achieving promotion this time round are unthinkable, and could set us back another 10 - 20 years.

    A decent logical owner would have nailed Lees contract down by now, but Roland isn’t that owner.  

    I want to forget about the bloke on Sunday, sing my head off as these days don’t come round very often for Charlton fans.
  • Valley11
    Valley11 Posts: 11,985
    I don’t agree. As has been said, the squad will be ripped apart regardless of promotion.
    Aribo, Bauer, and the loanees will all be off. 
    If Ilic hadn’t saved that pen and Sunderland had won in 98 then Clive and co would have been snapped up. That was our moment to get into the big time and it gave us a decade of success.
    League One is such a pony League I’d back us to get out next season even with a squad rebuild. 
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,148
    edited May 2019
    it’s league one even when we have had skint ish owners we could get out of it 

    getting out of the championship when we did is why we had the chance to have 25k the other night 

    if we had failed in 1998 the ground would still have a capacity of 20k ish .

    the potential for some follow through goodwill is there with promotion but I think that will still be there if we stay down and championship or league one it will depend how well we perform on the pitch next season and that comes back to who will be managing / playing for us and the biggest determiner of that is that twat owner 

    so no 1998 was where our dreams came true when top flight football returned to The Valley for the first time in 40 ish years 

    the result Sunday is important but not as important to me as 1998 
    what is important is the old codger slinging his hook and who knows what is best for that with the lunatic 
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,729
    If we win, there is a chance we can keep most or all together. If we lose, absolutely no chance. Is it more important - I would say possibly not. 98 was for a place in the Premiership and set up the successful Curbishley years that followed. The caviat I would place on it is whether going up helps us get a new owner or not. If it does, it will be vitally important for the future of our club.
  • nth_london_addick
    nth_london_addick Posts: 35,919
    I agree with @DA9

    i believe wholeheartedly that the team In 98 was that good we would’ve gone up the following year anyway 

    this game should we lose could see us in lge 2 


  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,847
    nth london addick said:
    I agree with @DA9

    i believe wholeheartedly that the team In 98 was that good we would’ve gone up the following year anyway 

    this game should we lose could see us in lge 2 


    Not according to Curbishley. His view was that if we didn’t go up that day the team was likely to be broken up and it would’ve been tough for us to follow up the next season. 
  • thickandthin63
    thickandthin63 Posts: 2,955
    I still think that the win in 1998 was a bonus that came out of the blue,although we did have a very good team.This time,the play offs were the least we should have expected,and I certainly feel that promotion is essential ,as another team rebuilding process will take years,and even diehards like myself may lose their enthusiasm for the continual struggle that seems to Charlton.
  • Algarveaddick
    Algarveaddick Posts: 21,155
    _MrDick said:
    IMO, win or lose, our squad will be decimated. Aribo, Bauer, Cullen, Bielik, Igor etc will be gone next year. Unless Duchatelet sells, I reckon Bowyer and his team will be gone and if he gets a half decent offer for Taylor, he'll be gone. The key to keeping our squad together is Duchatelet selling up. 
    Spot on. That horrible git will not strengthen the squad, our only hope of staying up if we get promotion is if (big if) Bow and Jacko stay and they manage to cobble together a good team of cast offs from other clubs who are motivated by the lure of a higher league. Possible, but not likely.  
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  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,449
    Hopefully a good day on Sunday. Regardless of the result we're f***ed next season if RD is in charge next season as we'll have no players.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,729
    Similarities there then.
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,037
    edited May 2019
    It’s really difficult to compare. Football feels like it is in a completely different era to 1998. The stakes are different, the environment is different and the cost/benefit for Charlton winning or losing is completely different.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,007
    _MrDick said:
    IMO, win or lose, our squad will be decimated. Aribo, Bauer, Cullen, Bielik, Igor etc will be gone next year. Unless Duchatelet sells, I reckon Bowyer and his team will be gone and if he gets a half decent offer for Taylor, he'll be gone. The key to keeping our squad together is Duchatelet selling up. 
    That's the spirit ! FFS
  • Six-a-bag-of-nuts
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts Posts: 8,127
    edited May 2019
    oohaahmortimer said:
    it’s league one even when we have had skint ish owners we could get out of it 

    getting out of the championship when we did is why we had the chance to have 25k the other night 

    if we had failed in 1998 the ground would still have a capacity of 20k ish .

    the potential for some follow through goodwill is there with promotion but I think that will still be there if we stay down and championship or league one it will depend how well we perform on the pitch next season and that comes back to who will be managing / playing for us and the biggest determiner of that is that twat owner 

    so no 1998 was where our dreams came true when top flight football returned to The Valley for the first time in 40 ish years 

    the result Sunday is important but not as important to me as 1998 
    what is important is the old codger slinging his hook and who knows what is best for that with the lunatic 
    Edit. Tut, tut. Red card for me, was at Selhurst. Oh the shame
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    _MrDick said:
    IMO, win or lose, our squad will be decimated. Aribo, Bauer, Cullen, Bielik, Igor etc will be gone next year. Unless Duchatelet sells, I reckon Bowyer and his team will be gone and if he gets a half decent offer for Taylor, he'll be gone. The key to keeping our squad together is Duchatelet selling up. 
    Whilst I agree with this, it ignores that RD is more likely to go if we go up and our chances of keeping many players increases
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,127
    Big game, understand the original post and it's context but '98 changed the history of the club. I don't think any game will ever top that for us.
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,449
    The Red Robin said:
    Big game, understand the original post and it's context but '98 changed the history of the club. I don't think any game will ever top that for us.
    Quite possible Sunday will have a big impact on our history......
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,007
    nth london addick said:
    I agree with @DA9

    i believe wholeheartedly that the team In 98 was that good we would’ve gone up the following year anyway 

    this game should we lose could see us in lge 2 


    It could yes and if we win we could be in The Prem a year later.
    The reality is either option is about 1% likely. 
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,007
    Blood hell, how come this thread is attracting negative people ?
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  • clb74
    clb74 Posts: 10,824
    Covered End said:
    Blood hell, how come this thread is attracting negative people ?
    You make me laugh CE , if bowyer is gone Tuesday you'll be the first to want to get a coach out to belgium
  • Uboat
    Uboat Posts: 12,195
    What are they calling the Championship play off these days? The £850 billion game? Seems to double every year. 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,846
    Off_it said:
    nth london addick said:
    I agree with @DA9

    i believe wholeheartedly that the team In 98 was that good we would’ve gone up the following year anyway 

    this game should we lose could see us in lge 2 


    Not according to Curbishley. His view was that if we didn’t go up that day the team was likely to be broken up and it would’ve been tough for us to follow up the next season. 
    Yes, the club spent money it didn't really have that season, first with Super Clive at the start, and then bringing in Mills and Youds in the spring. We definitely would have had to sell players in the summer, and it's possible the likes of Super Clive and Kinsella would have been targeted by PL teams anyway (akin to how we signed Jensen from Bolton after we went up and they didn't a couple of years later)
  • Algarveaddick
    Algarveaddick Posts: 21,155
    Covered End said:
    Blood hell, how come this thread is attracting negative people ?
    Because most of us have been following the adventures of Duchatalet, and as Addicks we are pragmatists and realists mate... :/  
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,007
    clb74 said:
    Covered End said:
    Blood hell, how come this thread is attracting negative people ?
    You make me laugh CE , if bowyer is gone Tuesday you'll be the first to want to get a coach out to belgium
    I have every confidence Bowyer & Jacko will stay.

    I may be wrong, but I thought the same last summer, when many were saying he'd be gone, we'd have no players and Charlton would be fighting relegation.

    I backed us to make the play offs.
  • clb74
    clb74 Posts: 10,824
    Covered End said:
    clb74 said:
    Covered End said:
    Blood hell, how come this thread is attracting negative people ?
    You make me laugh CE , if bowyer is gone Tuesday you'll be the first to want to get a coach out to belgium
    I have every confidence Bowyer & Jacko will stay.

    I may be wrong, but I thought the same last summer, when many were saying he'd be gone, we'd have no players and Charlton would be fighting relegation.

    I backed us to make the play offs.
    We didn't have a load of players out of contract last season
  • The_Organiser
    The_Organiser Posts: 3,999
    edited May 2019
    Will be a bigger crowd and a record for league 1.

    Man City v Gillingham was the previous highest with 76k. Surprising that’s not been beaten for 20 years.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,007
    clb74 said:
    Covered End said:
    clb74 said:
    Covered End said:
    Blood hell, how come this thread is attracting negative people ?
    You make me laugh CE , if bowyer is gone Tuesday you'll be the first to want to get a coach out to belgium
    I have every confidence Bowyer & Jacko will stay.

    I may be wrong, but I thought the same last summer, when many were saying he'd be gone, we'd have no players and Charlton would be fighting relegation.

    I backed us to make the play offs.
    We didn't have a load of players out of contract last season
    I think we did. How come we could only put 5 on the bench v Sunderland first game & most of them were kids ?
    Can't we at least try and be a bit happy for 3 more days ?
  • J BLOCK
    J BLOCK Posts: 8,312
    This is bigger, the consequences of not going up are huge. 
  • clb74
    clb74 Posts: 10,824
    Covered End said:
    clb74 said:
    Covered End said:
    clb74 said:
    Covered End said:
    Blood hell, how come this thread is attracting negative people ?
    You make me laugh CE , if bowyer is gone Tuesday you'll be the first to want to get a coach out to belgium
    I have every confidence Bowyer & Jacko will stay.

    I may be wrong, but I thought the same last summer, when many were saying he'd be gone, we'd have no players and Charlton would be fighting relegation.

    I backed us to make the play offs.
    We didn't have a load of players out of contract last season
    I think we did. How come we could only put 5 on the bench v Sunderland first game & most of them were kids ?
    Can't we at least try and be a bit happy for 3 more days ?
    Not me mate I'd find something to moan about if we'd just done the treble in the premiership

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