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The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)
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Ok, I over egged what I said slightly (in relation to RD).SoundAsa£ said:
“everyone thought Roland was the best thing since sliced bread at first.”Ultimatum said:People not wanting the Aussies, is just ridiculous. If the recent VoTV is anything to go by I can just imagine RD moving the goal posts constantly. I imagine it’s just as frustrating for them as it is for us.
We’re talking millions of pounds, yes in the grand scheme of things 7mil is not a lot in comparison to the sale. However, these people are businessmen, they didn’t get their wealth by spending 7mil willy nilly.
If they’ve stuck around this long , that shows me they have an interest to get the club to the promise land. Surely they’d have given up by now if it wasn’t worth it to them.
Just see see how it pans out with them... everyone thought Roland was the best thing since sliced bread at first.
That’s news to me, there was considerable misgivings the moment Kermorgant and Morrison were shown the door.
Yes, we were pleased to have got shot of “The Spivs” but to say we were totally enamoured with Goldfinger and his weird scheme from the word go is somewhat wide of the mark.
However, people on here and other forums saying “it’s only 7mil” (or words to that effect) make me die. 7mil in any context is a lot of money, especially when you don’t necessarily have to spend it. It’s easy typing 7mil but if that was your money, I bet the majority wouldn’t want to let go of it. Those same people are now probably reading this thinking “to get the sale through, i’d spend it” still don’t get it.
Just imagine buying a house, the person you’re buying off made a load of improvements and paid on a credit card. They then say “do us a favour, give us an extra 70k so we can pay the outstanding debt” we’d all tell them where to go. I know it’s not the same context in relation to the sale but people need to realise that people don’t want to just give money away for no reason.11 -
Then got rid of Riga for no reason.There was, at least, hope until he sold Stephens and Kermogant and then sacked Chris Powell. Disn't take him long. All been downhill since.2 -
SoundAsa£ said:
Link?Fumbluff said:
That bloody @LouisMend isn’t being patient...blackpool72 said:
We are being patient. Look how patient we are being.JamesSeed said:But don’t think it ends there folks. Please bear in mind that what goes on behind the scenes can be more complex than it seems from the outside. Also bear in mind how little face time there has been between Roland and Gerard. Despite that, much of the info Gerard receives comes from Roland, Murray or Lieven, so I’d ask for understanding if things can look a little odd at times.
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Me too mate. Especially on the Park Run 😉AFKABartram said:
Are you now their spokesman @JamesSeed ?JamesSeed said:But don’t think it ends there folks. Please bear in mind that what goes on behind the scenes can be more complex than it seems from the outside. Also bear in mind how little face time there has been between Roland and Gerard. Despite that, much of the info Gerard receives comes from Roland, Murray or Lieven, so I’d ask for understanding if things can look a little odd at times.
a few days ago you said Murphy won’t tell you anything but you were getting info from someone you don’t know who has contacted you on twitter.
must admit I’m struggling to keep up0 -
So the Aussies attempted to offer less than value of the loans - didn’t Duchatelet try that already ? Totally understand why they would not want to unsecure the loans.
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Don’t agree with people thinking this is the beginning of the end. The fact the Aussies have spoken to Airman will not go down at all well with Roland and I can see it only making things harder to complete.2
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1682, work begins on The Royal Hospital Chelsea.0
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Given that your privy to info, do you see a happy end and change of ownership before the start of next season as this is depressingJamesSeed said:But don’t think it ends there folks. Please bear in mind that what goes on behind the scenes can be more complex than it seems from the outside. Also bear in mind how little face time there has been between Roland and Gerard. Despite that, much of the info Gerard receives comes from Roland, Murray or Lieven, so I’d ask for understanding if things can look a little odd at times.0 -
Airman talked with Colin? Not the Aussies.J BLOCK said:Don’t agree with people thinking this is the beginning of the end. The fact the Aussies have spoken to Airman will not go down at all well with Roland and I can see it only making things harder to complete.0 -
Not too sure about that mate, both parties have broken cover haven't they to try and get some of the ex directors to budge.J BLOCK said:Don’t agree with people thinking this is the beginning of the end. The fact the Aussies have spoken to Airman will not go down at all well with Roland and I can see it only making things harder to complete.0 -
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The most shocking post on this thread, has really upset me.happyvalley said:1681, The last dodo is killed.2 -
The Aussies have spoken and it’s out in the public domainValley27000 said:
Airman talked with Colin? Not the Aussies.J BLOCK said:Don’t agree with people thinking this is the beginning of the end. The fact the Aussies have spoken to Airman will not go down at all well with Roland and I can see it only making things harder to complete.0 -
@JamesSeed. You're far more involved in this than you let on.
Don't think I would be sloshing out as much info as you claim to have been getting to some chap I met at my daughter's school.2 -
James why the dig at the ex directors a few days agoJamesSeed said:
Me too mate. Especially on the Park Run 😉AFKABartram said:
Are you now their spokesman @JamesSeed ?JamesSeed said:But don’t think it ends there folks. Please bear in mind that what goes on behind the scenes can be more complex than it seems from the outside. Also bear in mind how little face time there has been between Roland and Gerard. Despite that, much of the info Gerard receives comes from Roland, Murray or Lieven, so I’d ask for understanding if things can look a little odd at times.
a few days ago you said Murphy won’t tell you anything but you were getting info from someone you don’t know who has contacted you on twitter.
must admit I’m struggling to keep up2 -
i honestly think that roland has no intention of selling the club,he is enjoying every minute of our misery and frustration,he has achieved everything in life that money can buy,he wants for nothing,he is a bored old man who probably has no other way to motivate his rather sad existence.0
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I forgot the inverted commasclb74 said:
James why the dig at the ex directors a few days agoJamesSeed said:
Me too mate. Especially on the Park Run 😉AFKABartram said:
Are you now their spokesman @JamesSeed ?JamesSeed said:But don’t think it ends there folks. Please bear in mind that what goes on behind the scenes can be more complex than it seems from the outside. Also bear in mind how little face time there has been between Roland and Gerard. Despite that, much of the info Gerard receives comes from Roland, Murray or Lieven, so I’d ask for understanding if things can look a little odd at times.
a few days ago you said Murphy won’t tell you anything but you were getting info from someone you don’t know who has contacted you on twitter.
must admit I’m struggling to keep up0 -
Carly Burn that's my feeling as well either by design or not0
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I think people know £7,000,000 is a fair old lump.....but in the scheme of things percentage wise it’s not beyond the realms of possibility to come up with the extra.Ultimatum said:
Ok, I over egged what I said slightly (in relation to RD).SoundAsa£ said:
“everyone thought Roland was the best thing since sliced bread at first.”Ultimatum said:People not wanting the Aussies, is just ridiculous. If the recent VoTV is anything to go by I can just imagine RD moving the goal posts constantly. I imagine it’s just as frustrating for them as it is for us.
We’re talking millions of pounds, yes in the grand scheme of things 7mil is not a lot in comparison to the sale. However, these people are businessmen, they didn’t get their wealth by spending 7mil willy nilly.
If they’ve stuck around this long , that shows me they have an interest to get the club to the promise land. Surely they’d have given up by now if it wasn’t worth it to them.
Just see see how it pans out with them... everyone thought Roland was the best thing since sliced bread at first.
That’s news to me, there was considerable misgivings the moment Kermorgant and Morrison were shown the door.
Yes, we were pleased to have got shot of “The Spivs” but to say we were totally enamoured with Goldfinger and his weird scheme from the word go is somewhat wide of the mark.
However, people on here and other forums saying “it’s only 7mil” (or words to that effect) make me die. 7mil in any context is a lot of money, especially when you don’t necessarily have to spend it. It’s easy typing 7mil but if that was your money, I bet the majority wouldn’t want to let go of it. Those same people are now probably reading this thinking “to get the sale through, i’d spend it” still don’t get it.
Just imagine buying a house, the person you’re buying off made a load of improvements and paid on a credit card. They then say “do us a favour, give us an extra 70k so we can pay the outstanding debt” we’d all tell them where to go. I know it’s not the same context in relation to the sale but people need to realise that people don’t want to just give money away for no reason.0 -
@JamesSeed are they cricket fans ?
tell em to get it done within two weeks from now and I’ve got em two tickets in the Grandstand at Lords, June 25th , I’ll buy all the beers , with me and some pissed up mates taking the piss out of the Aussies , my treat .
if they secure a decent squad and Bowyer I can do the same for The Ashes at Lords ,although I’m not about for the first few days , so that makes that more attractive .
Serious ...
if that doesn’t convince them then I give up .
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I see this all as relatively good news. We now appear to have confirmation of an active negotiation with all parties semingly moving closer together. As I suspected Aussies only seem able to progress in/around the price level under negotation if we are in Championship and therefore a better bet.
Whether the ex a Directors like it or not they have a role to play but entirely up to them how they choose to negotiate as its their money.
Its also flushing out out some others who may bid it appears.
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I guess they’re using you to put out what they want Roland to hear/believe. All part of the ‘game’ that is selling CAFC. Time for both sides to stop titting about and close the deal.carly burn said:@JamesSeed. You're far more involved in this than you let on.
Don't think I would be sloshing out as much info as you claim to have been getting to some chap I met at my daughter's school.9 -
I see no good reason for the Aussies to pay off the ex-directors loans if a price had been agreed that included Duchatelet paying them - other than to finalise the deal, let this takeover happen and start the re-building process for the new season. However, Airman reports that Murphy has already offered the ex-directors 50% which they have understandably rejected. If Duchatelet paid them the other 50% then they couldn’t refuse the loans being repaid in full, and we can move on from this sorry affair. And I can enjoy a celebratory Pot Noodle.4
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Note it down for later @happyvalleysoapboxsam said:
Meanwhile the potential king Charles III the prince in waiting, is waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting, IF he becomes king he will be older than William IV who became King at 69 and is the oldest prince ever to ascend to the throne.happyvalley said:1675, Charles II lays the foundation stone as work begins on Greenwich Royal Observatory.
Not a lot of people know that3 -
If we paid £1 for every time we viewed this thread, we could pay off the directors' loansHenry Irving said:Six million views coming into sight.
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1683, a frost fair is held on the Thames.2
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Perhaps, but don't seem very conventional or professional from either side imoArsenetatters said:
I guess they’re using you to put out what they want Roland to hear/believe. All part of the ‘game’ that is selling CAFC. Time for both sides to stop titting about and close the deal.carly burn said:JamesSeed. You're far more involved in this than you let on.
Don't think I would be sloshing out as much info as you claim to have been getting to some chap I met at my daughter's school.0 -
Covered End said:
Someone wants the ex-director loans paid off and it isn't RD so it must be The Aussies.soapboxsam said:Covered End said:
I'm not 100% certain.cafcwill said:Apoligies if this has been asked and answered before, but just for clairification
Do all of the directors have to be paid off in order for the sale to be completed or can the 3 be kept on for the prospective new owners to sort out?
I.E. Roland has paid off the £4 Million of the & £7 million and made deals with these 4 (?) directors, leaving the other 3 with charges on the title still. This will be seen as a reduction of cost from the Aussies side (if they want the clean title, which it seems they do)
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Do all 7 have to be paid off in order for the charge to be removed? (what i think i mean is the charges 1 single Charge or 7 individual charges )?
(i think i have made sense there, apoligies if i haven't)
However, the sale can go through with the ex-director loans remaining, as they have done in the previous 2 sales.
The Aussies want all the loans repaid, so it doesn't matter whether or not there are 7 individual charges.
The question as to why The Aussies want the loans repaid remains unanswered.
Obviously, to obtain clean title, but why ?
The answers are because they do end of, or because their possible financiers demand it so.
Sorry I'm struggling to keep up, but where and when was this quoted that the Aussies want all loans paid off ? There are 1676 pages !
Plus by whom ?
The Aussies want them paid off so they own CAFC 100%, without any mortgages/charges ranking in front of them.
The only way this can be achieved (clean title/100% ownership) is if all the loans are paid off.
So it's common sense.
Cant had added to read another 7 pages so I'll say what I'vd said since the play offs last season.......
The loans dont have to be repaid now. The ex-directors arent asking for them to be repaid now. RD doesn't have to repay them now. The only people who are wanting them to be repaid now are the new owners. That being the case I would seriously ask why. They could always buy the club now & repay them in 6 or 12 months. The fact that they want clean title from day one is very worrying. And f**long holding everything up.
Never trust an Aussie.0 -
Be patient,u know the rules...😉flyingkiwiDK said:Airman Brown said:
I’m going to write more tomorrow.irudd123 said:
Is that your ex Directors statement, or is there something else on the horizon?Airman Brown said:
Point is that things are moving, of which RD’s statement is one aspect, and there is some solid information coming into the public domain, with more likely to follow. So it’s not the case that we are simply going over old ground at all. Even if it feels like it!MartinCAFC said:
I don't think AFKA was saying not to discuss the takeover. Without speaking for him my interpretation of the point he was making was a very similar viewpoint to mine in that it does seem for about the umpteenth time we're all arguing with each other over whether a price has really been agreed or not and have The Aussies got the money? And I make AFKA correct it does almost feel like we are picking over quotes from the last 12 months where no doubt there is a mixture of spin, truth and lies in there and frankly it does get tedious and tiresome to keep re-reading it over and over.Airman Brown said:
Of course you can - and I did, all over the country last season. I was responding to AFKA who has been arguing (see above) that more people should go to matches and that discussing the takeover situation is pointless, to paraphrase. Obviously it’s entirely open to anyone what they do, I just find it a bit odd for the owner of a message board to argue that such discussion is pointless.Redskin said:
Jesus wept, you can be fully aware of the negligence of the owner and the damage being inflicted on the club and still support the team without thinking it's a solution to the problems.Airman Brown said:
No, it means that it won’t of itself enable the team to be successful. Some people seem to think that asking questions and exploring what is going on is somehow exclusive of or detracts from “supporting the team”. However as Redskin himself points out, Bowyer and the team are oblivious to this discussion.Covered End said:
I think you may need to clarify this, because it reads that there is no point Charlton fans supporting the team above L1.Airman Brown said:
Yes, in L1 where Charlton will always be competitive because about two thirds of the division are perennial strugglers. In the Championship that won’t cut it for very long, as a series of small clubs have found out.Redskin said:
Well, Bowyer and the team seemed to think that supporting the team was was of considerable use to them.I don't recall them commenting on the use of 17,000 pages of gossip and conjecture on a Charlton forum...Airman Brown said:
Probably because many of us realise that just chanting “support the team” isn’t much use in the medium term unless the owner does so as well.AFKABartram said:Seems we are back to micro analysing details without anyone really knowing whether those details are the real issue or not.
Weve been in a similar round to this about 6 or 7 times over the last two years. I’ve absolutely no idea why some people wrap themselves up so much in it.
I think we can all agree the owner is of little use at all.
You can, if you want, stick your fingers in your ears and join RD is his delusion that having the lowest budget in the division (according to Bowyer) doesn’t mean we can’t get promoted. You can ignore the fact that teams with Charlton’s likely budget usually go down. But shouting louder at matches still won’t be a solution.
There's probably an easier solution out there which would be to create a flow chart of all the possible theories that have been discussed over the last two years, 1672 pages and 51k comments to save reading the same arguments over and over again.
Why not just tell us now?0 -
Can I buy your house from you but pay you when I win the National Lottery?golfaddick said:Covered End said:
Someone wants the ex-director loans paid off and it isn't RD so it must be The Aussies.soapboxsam said:Covered End said:
I'm not 100% certain.cafcwill said:Apoligies if this has been asked and answered before, but just for clairification
Do all of the directors have to be paid off in order for the sale to be completed or can the 3 be kept on for the prospective new owners to sort out?
I.E. Roland has paid off the £4 Million of the & £7 million and made deals with these 4 (?) directors, leaving the other 3 with charges on the title still. This will be seen as a reduction of cost from the Aussies side (if they want the clean title, which it seems they do)
OR
Do all 7 have to be paid off in order for the charge to be removed? (what i think i mean is the charges 1 single Charge or 7 individual charges )?
(i think i have made sense there, apoligies if i haven't)
However, the sale can go through with the ex-director loans remaining, as they have done in the previous 2 sales.
The Aussies want all the loans repaid, so it doesn't matter whether or not there are 7 individual charges.
The question as to why The Aussies want the loans repaid remains unanswered.
Obviously, to obtain clean title, but why ?
The answers are because they do end of, or because their possible financiers demand it so.
Sorry I'm struggling to keep up, but where and when was this quoted that the Aussies want all loans paid off ? There are 1676 pages !
Plus by whom ?
The Aussies want them paid off so they own CAFC 100%, without any mortgages/charges ranking in front of them.
The only way this can be achieved (clean title/100% ownership) is if all the loans are paid off.
So it's common sense.
Cant had added to read another 7 pages so I'll say what I'vd said since the play offs last season.......
The loans dont have to be repaid now. The ex-directors arent asking for them to be repaid now. RD doesn't have to repay them now. The only people who are wanting them to be repaid now are the new owners. That being the case I would seriously ask why. They could always buy the club now & repay them in 6 or 12 months. The fact that they want clean title from day one is very worrying. And f**long holding everything up.
Never trust an Aussie.0 -
I just want it done and dusted so we can welcome in a new era of more false dawns, disappointments and bobbing along. It’s the Charlton way.1
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