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The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)
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Do employees in the world of football slip off early on Fridays too? Or can we expect something, anything this afternoon?1
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How very dare youBR7_addick said:Do employees in the world of football slip off early on Fridays too? Or can we expect something, anything this afternoon?1 -
This is ALL bollocks!3
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Be lucky if they work at all on a Friday during close seasonBR7_addick said:Do employees in the world of football slip off early on Fridays too? Or can we expect something, anything this afternoon?1 -
I don't remember much outrage when the were rolled over the last 2 times. Why didn't Murray clear them before he sold us to the spivs and we won't be in the mess we are in now...........thewolfboy said:If Duchatelet cocks up this sale to Dalman due to the £7m directors loans then he only has himself to blame and would deserve to lose another £8m this year. It's unbelievable that this director loans saga has been allowed to drift for so many years. How on earth did RD become a billionaire?
It's RD's fault he didn't know about them, not his fault that they are there. I would go as far as he has no moral responsibility to clear them. That however is very diffrent to paying them off to allow the sale to go through.0 -
Exactly.Curb_It said:Think people are getting way ahead of themselves with this Warnock stuff. Talk about jumping to conclusions.
No one is even calling him Colin Wanker anymore.8 -
I can see he has other "Directorships" to his name - mostly around sports and prestige cars
HR Owen Dealerships
London Lotus Centre
Holland Park Limited (Cars)
Broughton's of Cheltenham (HR Owen again)
Jack Barclay Limited (cars again)
H.R.Owen Plc
and Cardiff City Holdings and Cardiff City Football Club
Other dissolved directorships look like "funds" but not looked at them
Under H.R.Owen Plc there are a few other Directors with familiar names..
Robin Tan
U-Peng Tan
Veh Ken Choo
Jack Barclay has Mehmet and Ken Choo once again
Same with Broughton's of Cheltenham
So they have a fair few business interests between them. Whether that would make it easier of harder for him to sever ties with Cardiff remains to be seen.
Just thought I would raise this to show his money is not necessarily all from the banking game
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Source?iamdan said:Can confirm I’m not ITK.4 -
So he bought the assets with the loans attached but didn’t understand them because he didn’t do proper due diligence yet they are not his “moral” responsibility. Right.Cafc43v3r said:
I don't remember much outrage when the were rolled over the last 2 times. Why didn't Murray clear them before he sold us to the spivs and we won't be in the mess we are in now...........thewolfboy said:If Duchatelet cocks up this sale to Dalman due to the £7m directors loans then he only has himself to blame and would deserve to lose another £8m this year. It's unbelievable that this director loans saga has been allowed to drift for so many years. How on earth did RD become a billionaire?
It's RD's fault he didn't know about them, not his fault that they are there. I would go as far as he has no moral responsibility to clear them. That however is very diffrent to paying them off to allow the sale to go through.4 -
Agreed but even if he did come here as manager I don't know why people are getting their knickers in a twist about it. As much as I want Bowyer to sign, we don't even know he's going to be here under RD let alone a new owner.The Red Robin said:The Warnock rumour was literally made up yet we're treating it as fact.
If someone said next season we'd have Dalman as owner and Warnock manager I'd bite their hands off.3 -
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Bangs head repeatedly on desk!Cafc43v3r said:
I don't remember much outrage when the were rolled over the last 2 times. Why didn't Murray clear them before he sold us to the spivs and we won't be in the mess we are in now...........thewolfboy said:If Duchatelet cocks up this sale to Dalman due to the £7m directors loans then he only has himself to blame and would deserve to lose another £8m this year. It's unbelievable that this director loans saga has been allowed to drift for so many years. How on earth did RD become a billionaire?
It's RD's fault he didn't know about them, not his fault that they are there. I would go as far as he has no moral responsibility to clear them. That however is very diffrent to paying them off to allow the sale to go through.1 -
I’d bite both hands and feet off for Dalman and Bowyer.Talal said:
Agreed but even if he did come here as manager I don't know why people are getting their knickers in a twist about it. As much as I want Bowyer to sign, we don't even know he's going to be here under RD let alone a new owner.The Red Robin said:The Warnock rumour was literally made up yet we're treating it as fact.
If someone said next season we'd have Dalman as owner and Warnock manager I'd bite their hands off.1 -
Well yeah obviously, but Dalman is what matters most.se9addick said:
I’d bite both hands and feet off for Dalman and Bowyer.Talal said:
Agreed but even if he did come here as manager I don't know why people are getting their knickers in a twist about it. As much as I want Bowyer to sign, we don't even know he's going to be here under RD let alone a new owner.The Red Robin said:The Warnock rumour was literally made up yet we're treating it as fact.
If someone said next season we'd have Dalman as owner and Warnock manager I'd bite their hands off.0 -
se9addick said:
I’d bite both hands and feet off for Dalman and Bowyer.Talal said:
Agreed but even if he did come here as manager I don't know why people are getting their knickers in a twist about it. As much as I want Bowyer to sign, we don't even know he's going to be here under RD let alone a new owner.The Red Robin said:The Warnock rumour was literally made up yet we're treating it as fact.
If someone said next season we'd have Dalman as owner and Warnock manager I'd bite their hands off.
what about your wang?10 -
I hope it never goes on you tube.........JamesSeed said:Not sure if anything came from it yet, but there was a video meeting between Lieven and the Aussies yesterday. Focused on the outstanding issue, the loans.
Great stuff from Doucher yesterday. If this Dalman fella is a good sort, and has the funds to take the cub forward then I’d be more than happy for him m, or the Aussies, to takeover, I just hope it’s done quickly.
Personally I’d much prefer Bowyer to Warnock, even though Warnock is a good manager. Bowyer is a legend, and the players seem to love him.
LDT........."you pay them"
GM........."no, you"
LDT........."no, you"
GM.........."no, YOU"
ad infinitum.
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Don't think they make those computers any moreArsenetatters said:se9addick said:
I’d bite both hands and feet off for Dalman and Bowyer.Talal said:
Agreed but even if he did come here as manager I don't know why people are getting their knickers in a twist about it. As much as I want Bowyer to sign, we don't even know he's going to be here under RD let alone a new owner.The Red Robin said:The Warnock rumour was literally made up yet we're treating it as fact.
If someone said next season we'd have Dalman as owner and Warnock manager I'd bite their hands off.
what about your wang?
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Chris Powell had his players sold Stephens & Kermogant, had his own players knocked back - Dwyer decent looking American attacking midfielder & mediocre Driesen picks turning up at the training ground with suitcases expecting to play.East_Stand_Loopy said:
Oh! And another thing. "Dalman: good football man!"East_Stand_Loopy said:
Sorry, I must be missing something...Scoham said:From the forum that shall not be named - the Welsh journalist said Dalman and Warnock are very close and he’d bring him with him if he takes over.
Who's paying Warnock's wages? Dalman or Tann? As far as I can see, Warnock's contract is with Tann. Would he resign, give up any remaining value of his contract, to come to a club where he will almost certainly unpopular, because he has replaced a club legend?
I don't get the impression Warnock is that stupid...
Some of you consider Two Chalets the antichrist. Let me ask you. Was RD's first action after acquiring Charlton to sack a club legend, and replace him with his own man? Nope.
Yes, he sacked CP, but we were bottom of the table, and had just been knocked out of the F.A. Cup by a lower league team. So, at least, it had the SEMBLANCE of making sense!
So, if Dalman were to come in, and immediately replace Bows with Warnock he would 1) NOT be a good football man, and 2) Begin his tenure as owner of Charlton Athletic in a worse way than Two Chalets did!
Chris Powell may not have been perfect but you can not completely shift the blame onto him for Charlton being bottom of the league. Duchatelet appalling strategy & the way it was carried out was the major factor.17 -
I would need to get a couple of ribs removed, but if that’s what it takes!Arsenetatters said:se9addick said:
I’d bite both hands and feet off for Dalman and Bowyer.Talal said:
Agreed but even if he did come here as manager I don't know why people are getting their knickers in a twist about it. As much as I want Bowyer to sign, we don't even know he's going to be here under RD let alone a new owner.The Red Robin said:The Warnock rumour was literally made up yet we're treating it as fact.
If someone said next season we'd have Dalman as owner and Warnock manager I'd bite their hands off.
what about your wang?5 -
So are you saying the new prospective owners are involved in the negotiations on Bowyers contract?Airman Brown said:
Indeed.Mal said:
Airman Brown, If a Take over was/is so close, would not any prospective new owner have a say in what contract is negotiated with Bowyer?Airman Brown said:Bowyer not signing a contract thus far has more to do with the negotiation being a shambles on the club side than the imminence of a takeover.0 -
I said he has no moral responsibility to clear them, if any new owner was happy for them to roll over that's fine. I then added that that is diffrent to clearing them to allow the sale to go through.Airman Brown said:
So he bought the assets with the loans attached but didn’t understand them because he didn’t do proper due diligence yet they are not his “moral” responsibility. Right.Cafc43v3r said:
I don't remember much outrage when the were rolled over the last 2 times. Why didn't Murray clear them before he sold us to the spivs and we won't be in the mess we are in now...........thewolfboy said:If Duchatelet cocks up this sale to Dalman due to the £7m directors loans then he only has himself to blame and would deserve to lose another £8m this year. It's unbelievable that this director loans saga has been allowed to drift for so many years. How on earth did RD become a billionaire?
It's RD's fault he didn't know about them, not his fault that they are there. I would go as far as he has no moral responsibility to clear them. That however is very diffrent to paying them off to allow the sale to go through.0 -
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It has nothing to do with moral responsibility, it has everything to do with pounds, shillings and pence.Cafc43v3r said:
I said he has no moral responsibility to clear them, if any new owner was happy for them to roll over that's fine. I then added that that is diffrent to clearing them to allow the sale to go through.Airman Brown said:
So he bought the assets with the loans attached but didn’t understand them because he didn’t do proper due diligence yet they are not his “moral” responsibility. Right.Cafc43v3r said:
I don't remember much outrage when the were rolled over the last 2 times. Why didn't Murray clear them before he sold us to the spivs and we won't be in the mess we are in now...........thewolfboy said:If Duchatelet cocks up this sale to Dalman due to the £7m directors loans then he only has himself to blame and would deserve to lose another £8m this year. It's unbelievable that this director loans saga has been allowed to drift for so many years. How on earth did RD become a billionaire?
It's RD's fault he didn't know about them, not his fault that they are there. I would go as far as he has no moral responsibility to clear them. That however is very diffrent to paying them off to allow the sale to go through.
If anyone was to be buy the club with the charges in place then they are effectively paying £7m more than any money that they are handing over. I'm sure that any prospective buyers would be happy to buy the club with the charges still in place, if Roland agreed to reduce his asking price by £7m.
From the moment that Roland bought the club those charges became his responsibility, moral of otherwise.10 -
1735, The first successful appendectomy was performed.8
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Exactly.......particularly your last sentence.superclive98 said:
It has nothing to do with moral responsibility, it has everything to do with pounds, shillings and pence.Cafc43v3r said:
I said he has no moral responsibility to clear them, if any new owner was happy for them to roll over that's fine. I then added that that is diffrent to clearing them to allow the sale to go through.Airman Brown said:
So he bought the assets with the loans attached but didn’t understand them because he didn’t do proper due diligence yet they are not his “moral” responsibility. Right.Cafc43v3r said:
I don't remember much outrage when the were rolled over the last 2 times. Why didn't Murray clear them before he sold us to the spivs and we won't be in the mess we are in now...........thewolfboy said:If Duchatelet cocks up this sale to Dalman due to the £7m directors loans then he only has himself to blame and would deserve to lose another £8m this year. It's unbelievable that this director loans saga has been allowed to drift for so many years. How on earth did RD become a billionaire?
It's RD's fault he didn't know about them, not his fault that they are there. I would go as far as he has no moral responsibility to clear them. That however is very diffrent to paying them off to allow the sale to go through.
If anyone was to be buy the club with the charges in place then they are effectively paying £7m more than any money that they are handing over. I'm sure that any prospective buyers would be happy to buy the club with the charges still in place, if Roland agreed to reduce his asking price by £7m.
From the moment that Roland bought the club those charges became his responsibility, moral of otherwise.1 -
That's my choice yes, the only one moaning is you. What's it like to look stupid ?MrOneLung said:
That’s your choice - stop moaning about it.charltonbob said:
Nobody needs to go to football, it's a habit. A lot of people just go to get pissed up with their mates. Some go for family reasons son & dad etc. but there's always something else you could do with those same people. Coming up to my fourth season of boycotting & I was disappointed to miss the LB effect this past year & especially the Doncaster semi & the scenes from Wembley were fantastic but i won't break MY self imposed boycott. Sadly I think a lot of people got carried away this season & have returned & there will NEVER be a mass boycott that much is certain.paulie8290 said:
Again, some people need to go football, its not about making a sacrifice.PeterGage said:
But the club would not be in his ownership for too long if they were playing to a near-empty stadium. Sadly, not enough fans wishing to make that sacrifice ( but I recognise any, or no action, is an individuals choice).paulie8290 said:
Again, its not about people not wanting change, everone wants him gone, some people need the football in their life to help them.kentred2 said:
By boycotting and not buying season tickets? Not enough want change enough for that as we have seen.CharltonByBlood said:If we are not sold by June 30th We need to turn the pressure on RD massively as much as we can.Enough is enough. So many interested parties and RD is just playing hardball. It's about time we did too, all of us as one.
Also if Roland lost 1 million in ST sales, he would just sell Taylor to make up for
More people like watching Charlton than want to boycott.
Neither are wrong or right but wish they would stop moaning about the others0 -
Come on Bob, dont let it get to you. Hopefully this will all be behind us soon.7
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Correct on all points. If u look and read the original post, it was a quoting someone who said it was crazy how this had gone on for years. My point was if a new owner was happy they rolled over (as the spivs and RD where, regardless of if they knew about or understood them) RD has no moral obligation to pay them for paying thems sake. I also said that doesn't mean he shouldn't pay them to allow the take over to go through.superclive98 said:
It has nothing to do with moral responsibility, it has everything to do with pounds, shillings and pence.Cafc43v3r said:
I said he has no moral responsibility to clear them, if any new owner was happy for them to roll over that's fine. I then added that that is diffrent to clearing them to allow the sale to go through.Airman Brown said:
So he bought the assets with the loans attached but didn’t understand them because he didn’t do proper due diligence yet they are not his “moral” responsibility. Right.Cafc43v3r said:
I don't remember much outrage when the were rolled over the last 2 times. Why didn't Murray clear them before he sold us to the spivs and we won't be in the mess we are in now...........thewolfboy said:If Duchatelet cocks up this sale to Dalman due to the £7m directors loans then he only has himself to blame and would deserve to lose another £8m this year. It's unbelievable that this director loans saga has been allowed to drift for so many years. How on earth did RD become a billionaire?
It's RD's fault he didn't know about them, not his fault that they are there. I would go as far as he has no moral responsibility to clear them. That however is very diffrent to paying them off to allow the sale to go through.
If anyone was to be buy the club with the charges in place then they are effectively paying £7m more than any money that they are handing over. I'm sure that any prospective buyers would be happy to buy the club with the charges still in place, if Roland agreed to reduce his asking price by £7m.
From the moment that Roland bought the club those charges became his responsibility, moral of otherwise.0 -
My understanding is that they haven’t been.cafcwill said:
So are you saying the new prospective owners are involved in the negotiations on Bowyers contract?Airman Brown said:
Indeed.Mal said:
Airman Brown, If a Take over was/is so close, would not any prospective new owner have a say in what contract is negotiated with Bowyer?Airman Brown said:Bowyer not signing a contract thus far has more to do with the negotiation being a shambles on the club side than the imminence of a takeover.0 -
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Some interesting stuff, the Paul bloke reckons if Mehmet does come to Charlton he would bring Warnock with him. Personally I wouldn't be happy with Warnock replacing Bowyer unless Bowyer walked himself. Each to their own though
As Cardiff chairman would Dalmat be responsible for giving Warnock permission to talk to Charlton & if he buys Charlton while working his notice at Cardiff would he then interview Warnock for the Charlton job. Assuming that Warnock wants it of course.
Does anyone really think that somebody with experience of English football would get rid of a young up & coming manager who did such a brilliant job with little budget & is now highly rated just to bring in someone at the end of their career ?3 -
Murray is one of the Directors owed money, so can you explain how you think he should have gone about paying the others and himself before the club was sold?Cafc43v3r said:
I don't remember much outrage when the were rolled over the last 2 times. Why didn't Murray clear them before he sold us to the spivs and we won't be in the mess we are in now...........thewolfboy said:If Duchatelet cocks up this sale to Dalman due to the £7m directors loans then he only has himself to blame and would deserve to lose another £8m this year. It's unbelievable that this director loans saga has been allowed to drift for so many years. How on earth did RD become a billionaire?
It's RD's fault he didn't know about them, not his fault that they are there. I would go as far as he has no moral responsibility to clear them. That however is very diffrent to paying them off to allow the sale to go through.
May I be as bold as to suggest that the Directors not demanding they be paid and parking their debt with no interest payable to some point in the future when repayment would not hurt the club in anyway, was a good thing?
As a byproduct, the loans have also protected the assets from change of use.
There is a lot you can chuck at RM without making it up!1 -
Please take this in the context it was ment, to the post it was a reply to. I wasn't suggesting Murray should have paid them. To paraphrase you, there is plenty to chuck at RD with out making stuff up, which funny enough was sort of the point I was making.Redrobo said:
Murray is one of the Directors owed money, so can you explain how you think he should have gone about paying the others and himself before the club was sold?Cafc43v3r said:
I don't remember much outrage when the were rolled over the last 2 times. Why didn't Murray clear them before he sold us to the spivs and we won't be in the mess we are in now...........thewolfboy said:If Duchatelet cocks up this sale to Dalman due to the £7m directors loans then he only has himself to blame and would deserve to lose another £8m this year. It's unbelievable that this director loans saga has been allowed to drift for so many years. How on earth did RD become a billionaire?
It's RD's fault he didn't know about them, not his fault that they are there. I would go as far as he has no moral responsibility to clear them. That however is very diffrent to paying them off to allow the sale to go through.
May I be as bold as to suggest that the Directors not demanding they be paid and parking their debt with no interest payable to some point in the future when repayment would not hurt the club in anyway, was a good thing?
As a byproduct, the loans have also protected the assets from change of use.
There is a lot you can chuck at RM without making it up!0
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