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I think that's more symptomatic of Chelsea's approach to hiring and firing managers having finally caught up with them. This is the club that have gone through the followinghoof_it_up_to_benty said:
It's fairly ludicrous now how players are catapulted into the top jobs with no experience. Lampard has done little at Derby yet somehow he's a perfect fit at Chelsea because he's a 'legend'.golfaddick said:
Bobby Charlton was a great footballer & won the WC- not so good as a manager though.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Yeah Steven Gerrard, with over 500 premier league appearances, over 100 England caps, a Champions league winner, named in the premier league team of the season 8 times, FIFA world XI 3 times........won't know how to improve Aribo's game.jdsd42 said:Being coached by Gerald is a step down for his career - Bowyer would improve him - Gerald will not - and it is shit football
Mourinho (twice)
Ancelotti
Conte
Benetiz
All 4 imo are top class managers (or have been, personally think Mourinho's time at the top of the game is over). There comes a time when there's no one left having blitzed through top class names, and the availability of top class names coming through aren't forthcoming either committed elsewhere, or think why would I go there.
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Rangers fan here, just wanted to give a Rangers perspective on this transfer. Seems to be a lot of talk about if it's a good move for him or not. Gerrard has done a very good job at Rangers so far, so chat that he hasn't isn't really true. And while I agree that Scottish football isn't the best standard, it's not as bad as you like to think. Several posters have also commented about how talented players come here and go to waste and we don't produce high level players?
Just an example of the players to come from Scotland in the last couple years: Andy Robertson, Virgil Van Dijk, Victor Wanyama, Steven Davis, Stuart Armstrong, John McGinn, Moussa Dembele. Also have players like Alfredo Morelos, Kieran Tierney, James Tavernier, Callum McGregor, Tom Rogic, Odsonne Edouard, James Forrest, Scott Arfield, Glen Kamara, David Turnbull, Scott McKenna, Connor Goldson, Kristopher Ajer and Allan McGregor who would all cut it in the Premier League as well and have been attracting that level of interest. So suggestions that his career will waste away in Scotland just isn't true.
Rangers are a huge club who are only improving, we played 14 European games last season and should have qualified for the knockout stages of the Europa League but still did well in our group. Celtic did make it through. Old Firm games are a big draw and even teams like Aberdeen, Kilmarnock, Hibs, Hearts and even Livingston are getting better and making the league more competitive.
Basically, between playing in Europe, competing for trophies for a huge club and a good stepping stone to the EPL on a good wage in a high pressure environment with a huge media presence, I don't see how Rangers are a bad move for the boy. He seems like a top player though and it sucks for you guys missing out on a big development fee but by the sounds of it you don't seem that bothered about it given your owner. Aribo is expected to have his medical today so hopefully it's all wrapped up soon!20 -
I must admit, I did not know Van Dijk was Scottish.10
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Many thanks for your informative post mate.RFCAM said:Rangers fan here, just wanted to give a Rangers perspective on this transfer. Seems to be a lot of talk about if it's a good move for him or not. Gerrard has done a very good job at Rangers so far, so chat that he hasn't isn't really true. And while I agree that Scottish football isn't the best standard, it's not as bad as you like to think. Several posters have also commented about how talented players come here and go to waste and we don't produce high level players?
Just an example of the players to come from Scotland in the last couple years: Andy Robertson, Virgil Van Dijk, Victor Wanyama, Steven Davis, Stuart Armstrong, John McGinn, Moussa Dembele. Also have players like Alfredo Morelos, Kieran Tierney, James Tavernier, Callum McGregor, Tom Rogic, Odsonne Edouard, James Forrest, Scott Arfield, Glen Kamara, David Turnbull, Scott McKenna, Connor Goldson, Kristopher Ajer and Allan McGregor who would all cut it in the Premier League as well and have been attracting that level of interest. So suggestions that his career will waste away in Scotland just isn't true.
Rangers are a huge club who are only improving, we played 14 European games last season and should have qualified for the knockout stages of the Europa League but still did well in our group. Celtic did make it through. Old Firm games are a big draw and even teams like Aberdeen, Kilmarnock, Hibs, Hearts and even Livingston are getting better and making the league more competitive.
Basically, between playing in Europe, competing for trophies for a huge club and a good stepping stone to the EPL on a good wage in a high pressure environment with a huge media presence, I don't see how Rangers are a bad move for the boy. He seems like a top player though and it sucks for you guys missing out on a big development fee but by the sounds of it you don't seem that bothered about it given your owner. Aribo is expected to have his medical today so hopefully it's all wrapped up soon!
There still remains significant surprise and doubts running through the mind set of Charlton fans re this proposed move to Rangers.......given the amount of interest that’s ‘supposedly’ been shown elsewhere it just doesn’t seem to make much sense.
I must admit, I too share those misgivings.0 -
Praise indeed for Gerrard from Torres as he approaches retirement.
Mind you, he never had the benefit of a quiet word from Lee Bowyer - he could've done a lot better for himself!
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Aribo isn't Scottish either but the point in question is players moving to Scottish clubs and doing pretty well for themselves.The Red Robin said:I must admit, I did not know Van Dijk was Scottish.2 -
It really seems like we have gone all out on this transfer, it doesn't look like we're going to spend much transfer fees this summer so I think we saw the opportunity to get a £5m for £200k and we're going in with a big wage offer and probably a good signing bonus. We know that Celtic were interested because of a leaked transfer list and I'm sure there were a bunch of English clubs too. Sure English clubs throw around a lot of money but £20k + on a 22 year old from League 1 who was probably on £4k a week beforehand? Maybe we just came in at the upper limit of what he was always going to get and he saw Rangers as a step up, playing in Europe and competing for trophies, with still good chances of reaching the EPL. I don't see English clubs coming in for £25-30k for him tbh.SoundAsa£ said:
Many thanks for your informative post mate.RFCAM said:Rangers fan here, just wanted to give a Rangers perspective on this transfer. Seems to be a lot of talk about if it's a good move for him or not. Gerrard has done a very good job at Rangers so far, so chat that he hasn't isn't really true. And while I agree that Scottish football isn't the best standard, it's not as bad as you like to think. Several posters have also commented about how talented players come here and go to waste and we don't produce high level players?
Just an example of the players to come from Scotland in the last couple years: Andy Robertson, Virgil Van Dijk, Victor Wanyama, Steven Davis, Stuart Armstrong, John McGinn, Moussa Dembele. Also have players like Alfredo Morelos, Kieran Tierney, James Tavernier, Callum McGregor, Tom Rogic, Odsonne Edouard, James Forrest, Scott Arfield, Glen Kamara, David Turnbull, Scott McKenna, Connor Goldson, Kristopher Ajer and Allan McGregor who would all cut it in the Premier League as well and have been attracting that level of interest. So suggestions that his career will waste away in Scotland just isn't true.
Rangers are a huge club who are only improving, we played 14 European games last season and should have qualified for the knockout stages of the Europa League but still did well in our group. Celtic did make it through. Old Firm games are a big draw and even teams like Aberdeen, Kilmarnock, Hibs, Hearts and even Livingston are getting better and making the league more competitive.
Basically, between playing in Europe, competing for trophies for a huge club and a good stepping stone to the EPL on a good wage in a high pressure environment with a huge media presence, I don't see how Rangers are a bad move for the boy. He seems like a top player though and it sucks for you guys missing out on a big development fee but by the sounds of it you don't seem that bothered about it given your owner. Aribo is expected to have his medical today so hopefully it's all wrapped up soon!
There still remains significant surprise and doubts running through the mind set of Charlton fans re this proposed move to Rangers.......given the amount of interest that’s ‘supposedly’ been shown elsewhere it just doesn’t seem to make much sense.
I must admit, I too share those misgivings.0 -
Very few of those players are 'Players to come from Scotland' as you put it. Just because they've at some time played there doesn't mean they're from Scotland. The list of players you say are attracting interest, I don't know about other posters but I haven't heard many of their names, certainly not that I can recall.RFCAM said:
Aribo isn't Scottish either but the point in question is players moving to Scottish clubs and doing pretty well for themselves.The Red Robin said:I must admit, I did not know Van Dijk was Scottish.
Obviously not intending any offence, I simply don't follow Scottish Football.1 -
Congrats. 300k is a steal. Look after him and you will have a £10m+ player on your hands in a couple of years.RFCAM said:Rangers fan here, just wanted to give a Rangers perspective on this transfer. Seems to be a lot of talk about if it's a good move for him or not. Gerrard has done a very good job at Rangers so far, so chat that he hasn't isn't really true. And while I agree that Scottish football isn't the best standard, it's not as bad as you like to think. Several posters have also commented about how talented players come here and go to waste and we don't produce high level players?
Just an example of the players to come from Scotland in the last couple years: Andy Robertson, Virgil Van Dijk, Victor Wanyama, Steven Davis, Stuart Armstrong, John McGinn, Moussa Dembele. Also have players like Alfredo Morelos, Kieran Tierney, James Tavernier, Callum McGregor, Tom Rogic, Odsonne Edouard, James Forrest, Scott Arfield, Glen Kamara, David Turnbull, Scott McKenna, Connor Goldson, Kristopher Ajer and Allan McGregor who would all cut it in the Premier League as well and have been attracting that level of interest. So suggestions that his career will waste away in Scotland just isn't true.
Rangers are a huge club who are only improving, we played 14 European games last season and should have qualified for the knockout stages of the Europa League but still did well in our group. Celtic did make it through. Old Firm games are a big draw and even teams like Aberdeen, Kilmarnock, Hibs, Hearts and even Livingston are getting better and making the league more competitive.
Basically, between playing in Europe, competing for trophies for a huge club and a good stepping stone to the EPL on a good wage in a high pressure environment with a huge media presence, I don't see how Rangers are a bad move for the boy. He seems like a top player though and it sucks for you guys missing out on a big development fee but by the sounds of it you don't seem that bothered about it given your owner. Aribo is expected to have his medical today so hopefully it's all wrapped up soon!0 -
That's exactly the same situation as Aribo though. The point that has been made several times by people in this thread is that players who go to Scotland waste their careers when that in fact is just not true. Many players have went from Scottish clubs to the top of the game.Dazzler21 said:
Very few of those players are 'Players to come from Scotland' as you put it. Just because they've at some time played there doesn't mean they're from Scotland. The list of players you say are attracting interest, I don't know about other posters but I haven't heard many of their names, certainly not that I can recall.RFCAM said:
Aribo isn't Scottish either but the point in question is players moving to Scottish clubs and doing pretty well for themselves.The Red Robin said:I must admit, I did not know Van Dijk was Scottish.
Obviously not intending any offence, I simply don't follow Scottish Football.
As for attracting interest, Arsenal bid £15m for Tierney this week and had it rejected, McGregor is a £17m target for Leicester City, Tavernier has been linked to Aston Villa, Morelos linked with Newcastle/Marseille/Bordeaux, Arfield was linked with Crystal Palace, Kamara linked with Brighton after 6 months at Rangers from Dundee, Turnbull just rejected Norwich to sign for Celtic from Motherwell for £3m, we signed Goldson from Brighton for £3m last summer who was in and around their Premier League team despite having heart surgery, James Forrest has been linked with 8 figure moves. McKenna at Aberdeen is being valued at £5-10m... Plenty of good players in Scotland, especially at Rangers and Celtic and for people to say it's a wasted move for him just isn't true.
Also not meaning to sound offended or defensive over it because I'm also not trying to say it's an amazing league either aha. And don't want to clutter your forum with an outside poster rambling on so probably won't post much more unless invited to!8 - Sponsored links:
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The overwhelming majority of players at the top English clubs don’t originate from England either.Dazzler21 said:
Very few of those players are 'Players to come from Scotland' as you put it. Just because they've at some time played there doesn't mean they're from Scotland. The list of players you say are attracting interest, I don't know about other posters but I haven't heard many of their names, certainly not that I can recall.RFCAM said:
Aribo isn't Scottish either but the point in question is players moving to Scottish clubs and doing pretty well for themselves.The Red Robin said:I must admit, I did not know Van Dijk was Scottish.
Obviously not intending any offence, I simply don't follow Scottish Football.1 -
other views are always welcome mate especially when well made like yours.RFCAM said:
That's exactly the same situation as Aribo though. The point that has been made several times by people in this thread is that players who go to Scotland waste their careers when that in fact is just not true. Many players have went from Scottish clubs to the top of the game.Dazzler21 said:
Very few of those players are 'Players to come from Scotland' as you put it. Just because they've at some time played there doesn't mean they're from Scotland. The list of players you say are attracting interest, I don't know about other posters but I haven't heard many of their names, certainly not that I can recall.RFCAM said:
Aribo isn't Scottish either but the point in question is players moving to Scottish clubs and doing pretty well for themselves.The Red Robin said:I must admit, I did not know Van Dijk was Scottish.
Obviously not intending any offence, I simply don't follow Scottish Football.
As for attracting interest, Arsenal bid £15m for Tierney this week and had it rejected, McGregor is a £17m target for Leicester City, Tavernier has been linked to Aston Villa, Morelos linked with Newcastle/Marseille/Bordeaux, Arfield was linked with Crystal Palace, Kamara linked with Brighton after 6 months at Rangers from Dundee, Turnbull just rejected Norwich to sign for Celtic from Motherwell for £3m, we signed Goldson from Brighton for £3m last summer who was in and around their Premier League team despite having heart surgery, James Forrest has been linked with 8 figure moves. McKenna at Aberdeen is being valued at £5-10m... Plenty of good players in Scotland, especially at Rangers and Celtic and for people to say it's a wasted move for him just isn't true.
Also not meaning to sound offended or defensive over it because I'm also not trying to say it's an amazing league either aha. And don't want to clutter your forum with an outside poster rambling on so probably won't post much more unless invited to!
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How would you guys rate Aribo's creativity? We've been crying out for a #10 who can play a killer pass and score goals and I get the sense Aribo isn't that sort of player? More like a player who will battle for the ball and drive forward with his dribbling?0
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And I wouldn't say they come from England!Mametz said:
The overwhelming majority of players at the top English clubs don’t originate from England either.Dazzler21 said:
Very few of those players are 'Players to come from Scotland' as you put it. Just because they've at some time played there doesn't mean they're from Scotland. The list of players you say are attracting interest, I don't know about other posters but I haven't heard many of their names, certainly not that I can recall.RFCAM said:
Aribo isn't Scottish either but the point in question is players moving to Scottish clubs and doing pretty well for themselves.The Red Robin said:I must admit, I did not know Van Dijk was Scottish.
Obviously not intending any offence, I simply don't follow Scottish Football.
@RFCAM You're getting a quick and tricky midfielder that can at times unlock any defence, but in the same game can go missing for long periods and look somewhat lethargic.
When he is on it, he is really on it.
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celtic > southampton > liverpool
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I should imagine he will definitely get you goals - I’d expect him to get to comfortably get to double figures in that league.RFCAM said:How would you guys rate Aribo's creativity? We've been crying out for a #10 who can play a killer pass and score goals and I get the sense Aribo isn't that sort of player? More like a player who will battle for the ball and drive forward with his dribbling?0 -
I mean as a Rangers fan I'd rather not praise Celtic signings but even going from Celtic to Southampton who were a top 7 club for £13m is a pretty good career move no? And it doesn't matter where he went first really, it's still that Scottish clubs have a conveyor belt of good players who go on and do well in the Premier League, same as Aribo could do.palarsehater said:celtic > southampton > liverpool
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Via WIllem II's academy and 60+ games for Groningen.palarsehater said:celtic > southampton > liverpool
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If he got 9 goals in League 1 I would expect him to score similar here.ricky_otto said:
I should imagine he will definitely get you goals - I’d expect him to get to comfortably get to double figures in that league.RFCAM said:How would you guys rate Aribo's creativity? We've been crying out for a #10 who can play a killer pass and score goals and I get the sense Aribo isn't that sort of player? More like a player who will battle for the ball and drive forward with his dribbling?
Also worth saying that Greg Docherty who wasn't good enough to get into our team went on loan to Shrewsbury and scored 10 goals from midfield for them last season playing in League One, 7 in the league and 3 in cups. Him and Rossiter got glowing reviews playing in League One and neither will get into our team. Not that I'm saying Aribo won't, but just as another point about the standard.0 -
Isn’t it going to be the same with Joe? Staines academy, then a few games for us then on to Scotland with Rangers.The Red Robin said:
Via WIllem II's academy and 60+ games for Groningen.palarsehater said:celtic > southampton > liverpool
was van dijks journey
The claim was never that he came out of their academy? Just that going north to Scotland isn’t the total career suicide that many are making out. Don’t be salty for the sake of it.4 - Sponsored links:
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Yes but Aribo is further on in his development than all of the players you have named and he would be about to play in a league far superior to the SPL. He could be playing in the EPL as soon as next January so we see a move to the SPL as a sideways step at the very best.RFCAM said:
I mean as a Rangers fan I'd rather not praise Celtic signings but even going from Celtic to Southampton who were a top 7 club for £13m is a pretty good career move no? And it doesn't matter where he went first really, it's still that Scottish clubs have a conveyor belt of good players who go on and do well in the Premier League, same as Aribo could do.palarsehater said:celtic > southampton > liverpool
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Correct, merely a point to say that careers don't go to die in Scotland as proved many times in the last couple seasons.Callumcafc said:
Isn’t it going to be the same with Joe? Staines academy, then a few games for us then on to Scotland with Rangers.The Red Robin said:
Via WIllem II's academy and 60+ games for Groningen.palarsehater said:celtic > southampton > liverpool
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The claim was never that he came out of their academy? Don’t be salty for the sake of it.1 -
RFCAM said:How would you guys rate Aribo's creativity? We've been crying out for a #10 who can play a killer pass and score goals and I get the sense Aribo isn't that sort of player? More like a player who will battle for the ball and drive forward with his dribbling?
Correct assessment. He can pick a pass but he's not a No. 100 -
From your perspective how many teams from the Scottish PL would be competitive in the English Championship?RFCAM said:
Correct, merely a point to say that careers don't go to die in Scotland as proved many times in the last couple seasons.Callumcafc said:
Isn’t it going to be the same with Joe? Staines academy, then a few games for us then on to Scotland with Rangers.The Red Robin said:
Via WIllem II's academy and 60+ games for Groningen.palarsehater said:celtic > southampton > liverpool
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The claim was never that he came out of their academy? Don’t be salty for the sake of it.0 -
Aribo is 22 playing in League One?NorthumberlandAddick said:
Yes but Aribo is further on in his development than all of the players you have named and he would be about to play in a league far superior to the SPL. He could be playing in the EPL as soon as next January so we see a move to the SPL as a sideways step at the very best.RFCAM said:
I mean as a Rangers fan I'd rather not praise Celtic signings but even going from Celtic to Southampton who were a top 7 club for £13m is a pretty good career move no? And it doesn't matter where he went first really, it's still that Scottish clubs have a conveyor belt of good players who go on and do well in the Premier League, same as Aribo could do.palarsehater said:celtic > southampton > liverpool
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All of the players I mentioned are same age or older and have Champions League or Europa League experience while winning trophies. I really don't see how you can say Aribo is further on in his development.0 -
Be Interesting if Gerard has the same high regard in the end as I know he wasn’t to keen in the weeks leading up to the Chelsea moveRaith_C_Chattonell said:Praise indeed for Gerrard from Torres as he approaches retirement.
Mind you, he never had the benefit of a quiet word from Lee Bowyer - he could've done a lot better for himself!0 -
IMO: Rangers and Celtic would become Newcastle-lite. Majority of seasons in the top tier, loads of passionate fans but bottom half finishes at best with the odd season in the second tier.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
From your perspective how many teams from the Scottish PL would be competitive in the English Championship?RFCAM said:
Correct, merely a point to say that careers don't go to die in Scotland as proved many times in the last couple seasons.Callumcafc said:
Isn’t it going to be the same with Joe? Staines academy, then a few games for us then on to Scotland with Rangers.The Red Robin said:
Via WIllem II's academy and 60+ games for Groningen.palarsehater said:celtic > southampton > liverpool
was van dijks journey
The claim was never that he came out of their academy? Don’t be salty for the sake of it.
Aberdeen would be mid table Championship. Like a Nottm Forest or Sheff Wed type.
Kilmarnock just got promoted from League One and will do well to survive this coming season. Similar to a Barnsley.
Hearts and Hibs are nothing special right now so on current performance might battle for League One play offs?
The rest are Shrewsbury/Rochdale/Scunthorpe level at best.3 -
Don't worry @RFCAM you can give as many facts and examples as you like but to many on here those grapes will still be sour.
He's a good player who does the unpredictable, perhaps because he didn't come through the traditional academy route.
He's an old fashioned tanner ball player merged with a modern players physique.
He can blow hot and cold but is good more often than bad, he creates and scores goals and, having spent time in our development squad, will have a good work ethic and attitude.
Good luck to him, I say.4 -
Hard to compare English and Scottish football.
However the evidence of a very limited Charlton sample is:
Josh Magennis scored double figures (10 each season) for us in two consecutive seasons as a striker (in league 1) and scored 10 and 8 (working backwards) for Kilmarnock in the two seasons before joining us which suggests that the level is not vastly different by and large.
Joe Aribo scored double figures for us (in league 1) as a midfielder in the season just gone plus a number of assists. He will do well at Rangers in my opinion.
Whether he could have got an even better move is open to debate.
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I think as it stands, Celtic would be a PL team, Rangers top end Championship team, maybe progressing to relegation PL, Aberdeen and Kilmarnock bottom end Championship team, Hibs, Hearts top end League One teams and the rest bottom of League One. Given the fact it's a 12 team league it's not a bad spread with a 1/3 to 1/2 of the teams at a good level.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
From your perspective how many teams from the Scottish PL would be competitive in the English Championship?RFCAM said:
Correct, merely a point to say that careers don't go to die in Scotland as proved many times in the last couple seasons.Callumcafc said:
Isn’t it going to be the same with Joe? Staines academy, then a few games for us then on to Scotland with Rangers.The Red Robin said:
Via WIllem II's academy and 60+ games for Groningen.palarsehater said:celtic > southampton > liverpool
was van dijks journey
The claim was never that he came out of their academy? Don’t be salty for the sake of it.
To answer your question, probably 4. But potentially 2 who would be competitive in the PL.2
