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BBC Sports Personality of the Year
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I’ll get digs for this again.
No sportsperson should be permitted to represent a nation based upon simply having lived there for X years in my opinion.
If you’re not born in a country but have parents (or at a push - grandparents) that were born there....then fair enough.
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Stokes the individual award .. CAFC the team award1
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Lyle Taylor should win.
Patrick Bauer overseas winner.2 -
Which leads me to say, what a year it will have been if England can win the Ashes, what with Charlton at Wembley,ODI World Cup, The Ashes, and also possibly Rugby World Cup too.!smudge7946 said:Lyle Taylor should win.
Patrick Bauer overseas winner.
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Overseas is jointly awarded to Joel Wilson and Kumar Dharmasena obviously9
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Shame he withdrew as Stokes could have been New Zealander and British Sports Personality in the same year!0
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I agree with that. I am loving watching Archer but I still don't think he should be playing for England even with an English father.SuedeAdidas said:I’ll get digs for this again.
No sportsperson should be permitted to represent a nation based upon simply having lived there for X years in my opinion.
If you’re not born in a country but have parents (or at a push - grandparents) that were born there....then fair enough.0 -
The problem I have with Archer and KP isn't that they weren't born in England but they both wanted to play for their country of birth until they weren't picked then moved as professionals to England.cafcfan1990 said:
I agree with that. I am loving watching Archer but I still don't think he should be playing for England even with an English father.SuedeAdidas said:I’ll get digs for this again.
No sportsperson should be permitted to represent a nation based upon simply having lived there for X years in my opinion.
If you’re not born in a country but have parents (or at a push - grandparents) that were born there....then fair enough.
Cricket is difficult because of the few countries that play and the close links between the countries. Its quite possible you could have world class cricketers that are born in countries that don't play cricket.
If you were born in Holland, to Dutch parents, sent to an English boarding school at 12, signed for Surrey at 16. Should you be able to play test match cricket?
At least its not as bad as rugby union I am sure it was Fiji v the all blacks when Fiji had more new Zealand born players and the all blacks had more born in Fiji.0 -
Both Archer and KP are half-english, so the dutch analogy doesn't really apply? It would apply more to the Currans who aren't english in the slightestCafc43v3r said:
The problem I have with Archer and KP isn't that they weren't born in England but they both wanted to play for their country of birth until they weren't picked then moved as professionals to England.cafcfan1990 said:
I agree with that. I am loving watching Archer but I still don't think he should be playing for England even with an English father.SuedeAdidas said:I’ll get digs for this again.
No sportsperson should be permitted to represent a nation based upon simply having lived there for X years in my opinion.
If you’re not born in a country but have parents (or at a push - grandparents) that were born there....then fair enough.
Cricket is difficult because of the few countries that play and the close links between the countries. Its quite possible you could have world class cricketers that are born in countries that don't play cricket.
If you were born in Holland, to Dutch parents, sent to an English boarding school at 12, signed for Surrey at 16. Should you be able to play test match cricket?
At least its not as bad as rugby union I am sure it was Fiji v the all blacks when Fiji had more new Zealand born players and the all blacks had more born in Fiji.2 -
If you have citizenship for a country you should be able to represent that country.SuedeAdidas said:I’ll get digs for this again.
No sportsperson should be permitted to represent a nation based upon simply having lived there for X years in my opinion.
If you’re not born in a country but have parents (or at a push - grandparents) that were born there....then fair enough.
However once you've commited to a country at adult level, that should be that, no more changing.2 -
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Also, what's he doing on a list of UK sport people when he lives in Monaco so as not to contribute to the British exchequer?palarsehater said:Hamilton should have won it. Thomas did great but Froome did better and didn't win it.
Yes but he’s a prick won’t forget when he was a no show at the london gp event - that is where kids that have no chance of seeing drivers and cars would be and he couldn’t be fucked to turn up - guys a prat.
If Stokes doesn't win this year, everybody who voted for the person who does win deserves having their TVs taken away.0 -
All people who live in Monaco aren't British?AddicksAddict said:
Also, what's he doing on a list of UK sport people when he lives in Monaco so as not to contribute to the British exchequer?palarsehater said:Hamilton should have won it. Thomas did great but Froome did better and didn't win it.
Yes but he’s a prick won’t forget when he was a no show at the london gp event - that is where kids that have no chance of seeing drivers and cars would be and he couldn’t be fucked to turn up - guys a prat.
If Stokes doesn't win this year, everybody who voted for the person who does win deserves having their TVs taken away.0 -
What so anybody who lives abroad is no longer British anymore? What a load of total and utter bollocks. What about all the expats on this forum - no longer British?AddicksAddict said:
Also, what's he doing on a list of UK sport people when he lives in Monaco so as not to contribute to the British exchequer?palarsehater said:Hamilton should have won it. Thomas did great but Froome did better and didn't win it.
Yes but he’s a prick won’t forget when he was a no show at the london gp event - that is where kids that have no chance of seeing drivers and cars would be and he couldn’t be fucked to turn up - guys a prat.
If Stokes doesn't win this year, everybody who voted for the person who does win deserves having their TVs taken away.0 -
Where does the CWC winning captain fit into all this then?0
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Just being captain isn't enough.0
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All this "Stokes for SPOTY" is spectacularly premature. Yes his performance at the world cup was tremendous. Yes his 2nd innings at Headingley was remarkable indeed. But tossing away his wicket in the first innings was just as reprehensible as 6 or 7 of his colleagues that day. If England don't win the Ashes then Headingley will just be a footnote, one of the 100 great sporting moments that the Beeb no longer shows. The chances of England now winning one and avoiding defeat in the other are still very slim indeed. Stokes has the biggest balls in that squad but he can't win it on his own. Smith, Bayliss and captain cretin will ensure that England takes the field at Old Trafford with one hand tied behind its back. I'd love to be wrong...0
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I’ve no idea on his heritage background - but should never have been able to play for England having represented Ireland at a senior level.Weegie Addick said:Where does the CWC winning captain fit into all this then?0 -
Sam and Middle brother Ben (Northants) were born in Northampton. I believe their mother is English too. They did move to Zimbabwe (Father Kevins country of birth) at a young age and spend some time there but returned to the UK in their early teens for School. About half their life before the age of 18 was in the UK. Same with Tom except he was born in SA.Pelling1993 said:
Both Archer and KP are half-english, so the dutch analogy doesn't really apply? It would apply more to the Currans who aren't english in the slightestCafc43v3r said:
The problem I have with Archer and KP isn't that they weren't born in England but they both wanted to play for their country of birth until they weren't picked then moved as professionals to England.cafcfan1990 said:
I agree with that. I am loving watching Archer but I still don't think he should be playing for England even with an English father.SuedeAdidas said:I’ll get digs for this again.
No sportsperson should be permitted to represent a nation based upon simply having lived there for X years in my opinion.
If you’re not born in a country but have parents (or at a push - grandparents) that were born there....then fair enough.
Cricket is difficult because of the few countries that play and the close links between the countries. Its quite possible you could have world class cricketers that are born in countries that don't play cricket.
If you were born in Holland, to Dutch parents, sent to an English boarding school at 12, signed for Surrey at 16. Should you be able to play test match cricket?
At least its not as bad as rugby union I am sure it was Fiji v the all blacks when Fiji had more new Zealand born players and the all blacks had more born in Fiji.0 -
Stokes has to win, he really has acheived a lot this year.
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Think he just lost half his votes
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If that's Ben Stokes driving the cab, we have a chance of converting him. Says Katrien.0
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England win Rugby World Cup, Coach & team of the year, Captain Farrel wins the SPOTY.
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Surely Dina Asher-Smith is in with a shout for this now? A very impressive young lady not only her achievements but she is articulate, humble and inspirational. Seems very emotionally mature too and a good role model5
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Would love her to win.PrincessFiona said:Surely Dina Asher-Smith is in with a shout for this now? A very impressive young lady not only her achievements but she is articulate, humble and inspirational. Seems very emotionally mature too and a good role model1 -
Of course I'm hoping KJT gets a gold too (and what a start she's made with 2 PBs already!). But then they'd both be up for the award and could split the athletics vote. Up til now I was all for Ben Stokes but Dina for it for me. Followed by KJT if she gets gold toohoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Would love her to win.PrincessFiona said:Surely Dina Asher-Smith is in with a shout for this now? A very impressive young lady not only her achievements but she is articulate, humble and inspirational. Seems very emotionally mature too and a good role model0 -
Asher -Smith with her medals, Hamilton winning yet another Championship, but Stokes will walk it.0
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Unless there is a cock up and all his votes go to the wrong place. Then Stoke will win team of the year!5
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Petrol heads would vote for Hamilton but I don't think he'll win it because people's opinion of him is mixed and that comes into it. I think Asher-Smith will run Stokes close - no pun intended on 'run' because she'd win that one!MuttleyCAFC said:Asher -Smith with her medals, Hamilton winning yet another Championship, but Stokes will walk it.0 -
Fantastic innings but the overall objective was to win the Ashes which wasn’t met. I’m sure Hamilton will win another F1 crown so he would get my vote. Not that I would vote for such a phoney award.MuttleyCAFC said:Unless there is a cock up and all his votes go to the wrong place. Then Stoke will win team of the year!0
