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  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    Croydon said:
    There's a reason everybody hates us, jealousy.
    Regarding the UK / Brits and France - it's amazing how the French can often have such a dim view, but drive around in Minis, with Union Jacks plastered all over em and buy Union Jack / London inspired merchandise. You do see it for sale in homeware shops and supermarkets all the time, stationary, those cheap wall prints with red phone boxes on em.
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    Yet they won't stock UK cheeses, of any type, except for a couple of weeks in the summer for the tourists, and that is the worst type of chedder
  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,026
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:
    Yet they won't stock UK cheeses, of any type, except for a couple of weeks in the summer for the tourists, and that is the worst type of chedder
    What sort of tourist would go to France and want to eat Cheddar? They deserve the very worst kind.
  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    It is a litmus test of what people think of us. Yes it is a petty example as it doesn't matter, but it is an opportunity for the view of us from others to come out. If you can't see that I would throw the what a load of bollocks back to you. It is a poll from Europe that confirms they don't like us. Most people draw the conclusion from it that we are not liked. You probably think our songs are relatively worse than Dim, dimmy dum, sing a lovely song. Mind you a few of our songs have been, but surely not all. 
    The clue is in the title.
    Song Contest.
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    edited November 2019
    Stig said:
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:
    Yet they won't stock UK cheeses, of any type, except for a couple of weeks in the summer for the tourists, and that is the worst type of chedder
    What sort of tourist would go to France and want to eat Cheddar? They deserve the very worst kind.

    Would you say the same to a Frenchman looking for a decent bit of Roquefort or Brie in a UK supermarket?


    It's more to do with the UK embracing cultures and cuisine from all over the world, and you can go to a supermarket in the UK and they have a choice of cheeses from all over, yet the French won't stock a decent chedder or wensleydale, not specifically for tourists or expats but maybe, god forbid, the French, who might even like a foreign but of cheese given to opportunity to try it. The foreign food shelves in our local supermarkets are about 4 meters long and consist of McVitties biscuits and sweet pickle, fajitas (the ones that taste nothing like genuine fajitas), there'll be some tins of "tapas" and then the pot noodle type stuff and sweet chilli sauces to satisfy those who fancy going a bit Asian in the kitchen. 
  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,026
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:
    Stig said:
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:
    Yet they won't stock UK cheeses, of any type, except for a couple of weeks in the summer for the tourists, and that is the worst type of chedder
    What sort of tourist would go to France and want to eat Cheddar? They deserve the very worst kind.

    Would you say the same to a Frenchman looking for a decent bit of Roquefort or Brie in a UK supermarket?


    It's more to do with the UK embracing cultures and cuisine from all over the world, and you can go to a supermarket in the UK and they have a choice of cheeses from all over, yet the French won't stock a decent chedder or wensleydale, not specifically for tourists or expats but maybe, god forbid, the French, who might even like a foreign but of cheese given to opportunity to try it. The foreign food shelves in our local supermarkets are about 4 meters long and consist of McVitties biscuits and sweet pickle, fajitas (the ones that taste nothing like genuine fajitas), there'll be some tins of "tapas" and then the pot noodle type stuff and sweet chilli sauces to satisfy those who fancy going a bit Asian in the kitchen. 
    Probably not, but my comment wasn't so much about what supermarkets choose to stock as pricking the bubble of people who go away for a week or two and expect to eat exactly what they have at home. Embrace the local cuisine is what I'd say to any tourist be they British or French. 

    Sorry to hear that your local shops appear to be run like this:


  • stevexreeve
    stevexreeve Posts: 1,386
    French aren't interested in English food (except le sandwich) but love their music.

    English aren't interested in French music but love their food!
  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,026
    stevexreeve said:
    French aren't interested in English food (except le sandwich) but love their music.

    English aren't interested in French music but love their food!
    Bringing the two together, I love Elmer Food Beat.
  • Carter
    Carter Posts: 14,247
    To be fair, if you are used to eating cheese in France, proper smelly, tasty stuff then tried a bland english cheddar you would baulk having the stuff in the supermarches too

    Some French food is delightful, the more weird stuff like snails and frogs legs are unnecessary and disgusting. Much like the French as a whole 
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,955
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:
    Yet they won't stock UK cheeses, of any type, except for a couple of weeks in the summer for the tourists, and that is the worst type of chedder
    My French family and friends adore Stilton and the extra mature Cornish Cruncher cheddar which I'm requested to bring over (which anybody can buy in Marks & Spencer, even in Paris).

    As you'll know, Ibborg, the French love their local regional cheeses ..... for example, go to a supermarche in Burgundy, and much of the range is local Burgundy country cheeses, often unpasturised. 

    In fact, it's not just cheese .... France can be very regional with it's foods.


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  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,256
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:
    NornIrishAddick said:
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:
    seth plum said:
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:
    The more this thread goes on, the more English I feel. Regarding being European, we, English / British, are absolutely nothing like any other European nationality I have ever met
    Absolutely nothing like the Welsh, Scots or Irish?
    Nope, nothing like em. If you look at the home nations there are obviously differences, but because the Scots, Welsh and Irish are basically wannabe English, none of us are like the continental Europeans, in my humble lived experience 


    If it helps, I can safely say that, with certain exceptions, the Irish are not wannabe English.  Even Ian Paisley, FWIW, described himself as an Irish man and a Unionist, like Edward Carson. 
    I'll be honest mate, I only say that as a joke because I've had the following said to me, on 2 different occasions, by 2 different Irishmen - "There are 2 types of people in this world. The Irish and those who want to be Irish"
    I remember World Cup 94.  I was in year 8 at secondary school, and as england didn't qualify, I never knew I had so many schoolmates who were suddenly of Irish descent.  
  • eaststandmike
    eaststandmike Posts: 14,956
    Carter said:
    To be fair, if you are used to eating cheese in France, proper smelly, tasty stuff then tried a bland english cheddar you would baulk having the stuff in the supermarches too

    Some French food is delightful, the more weird stuff like snails and frogs legs are unnecessary and disgusting. Much like the French as a whole 
    Snails & Frog Legs are a delight and we always eat them when in France. You cannot beat mopping up the garlic butter with French bread once the last snail has been eaten.    
  • Carter
    Carter Posts: 14,247
    eaststandmike said:
    Carter said:
    To be fair, if you are used to eating cheese in France, proper smelly, tasty stuff then tried a bland english cheddar you would baulk having the stuff in the supermarches too

    Some French food is delightful, the more weird stuff like snails and frogs legs are unnecessary and disgusting. Much like the French as a whole 
    Snails & Frog Legs are a delight and we always eat them when in France. You cannot beat mopping up the garlic butter with French bread once the last snail has been eaten.    
    With snails that's just it, they are essentially whelks in garlic butter. Difference is I'd eat a whelk with no seasoning. I've tried snails without garlic butter and they have the taste and texture of the type of flobs you hack up with a bad cold 
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,729
    edited November 2019
    Addickted said:
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    It is a litmus test of what people think of us. Yes it is a petty example as it doesn't matter, but it is an opportunity for the view of us from others to come out. If you can't see that I would throw the what a load of bollocks back to you. It is a poll from Europe that confirms they don't like us. Most people draw the conclusion from it that we are not liked. You probably think our songs are relatively worse than Dim, dimmy dum, sing a lovely song. Mind you a few of our songs have been, but surely not all. 
    The clue is in the title.
    Song Contest.
    Fair enough, dismisss my point in that arrogant way. The point still stands that it shows we are not liked. Many people accept it shows that, but hey ho! Fair enough to disagree, but the counter position is not as blindingly obvious as you make out!
  • Wheresmeticket
    Wheresmeticket Posts: 17,304
    edited November 2019
    No
  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,026
    edited November 2019
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    Addickted said:
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    It is a litmus test of what people think of us. Yes it is a petty example as it doesn't matter, but it is an opportunity for the view of us from others to come out. If you can't see that I would throw the what a load of bollocks back to you. It is a poll from Europe that confirms they don't like us. Most people draw the conclusion from it that we are not liked. You probably think our songs are relatively worse than Dim, dimmy dum, sing a lovely song. Mind you a few of our songs have been, but surely not all. 
    The clue is in the title.
    Song Contest.
    Fair enough, dismisss my point in that arrogant way. The point still stands that it shows we are not liked. Many people accept it shows that, but hey ho! Fair enough to disagree, but the counter position is not as blindingly obvious as you make out!
    We've won it five times. Only Ireland and Sweden have won it more. Whatever the Eurovision results show, it's got nothing to do with the UK's supposed unpopularity.
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,856
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    Addickted said:
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    It is a litmus test of what people think of us. Yes it is a petty example as it doesn't matter, but it is an opportunity for the view of us from others to come out. If you can't see that I would throw the what a load of bollocks back to you. It is a poll from Europe that confirms they don't like us. Most people draw the conclusion from it that we are not liked. You probably think our songs are relatively worse than Dim, dimmy dum, sing a lovely song. Mind you a few of our songs have been, but surely not all. 
    The clue is in the title.
    Song Contest.
    Fair enough, dismisss my point in that arrogant way. The point still stands that it shows we are not liked. Many people accept it shows that, but hey ho! Fair enough to disagree, but the counter position is not as blindingly obvious as you make out!
    They hate us so much it is No wonder Europe is desperately trying to kick us out of the EU
  • rananegra
    rananegra Posts: 3,689
    I don't think Europe is trying to kick us out of the EU, that's entirely something wanted by a majority of the English and Ulster Unionists, which hardly counts as all of Europe. Is this a whoosh?

    I think some of Europeans disliking the English is down to behaviour while abroad, but a lot is just "big country syndrome". Most of Germany's neighbours are not too fond, though they may of course remember why. Likewise France. Italy isn't really a country so doesn't have the same impact. Eastern Europeans generally are not keen on Russia because of the influence they have and historic wrongs. Even the Norwegians complain about the Swedes in a similar way as they're perceived to be an arrogant larger neighbour who won't make the effort with the language (they are mutually intelligible but Norwegians can all understand Swedes and Swedes sometimes won't understand Norwegians). 

    Whenever I've been abroad I've never had any problem with being English but have at times wanted to get away from my fellow countrymen. 


  • eaststandmike
    eaststandmike Posts: 14,956
    Carter said:
    eaststandmike said:
    Carter said:
    To be fair, if you are used to eating cheese in France, proper smelly, tasty stuff then tried a bland english cheddar you would baulk having the stuff in the supermarches too

    Some French food is delightful, the more weird stuff like snails and frogs legs are unnecessary and disgusting. Much like the French as a whole 
    Snails & Frog Legs are a delight and we always eat them when in France. You cannot beat mopping up the garlic butter with French bread once the last snail has been eaten.    
    With snails that's just it, they are essentially whelks in garlic butter. Difference is I'd eat a whelk with no seasoning. I've tried snails without garlic butter and they have the taste and texture of the type of flobs you hack up with a bad cold 
    I find Whelks a lot tougher and harder to chew than snails and don't like them.  
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,316
    Snails have always given me food poisoning?
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  • DaveMehmet
    DaveMehmet Posts: 21,601
    eaststandmike said:
    Carter said:
    eaststandmike said:
    Carter said:
    To be fair, if you are used to eating cheese in France, proper smelly, tasty stuff then tried a bland english cheddar you would baulk having the stuff in the supermarches too

    Some French food is delightful, the more weird stuff like snails and frogs legs are unnecessary and disgusting. Much like the French as a whole 
    Snails & Frog Legs are a delight and we always eat them when in France. You cannot beat mopping up the garlic butter with French bread once the last snail has been eaten.    
    With snails that's just it, they are essentially whelks in garlic butter. Difference is I'd eat a whelk with no seasoning. I've tried snails without garlic butter and they have the taste and texture of the type of flobs you hack up with a bad cold 
    I find Whelks a lot tougher and harder to chew than snails and don't like them.  


    Can't stand either of them, disgusting. I used to go to France with my old man a lot and he used to love snails.

    Tried them a couple of times and it was like eating snotty rubber with a strong taste of garlic (and I love garlic).

    Same thing with whelks, although to be fair haven't tried them since I was a kid. 

  • jonseventyfive
    jonseventyfive Posts: 3,354
    I was always happy enough with being a Brit. But my Scottish mother in law turned me well and truly into a proud English man, I think it was banter but I just got sick of the whole thing.
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,679
    Leuth said:
    Snails have always given me food poisoning?
    You are not meant to eat the shell 

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