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Breaking news: ITK hints at Gallagher move north to Man Utd or Liverpool.nth_london_addick said:All that needs to be said Thank you Connor for the fantastic time you gave to us good luck son go and have a great career
bet we see him again in a red shirt
Connor needs a break I thought on Saturday he looked 70% the player I first saw and the player I have enjoyed watching
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😂 you’re joking, right?colthe3rd said:
But yesterday you had no idea if this rumour was true or not and today you know the ins and outs of it? Starting to think you might not know what day of the week it is.Sage said:
Because I do. I‘m not prepared to say how exactly, but in time you will see or hear it from Bowyer and Gallen, whenever they get asked.colthe3rd said:
I'll ask this again. How do you know this for a fact?Sage said:Conor 100% did not instigate this, he was more than happy to stay and loved his time here.
Let’s just say I know for fact, the same way you know for a fact that today is Wednesday.
Yesterday I learnt the same as everyone else that this was happening. If you look at my comments over the last couple of days, I said that Gallen’s response didn’t sit right, I said that if he goes it’s rubbish because what can he learn elsewhere that he wouldn’t be able to here.
Last week I clearly stated that he was staying and the stories from The Sun and Mail were rubbish. And they were at that time. Things change in football, but that wasn’t Conor’s doing.
It’s early afternoon on Wednesday, in case you didn’t know, lots of conversations can happen at any time. Since the news came around yesterday, I’ve had one of those many conversations and can categorically say, for a fact, that Conor did not instigate this.
You’re more than entitled to question things, the same way I have said the same to Doucher when he says things without any statement or substance, such as the Field injury situation which he was wrong about, but then he gets very sarcastic and defensive straight after at times. On this occasion, I’ve said I’m not prepared to say how I know, but in time you will see or hear it from Bowyer and Gallen. It’s now you who has been sarcastic and defensive because I didn’t give you an insightful answer as to how I know 100%.
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Confirmation that the main reason for the recall appears to be down to money, in that Swansea have offered a loan fee as well a bigger contribution to his wages.
Interesting also that when asked why we could not pay his wages, appears he is on a fair whack which would easily make him a top earner at Charlton!
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I'm not going to believe some random person on the internet just because they said so, that's why I'm getting defensive. I have a problem with people who state things as a fact without backing them up.Sage said:
😂 you’re joking, right?colthe3rd said:
But yesterday you had no idea if this rumour was true or not and today you know the ins and outs of it? Starting to think you might not know what day of the week it is.Sage said:
Because I do. I‘m not prepared to say how exactly, but in time you will see or hear it from Bowyer and Gallen, whenever they get asked.colthe3rd said:
I'll ask this again. How do you know this for a fact?Sage said:Conor 100% did not instigate this, he was more than happy to stay and loved his time here.
Let’s just say I know for fact, the same way you know for a fact that today is Wednesday.
Yesterday I learnt the same as everyone else that this was happening. If you look at my comments over the last couple of days, I said that Gallen’s response didn’t sit right, I said that if he goes it’s rubbish because what can he learn elsewhere that he wouldn’t be able to here.
Last week I clearly stated that he was staying and the stories from The Sun and Mail were rubbish. And they were at that time. Things change in football, but that wasn’t Conor’s doing.
It’s early afternoon on Wednesday, in case you didn’t know, lots of conversations can happen at any time. Since the news came around yesterday, I’ve had one of those many conversations and can categorically say, for a fact, that Conor did not instigate this.
You’re more than entitled to question things, the same way I have said the same to Doucher when he says things without any statement or substance, such as the Field injury situation which he was wrong about, but then he gets very sarcastic and defensive straight after at times. On this occasion, I’ve said I’m not prepared to say how I know, but in time you will see or hear it from Bowyer and Gallen. It’s now you who has been sarcastic and defensive because I didn’t give you an insightful answer as to how I know 100%.0 -
As I said, you’re entitled to ask the question, but I’m not prepared to say who I spoke to or any personal details as to how I know for a fact. Do you go and say the same or have the same attitude when others on here who have information but aren’t prepared to explain or expose how they know on a public forum for the whole world to see?colthe3rd said:
I'm not going to believe some random person on the internet just because they said so, that's why I'm getting defensive. I have a problem with people who state things as a fact without backing them up.Sage said:
😂 you’re joking, right?colthe3rd said:
But yesterday you had no idea if this rumour was true or not and today you know the ins and outs of it? Starting to think you might not know what day of the week it is.Sage said:
Because I do. I‘m not prepared to say how exactly, but in time you will see or hear it from Bowyer and Gallen, whenever they get asked.colthe3rd said:
I'll ask this again. How do you know this for a fact?Sage said:Conor 100% did not instigate this, he was more than happy to stay and loved his time here.
Let’s just say I know for fact, the same way you know for a fact that today is Wednesday.
Yesterday I learnt the same as everyone else that this was happening. If you look at my comments over the last couple of days, I said that Gallen’s response didn’t sit right, I said that if he goes it’s rubbish because what can he learn elsewhere that he wouldn’t be able to here.
Last week I clearly stated that he was staying and the stories from The Sun and Mail were rubbish. And they were at that time. Things change in football, but that wasn’t Conor’s doing.
It’s early afternoon on Wednesday, in case you didn’t know, lots of conversations can happen at any time. Since the news came around yesterday, I’ve had one of those many conversations and can categorically say, for a fact, that Conor did not instigate this.
You’re more than entitled to question things, the same way I have said the same to Doucher when he says things without any statement or substance, such as the Field injury situation which he was wrong about, but then he gets very sarcastic and defensive straight after at times. On this occasion, I’ve said I’m not prepared to say how I know, but in time you will see or hear it from Bowyer and Gallen. It’s now you who has been sarcastic and defensive because I didn’t give you an insightful answer as to how I know 100%.
If you look through my previous comments on here, over a long period of time, I am not some WUM or say things for the sake of it. I’ve said I know it for a fact, and that you will see or hear it for yourself in time by people at the club.
It should also be quite obvious anyway with the reaction from people at the club. Tracey Leaburn, Matt Southall, the players, all of them have said on social media how he gave his all and wishes him luck. Do you think that would be the case if he instigated this move? But I know because I’ve been told, he was happy here and happy to stay, this move or what’s happened did not come from Conor.
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I get all that. I was worrying myself after that game, that it might be the consequence.Rothko said:
If you were a development coach at Chelsea and you saw the treatment handed out to Gallagher at Derby for example, because he's the only player you needed to stop that night, you would probably think its safer to get him away from that. I still think Swansea splashing the cash on loan fees is the driving force, but they are also protecting their player whos become a marked man in a red shirt.Off_it said:
What are you wittering on about now?PragueAddick said:
You think I don't understand that? Really?Off_it said:
The gaping hole in your argument is “why the fuck should he?”.PragueAddick said:
The gaping great hole in your argument is that the Chelsea Loan Technical Director or whatever title goes with his 200k a year salary must also be aware that those senior players which were signed and so met with his approval early on, are now all coming back, and furthermore that the new ownership are promising further strengthening. How would the Loan Technical Director not know all this if he has been visiting Sparrows Lane? And even if he hasn't, why didn't he just discuss his concerns with Bowyer? Clearly he did not do that.Missed It said:Athletico Charlton said:
Yes because I am fairly certain that when we signed him on loan we did not have Williams, Cullen, Field, Leko, Greene, Kayal or Oztumer in the squad.Missed It said:calydon_road said:I think people need to calm down on the Gallagher and Chelsea hating.
Without either of their support, we wouldn't even know his name. They have done us a favour.
They are not a charity and we do not live in a communist society
If you were Chelsea and you watched that Derby game , you would move Connor to another team for the following footballing reasons
1. He needs to play with men not boys on his team to develop.
2. CG has been the only player in the last 2 months who has been trying to play triangles and get pass and move going. Because you cant do this on your own, he has gone backwards slightly as trying to to do too much.
3. If JW and JC had stayed fit he wouldn't be going back. Chelsea need him to learn and , with all due respect, he isn't learning from playing with Deji.
4. If he goes West Brom, Chelsea will get 1-2M just for the loan as it seals them promotion. If he goes Swansea then he gets to play with England youth coach as his manager and Rhian Brewster to thread through balls to.
Whilst I loved watching this kwolity baller play, its not the end of the world. JC and JW coming back will more than compensate. JW fit runs rings round any attacking midfielder, he runs rings around a 19 year old CG.
We need another body in midfield to cover JC but either JW or Otzumer can fill the CG role, which is a creative midfielder.
Good luck Connor, u were mint for us
I think you're spot on with this. Chelsea loaned Gallagher in the expectation that he would play every week and play alongside senior pros who will help him develop his game. With Charlton's midfield decimated by injury Gallagher has been playing alongside the likes of Doughty, Dempsey, Morgan and Vennings. No disrespect to those players, Doughty in particular looks an excellent prospect, but there is no denying they are boys that have had to be thrown in to the team before they are truly ready. Is that what Chelsea signed up for? They'd want Gallagher playing with experienced players like Pratley, and internationals like Williams and Cullen. That hasn't been the case recently. Not winning for 12 weeks in a row is a valuable gut check that Gallagher won't get playing in the Chelsea youth team, but perhaps Chelsea have seen enough.
There's absolutely no doubt that Gallagher has improved by playing at Charlton and teams like Chelsea, West Ham and Arsenal are now very well aware of what a spell at Charlton can do for their players. I think we should be taking the long view on this. Our chances of getting more and better loans from Premier League clubs will have improved considering how well the likes of Bielik, Cullen and Gallagher have done. With a less tight-fisted ownership prepared to make a bigger contribution to loan costs we should be be able to get more top young players in the next few years.
I'm sad to see Gallagher go this early but it's not like Charlton never lost its best players before. I wish him all the very best. He's a quality player and from his kind words on Charlton, clearly a quality young man too.
so we had Pratley, Aneke and the kids. Unless Chelsea are pulling him because he has not had enough game time with Aneke?
I don't know the timescales of signings in the summer but Charlton must have convinced Chelsea of the squad they expected to have and the worth of Gallagher playing at Charlton, particularly with the reportedly low contribution Charlton were making to Gallagher's wages. It appears that having seen who has been in the teams in recent weeks Chelsea have reconsidered.
He’s not our player and never was. They don’t have to justify themselves to Charlton, Bowyer or you. They call the shots. That’s just how it is.
Football is a business, and the individual businesses, and the individuals who work in that business, depend on each other as well as competing with each other. One day, perhaps quite soon, Abramovic will sell, probably to some Yank consortium, and the slow decline similar to that at Old Trafford will probably set in. In football what goes around comes around a bit quicker than in many industries. But it's the same as in any business. You can get away with behaving like a classless ****, but generally in the long term showing a bit of class brings better outcomes.
The guy in charge of his development is clearly just doing his job and looking out for what he believes to be the best interests of the player, their player, and the club.
That’s his concern. Not what you think or what might happen in a few years time if their chairman packs it in. He’s doing his job now and will no doubt be judged on how he does his job by his employer, as it should be.
Not sure what part of any of this is so difficult to understand or why it somehow shows a lack of class because you haven’t been told their reasons.
Weird - meaning weird.
My point is that if they had some class they would have given Charlton some upfront warning during December, before the window opened. They chose to wait until almost half way through. I dont see what they gained by waiting. To me that lacks class, and maybe one day the person or people st Chelsea responsible might wish that they had shown some.10 -
Trying to find a positive out of all this, we were only due to have him for another 4 months anyway. IF, we can get Madison in, with Williams and others coming back into midfield, we may not actually miss him that much.
His early season form has put us in a great position to stay up, and it is still firmly in our own hands. If we can achieve that, that will have been mission accomplished, thanks in a big part to Conor.6 -
Actually yes I do say the same for here or any other person/publication/website that states something without backing it up. It's a bit like when a tabloid runs an article on someone and then follows it with "a source close to X said..." followed by a load of bollocks they've just made up. You're well within your right to post anything you like and I'm well within mine to question it.Sage said:
As I said, you’re entitled to ask the question, but I’m not prepared to say who I spoke to or any personal details as to how I know for a fact. Do you go and say the same or have the same attitude when others on here who have information but aren’t prepared to explain or expose how they know on a public forum for the whole world to see?colthe3rd said:
I'm not going to believe some random person on the internet just because they said so, that's why I'm getting defensive. I have a problem with people who state things as a fact without backing them up.Sage said:
😂 you’re joking, right?colthe3rd said:
But yesterday you had no idea if this rumour was true or not and today you know the ins and outs of it? Starting to think you might not know what day of the week it is.Sage said:
Because I do. I‘m not prepared to say how exactly, but in time you will see or hear it from Bowyer and Gallen, whenever they get asked.colthe3rd said:
I'll ask this again. How do you know this for a fact?Sage said:Conor 100% did not instigate this, he was more than happy to stay and loved his time here.
Let’s just say I know for fact, the same way you know for a fact that today is Wednesday.
Yesterday I learnt the same as everyone else that this was happening. If you look at my comments over the last couple of days, I said that Gallen’s response didn’t sit right, I said that if he goes it’s rubbish because what can he learn elsewhere that he wouldn’t be able to here.
Last week I clearly stated that he was staying and the stories from The Sun and Mail were rubbish. And they were at that time. Things change in football, but that wasn’t Conor’s doing.
It’s early afternoon on Wednesday, in case you didn’t know, lots of conversations can happen at any time. Since the news came around yesterday, I’ve had one of those many conversations and can categorically say, for a fact, that Conor did not instigate this.
You’re more than entitled to question things, the same way I have said the same to Doucher when he says things without any statement or substance, such as the Field injury situation which he was wrong about, but then he gets very sarcastic and defensive straight after at times. On this occasion, I’ve said I’m not prepared to say how I know, but in time you will see or hear it from Bowyer and Gallen. It’s now you who has been sarcastic and defensive because I didn’t give you an insightful answer as to how I know 100%.
If you look through my previous comments on here, over a long period of time, I am not some WUM or say things for the sake of it. I’ve said I know it for a fact, and that you will see or hear it for yourself in time by people at the club.
It should also be quite obvious anyway with the reaction from people at the club. Tracey Leaburn, Matt Southall, the players, all of them have said on social media how he gave his all and wishes him luck. Do you think that would be the case if he instigated this move? But I know because I’ve been told, he was happy here and happy to stay, this move or what’s happened did not come from Conor.0 -
Absolute boĺlocks....colthe3rd said:
Actually yes I do say the same for here or any other person/publication/website that states something without backing it up. It's a bit like when a tabloid runs an article on someone and then follows it with "a source close to X said..." followed by a load of bollocks they've just made up. You're well within your right to post anything you like and I'm well within mine to question it.Sage said:
As I said, you’re entitled to ask the question, but I’m not prepared to say who I spoke to or any personal details as to how I know for a fact. Do you go and say the same or have the same attitude when others on here who have information but aren’t prepared to explain or expose how they know on a public forum for the whole world to see?colthe3rd said:
I'm not going to believe some random person on the internet just because they said so, that's why I'm getting defensive. I have a problem with people who state things as a fact without backing them up.Sage said:
😂 you’re joking, right?colthe3rd said:
But yesterday you had no idea if this rumour was true or not and today you know the ins and outs of it? Starting to think you might not know what day of the week it is.Sage said:
Because I do. I‘m not prepared to say how exactly, but in time you will see or hear it from Bowyer and Gallen, whenever they get asked.colthe3rd said:
I'll ask this again. How do you know this for a fact?Sage said:Conor 100% did not instigate this, he was more than happy to stay and loved his time here.
Let’s just say I know for fact, the same way you know for a fact that today is Wednesday.
Yesterday I learnt the same as everyone else that this was happening. If you look at my comments over the last couple of days, I said that Gallen’s response didn’t sit right, I said that if he goes it’s rubbish because what can he learn elsewhere that he wouldn’t be able to here.
Last week I clearly stated that he was staying and the stories from The Sun and Mail were rubbish. And they were at that time. Things change in football, but that wasn’t Conor’s doing.
It’s early afternoon on Wednesday, in case you didn’t know, lots of conversations can happen at any time. Since the news came around yesterday, I’ve had one of those many conversations and can categorically say, for a fact, that Conor did not instigate this.
You’re more than entitled to question things, the same way I have said the same to Doucher when he says things without any statement or substance, such as the Field injury situation which he was wrong about, but then he gets very sarcastic and defensive straight after at times. On this occasion, I’ve said I’m not prepared to say how I know, but in time you will see or hear it from Bowyer and Gallen. It’s now you who has been sarcastic and defensive because I didn’t give you an insightful answer as to how I know 100%.
If you look through my previous comments on here, over a long period of time, I am not some WUM or say things for the sake of it. I’ve said I know it for a fact, and that you will see or hear it for yourself in time by people at the club.
It should also be quite obvious anyway with the reaction from people at the club. Tracey Leaburn, Matt Southall, the players, all of them have said on social media how he gave his all and wishes him luck. Do you think that would be the case if he instigated this move? But I know because I’ve been told, he was happy here and happy to stay, this move or what’s happened did not come from Conor.
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Have Chelsea ever had class?PragueAddick said:
To me that lacks class, and maybe one day the person or people st Chelsea responsible might wish that they had shown some.To me that lacks class, and maybe one day the person or people st Chelsea responsible might wish that they had shown some.7 -
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Understand what you are saying. However, I’m not so sure that Chelsea would have gone for Lampard though if they didn’t have their hands tied in the transfer market. It was a no lose situation for both the club and the manager..... Finish mid table and it would have been down to the fact that he couldn’t sign players, was a novice manager and the team was made up of young players. You can’t tell me that if Lampard could sign players that Zouma and Tomori would have been their first choice centre backs. Abraham, as good as he is, would not have been their first choice centre Forward - they would have spent £50m on one. Not saying Lampard wouldn’t have given them game time, but in this case, he had no choice but to play them week in week out. It’s obviously great to see kids getting a chance and more teams should do it and it has benefited the English National team.Addick Addict said:
Mount and Tomori were with Lampard at Derby last season and Abraham played under Lampard's best mate, John Terry, at Villa. If they were ever going to chance it would have been as much to do with Lampard being the Chelsea Manager as it was to do with the embargo.ricky_otto said:
Most of those players will never play for Chelsea again - I don’t really understand why they feel the need to keep them? The likes of Baker, Blackman, Brown, Musonda and Piazon will just keep signing new contracts and being loaned out. I can’t see how that helps their career (I’m not talking about financially). Baker has been on loan at 7 different clubs since signing for Chelsea -where he has played 1 game in 6 years. I don’t see the point - just leave and get a permanent gig somewhere and get your career going.Ben18 said:Not directly Conor related, but a dig at Chelsea. And nothing new either.
Chelsea have 26 players out on loan at the moment. More than half of those are over 23 years old
Jamal Blackman - Vitesse - 25 years old
Matt Miazga - Reading - 24 years old
Baba Rahman - Mallorca - 25 years old
Davide Zappacosta - Roma - 27 years old
Tiemoue Bakayoko - Monaco - 25 years old
Lewis Baker - Fortuna Dusseldorf - 24 years old
Danny Drinkwater - Aston Villa - 28 years old
Kenedy - Getafe - 23 years old
Victor Moses - Fenerbahce - 29 years old
Charley Musonda - Vitesse - 23 years old
Nathan - Atletico Mineiro - 23 years old
Danilo Pantic - Fehevar - 23 years old
Mario Pasalic - Atalanta - 24 years old
Izzy Brown - Luton - 23 years old
Lucas Piazon - Rio Ave - 25 years old
They are stockpiling players and treating them as commodities.
There should be a limit on loaning out players over the age of 23. Maybe 2 per season
Players over 23, who don't make your 25 man squad, should be either released (paid up) or sold via tribunal.
I just hope Gallagher’s career goes down a different route because he is too good a player to just disappear in to obscurity.Chelsea are everything I hate in football. Let’s not kid ourselves, the only reason they have Lampard as manager and the likes of Abraham, James, Mount and Tomori are playing is because they couldn’t make any moves in the transfer market.
And Abraham, for one, would have made it anyway. Goalscorers do not grow on trees and 15 goals for Chelsea is evidence enough that he can cut it at this level.I’ll be interested to see what happens when Lampard is given money to throw about. We will see how good a manager he is then.Would be good if more teams had their hands forced and had to play kids. A classic example is Foden at Man City - I keep hearing Pep saying the player is the best thing since sliced bread - if that is the case then pick him. But with the Premier League being what it is, results are more important than the development of players. And Chelsea would have been no different if they hadn’t been greedy bastards and getting themselves a transfer embargo.0 -
No, and they never will.SE10Addick said:
Have Chelsea ever had class?PragueAddick said:
To me that lacks class, and maybe one day the person or people st Chelsea responsible might wish that they had shown some.To me that lacks class, and maybe one day the person or people st Chelsea responsible might wish that they had shown some.5 -
Aligns with what my pal said, shame.Rufus is a dogs name said:Confirmation that the main reason for the recall appears to be down to money, in that Swansea have offered a loan fee as well a bigger contribution to his wages.
Interesting also that when asked why we could not pay his wages, appears he is on a fair whack which would easily make him a top earner at Charlton!1 -
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Okay cool man, to go back to your initial questioning of Sage as to the instigation of the recall, I'll back him up and go a tad further. My source is mentioned, in a roundabout manner, here.colthe3rd said:
Actually yes I do say the same for here or any other person/publication/website that states something without backing it up. It's a bit like when a tabloid runs an article on someone and then follows it with "a source close to X said..." followed by a load of bollocks they've just made up. You're well within your right to post anything you like and I'm well within mine to question it.Sage said:
As I said, you’re entitled to ask the question, but I’m not prepared to say who I spoke to or any personal details as to how I know for a fact. Do you go and say the same or have the same attitude when others on here who have information but aren’t prepared to explain or expose how they know on a public forum for the whole world to see?colthe3rd said:
I'm not going to believe some random person on the internet just because they said so, that's why I'm getting defensive. I have a problem with people who state things as a fact without backing them up.Sage said:
😂 you’re joking, right?colthe3rd said:
But yesterday you had no idea if this rumour was true or not and today you know the ins and outs of it? Starting to think you might not know what day of the week it is.Sage said:
Because I do. I‘m not prepared to say how exactly, but in time you will see or hear it from Bowyer and Gallen, whenever they get asked.colthe3rd said:
I'll ask this again. How do you know this for a fact?Sage said:Conor 100% did not instigate this, he was more than happy to stay and loved his time here.
Let’s just say I know for fact, the same way you know for a fact that today is Wednesday.
Yesterday I learnt the same as everyone else that this was happening. If you look at my comments over the last couple of days, I said that Gallen’s response didn’t sit right, I said that if he goes it’s rubbish because what can he learn elsewhere that he wouldn’t be able to here.
Last week I clearly stated that he was staying and the stories from The Sun and Mail were rubbish. And they were at that time. Things change in football, but that wasn’t Conor’s doing.
It’s early afternoon on Wednesday, in case you didn’t know, lots of conversations can happen at any time. Since the news came around yesterday, I’ve had one of those many conversations and can categorically say, for a fact, that Conor did not instigate this.
You’re more than entitled to question things, the same way I have said the same to Doucher when he says things without any statement or substance, such as the Field injury situation which he was wrong about, but then he gets very sarcastic and defensive straight after at times. On this occasion, I’ve said I’m not prepared to say how I know, but in time you will see or hear it from Bowyer and Gallen. It’s now you who has been sarcastic and defensive because I didn’t give you an insightful answer as to how I know 100%.
If you look through my previous comments on here, over a long period of time, I am not some WUM or say things for the sake of it. I’ve said I know it for a fact, and that you will see or hear it for yourself in time by people at the club.
It should also be quite obvious anyway with the reaction from people at the club. Tracey Leaburn, Matt Southall, the players, all of them have said on social media how he gave his all and wishes him luck. Do you think that would be the case if he instigated this move? But I know because I’ve been told, he was happy here and happy to stay, this move or what’s happened did not come from Conor.
And as has been said before, Sage's track record is good. I'm inclined to believe him.3 -
Not confirmation at all. I still maintain he was recalled because of our current situation, struggling in a relegation battle with a team full of kids. Not for money.Rufus is a dogs name said:Confirmation that the main reason for the recall appears to be down to money, in that Swansea have offered a loan fee as well a bigger contribution to his wages.
Interesting also that when asked why we could not pay his wages, appears he is on a fair whack which would easily make him a top earner at Charlton!
But then when it became clear Chelsea would recall him, other clubs were interested and naturally to get him, they had to offer something to win the race.4 -
Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Not confirmation at all. I still maintain he was recalled because of our current situation, struggling in a relegation battle with a team full of kids. Not for money.Rufus is a dogs name said:Confirmation that the main reason for the recall appears to be down to money, in that Swansea have offered a loan fee as well a bigger contribution to his wages.
Interesting also that when asked why we could not pay his wages, appears he is on a fair whack which would easily make him a top earner at Charlton!
But then when it became clear Chelsea would recall him, other clubs were interested and naturally to get him, they had to offer something to win the race.
But if involvement in a relegation battle is such an issue, why loan him to us in the first place? When he signed in August we were favourites to finish bottom, so always likely to spend the season fighting relegation. If anything our current position is better than Chelsea would have expected at the start of the season!
We also had the lowest budget in the league by some distance, so its not like at that point we were going to be signing rafts of experienced midfielders for him to play alongside?8 -
I think this is a good point, well made. Seems we may be victims of our success earlier in the season that has re-set Chelsea's expectations of what we would be offering Conor in terms of his development and experience.Rufus is a dogs name said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Not confirmation at all. I still maintain he was recalled because of our current situation, struggling in a relegation battle with a team full of kids. Not for money.Rufus is a dogs name said:Confirmation that the main reason for the recall appears to be down to money, in that Swansea have offered a loan fee as well a bigger contribution to his wages.
Interesting also that when asked why we could not pay his wages, appears he is on a fair whack which would easily make him a top earner at Charlton!
But then when it became clear Chelsea would recall him, other clubs were interested and naturally to get him, they had to offer something to win the race.
But if involvement in a relegation battle is such an issue, why loan him to us in the first place? When he signed in August we were favourites to finish bottom, so always likely to spend the season fighting relegation. If anything our current position is better than Chelsea would have expected at the start of the season!
We also had the lowest budget in the league by some distance, so its not like at that point we were going to be signing rafts of experienced midfielders for him to play alongside?
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Stage 1 of his development was entry level Championship. We were a good fit, and he has passed it with flying colours.Rufus is a dogs name said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Not confirmation at all. I still maintain he was recalled because of our current situation, struggling in a relegation battle with a team full of kids. Not for money.Rufus is a dogs name said:Confirmation that the main reason for the recall appears to be down to money, in that Swansea have offered a loan fee as well a bigger contribution to his wages.
Interesting also that when asked why we could not pay his wages, appears he is on a fair whack which would easily make him a top earner at Charlton!
But then when it became clear Chelsea would recall him, other clubs were interested and naturally to get him, they had to offer something to win the race.
But if involvement in a relegation battle is such an issue, why loan him to us in the first place? When he signed in August we were favourites to finish bottom, so always likely to spend the season fighting relegation. If anything our current position is better than Chelsea would have expected at the start of the season!
We also had the lowest budget in the league by some distance, so its not like at that point we were going to be signing rafts of experienced midfielders for him to play alongside?
Ergo Chelsea will tick that box, and due to his exceptional progress, move him along to stage 2 ahead of schedule. A team with better quality players, who are actually fit to play, in a promotion push at the top of the Championship.
Next year he will be at Stage 3 - entry level Premiership is my guess. Or knocking on the door of Chelsea's first team.
I think it is as simple as that.1 -
He's retired.ricky_otto said:
Not played for 2 years - surprised we haven’t signed him.cafcdave123 said:Islam Feruz was signed by Chelsea in 2012 for 2.5k pw before signing a new deal in 2014 for 15k a week.
he is now without a club at the age of 24 having made around £4m so far in his career.Years Team Apps (Gls) 2014–2019 Chelsea 0 (0) 2014 → OFI Crete (loan) 1 (0) 2015 → Blackpool (loan) 2 (0) 2015–2016 → Hibernian (loan) 6 (0) 2016–2017 → Royal Excel Mouscron (loan) 7 (0) 2017 → Swindon Town (loan) 4 (0)
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Because in the first 6 months of the loan he's exceeded all expectations and proven himself to be far better than where we're currently positioned.Rufus is a dogs name said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Not confirmation at all. I still maintain he was recalled because of our current situation, struggling in a relegation battle with a team full of kids. Not for money.Rufus is a dogs name said:Confirmation that the main reason for the recall appears to be down to money, in that Swansea have offered a loan fee as well a bigger contribution to his wages.
Interesting also that when asked why we could not pay his wages, appears he is on a fair whack which would easily make him a top earner at Charlton!
But then when it became clear Chelsea would recall him, other clubs were interested and naturally to get him, they had to offer something to win the race.
But if involvement in a relegation battle is such an issue, why loan him to us in the first place? When he signed in August we were favourites to finish bottom, so always likely to spend the season fighting relegation. If anything our current position is better than Chelsea would have expected at the start of the season!
We also had the lowest budget in the league by some distance, so its not like at that point we were going to be signing rafts of experienced midfielders for him to play alongside?
That's why clubs have a recall clause i guess.
He'd never played senior football and it could've gone completely the other way. What if he'd been shit and not really up to it. Then they might have recalled him and had to loan him to a league one club. Would we be moaning then?1 -
Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Because in the first 6 months of the loan he's exceeded all expectations and proven himself to be far better than where we're currently positioned.Rufus is a dogs name said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Not confirmation at all. I still maintain he was recalled because of our current situation, struggling in a relegation battle with a team full of kids. Not for money.Rufus is a dogs name said:Confirmation that the main reason for the recall appears to be down to money, in that Swansea have offered a loan fee as well a bigger contribution to his wages.
Interesting also that when asked why we could not pay his wages, appears he is on a fair whack which would easily make him a top earner at Charlton!
But then when it became clear Chelsea would recall him, other clubs were interested and naturally to get him, they had to offer something to win the race.
But if involvement in a relegation battle is such an issue, why loan him to us in the first place? When he signed in August we were favourites to finish bottom, so always likely to spend the season fighting relegation. If anything our current position is better than Chelsea would have expected at the start of the season!
We also had the lowest budget in the league by some distance, so its not like at that point we were going to be signing rafts of experienced midfielders for him to play alongside?
That's why clubs have a recall clause i guess.
He'd never played senior football and it could've gone completely the other way. What if he'd been shit and not really up to it. Then they might have recalled him and had to loan him to a league one club. Would we be moaning then?Possibly but I would say that he did well playing with the team of players who have subsequently got injured and that, since then, he has been something of a shadow of what we saw back then. With us planning on strengthening the team in this transfer window AND with most of those injured players coming back now, I would argue that we would soon be back to where we were from the perspective of Conor's role and learning experience. Clearly, Chelsea don't need to take that 'gamble', nor will they have the inclination to look that closely at our changing fortunes. The bottom line is that it is a simple, lower risk decision to move him into a better, more successful team than us. That's life, I guess.
Looking forward to seeing him flourish over the coming years as he's clearly talented. We were fortunate to have seen him at the start of his career. I am sure he will look back in the future at his time with us as the catalyst for his successes as, clearly, an unsuccessful loan elsewhere could have had the opposite effect on his career. Let's hope Swansea proves to be as good a loan placement as we were for him.
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Ah, same as Kayal and Hemed.ElfsborgAddick said:
He's retired.ricky_otto said:
Not played for 2 years - surprised we haven’t signed him.cafcdave123 said:Islam Feruz was signed by Chelsea in 2012 for 2.5k pw before signing a new deal in 2014 for 15k a week.
he is now without a club at the age of 24 having made around £4m so far in his career.Years Team Apps (Gls) 2014–2019 Chelsea 0 (0) 2014 → OFI Crete (loan) 1 (0) 2015 → Blackpool (loan) 2 (0) 2015–2016 → Hibernian (loan) 6 (0) 2016–2017 → Royal Excel Mouscron (loan) 7 (0) 2017 → Swindon Town (loan) 4 (0)
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Whilst I did laugh at your post, I do think Hemed will come good in the end.ricky_otto said:
Ah, same as Kayal and Hemed.ElfsborgAddick said:
He's retired.ricky_otto said:
Not played for 2 years - surprised we haven’t signed him.cafcdave123 said:Islam Feruz was signed by Chelsea in 2012 for 2.5k pw before signing a new deal in 2014 for 15k a week.
he is now without a club at the age of 24 having made around £4m so far in his career.Years Team Apps (Gls) 2014–2019 Chelsea 0 (0) 2014 → OFI Crete (loan) 1 (0) 2015 → Blackpool (loan) 2 (0) 2015–2016 → Hibernian (loan) 6 (0) 2016–2017 → Royal Excel Mouscron (loan) 7 (0) 2017 → Swindon Town (loan) 4 (0)
nice work if you can get it.
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At the rate he hasn’t got a choice!DoctorCharlton said:
Whilst I did laugh at your post, I do think Hemed will come good in the end.ricky_otto said:
Ah, same as Kayal and Hemed.ElfsborgAddick said:
He's retired.ricky_otto said:
Not played for 2 years - surprised we haven’t signed him.cafcdave123 said:Islam Feruz was signed by Chelsea in 2012 for 2.5k pw before signing a new deal in 2014 for 15k a week.
he is now without a club at the age of 24 having made around £4m so far in his career.Years Team Apps (Gls) 2014–2019 Chelsea 0 (0) 2014 → OFI Crete (loan) 1 (0) 2015 → Blackpool (loan) 2 (0) 2015–2016 → Hibernian (loan) 6 (0) 2016–2017 → Royal Excel Mouscron (loan) 7 (0) 2017 → Swindon Town (loan) 4 (0)
nice work if you can get it.
Seriously only people at Sheffield United come good.3 -
Yes. They allowed us to bring forward the home fixture in 1983 because we needed the gate money to avoid going bust (something we did anyway about 5 months later).SE10Addick said:
Have Chelsea ever had class?PragueAddick said:
To me that lacks class, and maybe one day the person or people st Chelsea responsible might wish that they had shown some.To me that lacks class, and maybe one day the person or people st Chelsea responsible might wish that they had shown some.4 -
Swansea at 11/1 to get promoted isn't a bad shout though.
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All we got to do is finish the season higher than Swansea..............easy
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At least derby get another chance to kick shit out of him again early next month.0
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Yesterday wasn't Wednesday, that's why. Try to keep up.colthe3rd said:
But yesterday you had no idea if this rumour was true or not and today you know the ins and outs of it? Starting to think you might not know what day of the week it is.Sage said:
Because I do. I‘m not prepared to say how exactly, but in time you will see or hear it from Bowyer and Gallen, whenever they get asked.colthe3rd said:
I'll ask this again. How do you know this for a fact?Sage said:Conor 100% did not instigate this, he was more than happy to stay and loved his time here.
Let’s just say I know for fact, the same way you know for a fact that today is Wednesday.2
