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Tom Lockyer - collapsed again at Bournemouth, recovering in hospital (p23)
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He's become one of the first choice CB's for Wales
He'll want to stay in the Championship what with the Euros next summer
If he drops down to League One with us then he loses that spot4 -
Losing Lockyer, which will happen, will be a huge blow.5
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Just hope relegation from the Championship is the end of that comedown now!!aliwibble said:The comedown from Wembley has been distinctly unpleasant.2 -
We were one of a few Championship clubs in for him last season, I am aware he spoke with Forest, and bought into Bowyer. No doubt the agent has negotiated the clause with the Euros in place and Lockyer would never have been selected for the first team or maybe even the squad if we got relegated. What with the rest of the players whose contracts are now expiring and we cannot renew them due to the embargo or sign any players, the team next season will be made up of under 18s and a few from the women's team, no need to worry season ticket prices are on the up.2
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being in whatever division isn't going to make any difference to an experienced youngish international centre half's prospects for playing for Wales..
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He's not a bad player but a bit angry and loses focus. Definitely a drop down from Bauer.
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Agreed that fact Bowyer and Gallen had got to a point they had to put clauses like that in is criminal and symptomatic of the way the club has been run for many years.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
That's a fair point. It just pisses me off.roseandcrown said:
Normally I would agree but if you think of the hand Bowyer and Gallen where playing with last summer, it must if been a case of needs must to insert the clause to get him in. We wouldn't have had many options.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
I'm not questioning him wanting to leave. Wouldn't blame anyone for that.Addick Addict said:
He came to us on a "free" and has left on a "free".Chris_from_Sidcup said:Literally beyond belief that you'd agree to insert a clause letting an under contract first team regular go on a free.
What bargaining power did we have when he joined us? Sound financial footing? The offer of a 5 year contract? Massive imminent strengthening of the squad?
Who in their right mind and is worth anything would want to stay and play for us right now? A club where the fans and players don't even know who the actual owners are and could go bust at any time.
But no one is going to convince me that inserting a clause whereby a first team regular can leave on a free is anything but ridiculous.
We moan (and rightly so) when the club don't offer decent contracts and players like Bauer and Aribo leave on a free when their contracts are up, but now we're perfectly ok with a first team regular who is UNDER CONTRACT leaving on a free.
Everything about this club apart from its fans is an absolute fucking farce.2 -
The Herminator had a similar clause - that man experienced a good few relegations, of course.
I'm guessing the clause enabled us to get Tom Lockyer on a lower wage and (in Duchatelet's eyes) avoid paying the second half of his signing on fee if we went down and the player elected to move on.
Tom's form dipped in the post-lockdown period and his distribution was basic but he would certainly have been a good defender alongside Pearce in League 1.5 -
He is a loss. 8 clubs conceded more goals than us this season. Our defence and GK are not the reason we're down, late goals regardless.. (e.g. Brum away, if McGeady puts us 2-up, the late scramble is irrelevant)3
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This. What was his incentive to keeping us up. NONE.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
I'm not questioning him wanting to leave. Wouldn't blame anyone for that.Addick Addict said:
He came to us on a "free" and has left on a "free".Chris_from_Sidcup said:Literally beyond belief that you'd agree to insert a clause letting an under contract first team regular go on a free.
What bargaining power did we have when he joined us? Sound financial footing? The offer of a 5 year contract? Massive imminent strengthening of the squad?
Who in their right mind and is worth anything would want to stay and play for us right now? A club where the fans and players don't even know who the actual owners are and could go bust at any time.
But no one is going to convince me that inserting a clause whereby a first team regular can leave on a free is anything but ridiculous.
What was his incentive for us to get relegated.
£££££
Fuck them all. No wonder we went down. Spineless. Players & Management. I wouldnt have played him. Played someone who wanted to be here whatever division we were going to be in come September.
Another parasite like Taylor..0 -
Can someone bump and pin the squad thread with the contract expiration dates (and maybe add any known clauses like this) so we can see who we actually have in contract for next year?0
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Nah.......he was excellent first part of the season when we were doing well. But form dropped off when we restarted.......now we know why.ValleyGary said:
Oh I’m sure that’s what he wants.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
On a free with the wages we pay, he could easily get a gig at somewhere like Luton or Barnsley or Coventry or Rotherham.ValleyGary said:I’m not sure many, if any, Championship teams will take him.Think he will end up going Ipswich or somewhere.
He'll want a championship side so he can make the Wales squad.
I don’t think he’s a bad player, I just think he’s really struggled performance wise for a while now. Personally think Championship forwards are too clever for him, let alone international ones.
Being relegated was good for him.
I'd rather we never signed anyone with a relegation clause. Did it with HH and I questioned it then. No incentive when chasing back.
Just remind me......who was it on the line /around Phillips when Birmingham got their equaliser.....??
Cheats. At least Taylor was honest why he didnt want to play.1 -
Read the last paragraph and ask yourself why.Briston_Addick said:The only "relegation" clause in a player's contract should be a wages reduction commensurate with the new division.
If a player isn't prepared to hang around if the club goes down they should do better to help keep them up.
At the start of the season Lockyer's performances were BFG-esque but in recent weeks there have been so many errors that have contributed to our relegation.
Relegation was in his interest.
Argh. I'm leaving here now before I get too fucking mad.0 -
Baffling clause to add, go down and need to probably recoup some money and one of our main assets goes on a free.0
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If he is to go and I am sad to see him go, as I really liked him, I am pleased that the benefactors of what could have been a decent fee will not be seeing a penny.🖕🏻🤡🤡🤡🖕🏻0
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The reality surely is that none of them will really *want* to be here in September.golfaddick said:Fuck them all. No wonder we went down. Spineless. Players & Management. I wouldnt have played him. Played someone who wanted to be here whatever division we were going to be in come September.
Another parasite like Taylor..
If we are relying on that for a squad then we’ll be really short on numbers.
Players in nearly every club are just passing through, and will be there until there is a better offer at the end of a contract, or a high enough transfer fee bid during it.
No one has signed for us in the last five years and more because they’ve been sold on Roland’s grand plans for the club, but because the offer on the table worked for them at the time.
Lockyer is just in a position where we wanted him enough last summer to be able to protect his interests in the event of what has happened.
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Christ, Immobile will be licking his lips.ForeverAddickted said:He's become one of the first choice CB's for Wales
He'll want to stay in the Championship what with the Euros next summer
If he drops down to League One with us then he loses that spot0 -
Relegation release clause linked to his passing and hoofing into touch in final 9 games.....never!?!0
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A mad contract clause - shows ultimately how desperate we were.0
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Lol people saying Lockyer wasn't good enough, he was a damn sight better than Pearce and Sarr over the course of the season, and was our first choice centre back throughout the year, he is more than capable of playing in the Championship, and the fact he can leave on a free is ridiculous.16
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TrueAllLeftFoot said:
The reality surely is that none of them will really *want* to be here in September.golfaddick said:Fuck them all. No wonder we went down. Spineless. Players & Management. I wouldnt have played him. Played someone who wanted to be here whatever division we were going to be in come September.
Another parasite like Taylor..
If we are relying on that for a squad then we’ll be really short on numbers.
Players in nearly every club are just passing through, and will be there until there is a better offer at the end of a contract, or a high enough transfer fee bid during it.
No one has signed for us in the last five years and more because they’ve been sold on Roland’s grand plans for the club, but because the offer on the table worked for them at the time.
Lockyer is just in a position where we wanted him enough last summer to be able to protect his interests in the event of what has happened.
I doubt Bauer dreamed of getting a move to Preston, but they paid more and are a better run club than Charlton, so he was happy to go there. If say Brentford or Cardiff had come in for him, he would have gone there instead0 -
sam3110 said:Lol people saying Lockyer wasn't good enough, he was a damn sight better than Pearce and Sarr over the course of the season, and was our first choice centre back throughout the year, he is more than capable of playing in the Championship, and the fact he can leave on a free is ridiculous.
This. And in no way was he playing to lose so the club would get relegated, that is utterly ridiculous.
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And you know this how ?jacob_CAFC said:sam3110 said:Lol people saying Lockyer wasn't good enough, he was a damn sight better than Pearce and Sarr over the course of the season, and was our first choice centre back throughout the year, he is more than capable of playing in the Championship, and the fact he can leave on a free is ridiculous.
This. And in no way was he playing to lose so the club would get relegated, that is utterly ridiculous.
Say Bonne had a release clause just the same. Would you be questioning why he missed when 1 on 1. I would.
I would just question why any player would have that in his contract. Just gives something else for fans to ask why of a player.5 -
You're assuming that Lockyer will get a better deal at another club. Covid implications and the fact that he's been part of a bottom three team, might mean he's short of good offers. He also might not want to leave.golfaddick said:
This. What was his incentive to keeping us up. NONE.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
I'm not questioning him wanting to leave. Wouldn't blame anyone for that.Addick Addict said:
He came to us on a "free" and has left on a "free".Chris_from_Sidcup said:Literally beyond belief that you'd agree to insert a clause letting an under contract first team regular go on a free.
What bargaining power did we have when he joined us? Sound financial footing? The offer of a 5 year contract? Massive imminent strengthening of the squad?
Who in their right mind and is worth anything would want to stay and play for us right now? A club where the fans and players don't even know who the actual owners are and could go bust at any time.
But no one is going to convince me that inserting a clause whereby a first team regular can leave on a free is anything but ridiculous.
What was his incentive for us to get relegated.
£££££
Fuck them all. No wonder we went down. Spineless. Players & Management. I wouldnt have played him. Played someone who wanted to be here whatever division we were going to be in come September.
Another parasite like Taylor..3 -
Plus if he'd played well enough and we'd stayed up he may very well have still got offers of bigger wages from other clubs anyway. Deliberately causing us to get relegated does him no favours, all the clause does is give him a bit of protection.Simonsen said:
You're assuming that Lockyer will get a better deal at another club. Covid implications and the fact that he's been part of a bottom three team, might mean he's short of good offers. He also might not want to leave.golfaddick said:
This. What was his incentive to keeping us up. NONE.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
I'm not questioning him wanting to leave. Wouldn't blame anyone for that.Addick Addict said:
He came to us on a "free" and has left on a "free".Chris_from_Sidcup said:Literally beyond belief that you'd agree to insert a clause letting an under contract first team regular go on a free.
What bargaining power did we have when he joined us? Sound financial footing? The offer of a 5 year contract? Massive imminent strengthening of the squad?
Who in their right mind and is worth anything would want to stay and play for us right now? A club where the fans and players don't even know who the actual owners are and could go bust at any time.
But no one is going to convince me that inserting a clause whereby a first team regular can leave on a free is anything but ridiculous.
What was his incentive for us to get relegated.
£££££
Fuck them all. No wonder we went down. Spineless. Players & Management. I wouldnt have played him. Played someone who wanted to be here whatever division we were going to be in come September.
Another parasite like Taylor..0 -
He was one of the first to join us when we had no money and no squad. Why would he chose us ahead of others (he was on a free and in demand). Come play, if we stay up you are committed another year or we can sell you and make a profit, if we go down and you have been decent you can move on. We got him for nothing, he goes for nothing. These sorts of imaginative contracts are all that the likes of Gallen had to work with last summer to persuade players to join.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
I think you're misunderstanding the point.Dazzler21 said:
For sure. But if he wants away then so be it.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
More than capable at league one level thoughDazzler21 said:Not that fussed.
He's been pretty consistent but as per most of our side, he hasn't been good enough for the Championship.
I don't want anyone here that doesn't want to be here. I don't want anyone here who just wants a quick buck.
I don't blame anyone for wanting away from this mess, i don't blame the player for wanting a release clause inserted and i certainly wouldn't be too fussed if we sold him.
BUT..........someone inserting a clause saying he can leave on a free is an absolute fucking piss take.8 -
Had to check the team sheet after the match last night to see if he had played. Ok, dodgy stream with foreign commentary on a small screen but I can usually spot him. His only redemption is maybe all Leeds goals seemed to come down the left wingback area.0
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@golfaddick I think you are talking out of your arse if you are suggesting he played badly so we would get relegated and he would make some money.
Quite apart from him not playing badly at all over the nine games wouldn’t his best to do help us go down would be to have feigned injury and not have played at all?
I think he is a Championship level player who never hid but was often exposed by what was in front of him.8 -
Lockyer was easily good enough.
One of the least of our footballing problems.7
