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Tom Lockyer - collapsed again at Bournemouth, recovering in hospital (p23)
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I have some inside knowledge here.Lockyer came to us to play Championship football. Giggs told him he needed to if he wanted to be a serious contender going forward. He could have earned twice his Charlton wage going to one of our relegation rivals and £2k more per week going to one of the clubs now in the play offs. He accepted a much lower wage because he thought he would play more at Charlton and Bowyer really impressed him. He is no mercenary.The Club insisted on a relegation clause which would reduce his money if Charlton were relegated, in return they agreed the escape clause. This is standard practice I am led to believe.And to those questioning his commitment? He played every minute of every game accept the two he was banned for. Only Lockyer, Phillips and Cullen played every minute post the lockdown. And when they had the huddle before the second half yesterday, it was Lockyer doing the talking and rallying the troops.
There are plenty of people to blame for what happened this season. Picking on those that gave everything and would have died for the cause is more than a bit stupid in my eyes.87 -
He came to play championship football and played lots of it. He's found out same as us that he ain't close to being good enough. His distribution is rank awful, he lacks pace and he ain't blessed with height or size either. He looked decent at 4th and 3rd division level. If he gets another crack at the 2nd division good luck to him. Maybe one of the promoted sides would take him on but I'd be surprised if many Champ teams come knocking. He's entitled to stay of course, but I doubt there's any realistic prospect he'll be getting paid this month so he'll be free to seek a better option. Not a seller's market where TL's concerned3
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100% in agreement, but we’ve been saying this for years!Valley11 said:More than good enough for League One though. And let’s face it, half the side are leaving as it is. We need at least a few regulars to stick around.This has to be the moment for ownership change. We simply cannot keep doing this every year.0 -
The long period he spent at Bristol Rovers, and the good wishes he got from their fans shows his characterWelshValley said:I have some inside knowledge here.Lockyer came to us to play Championship football. Giggs told him he needed to if he wanted to be a serious contender going forward. He could have earned twice his Charlton wage going to one of our relegation rivals and £2k more per week going to one of the clubs now in the play offs. He accepted a much lower wage because he thought he would play more at Charlton and Bowyer really impressed him. He is no mercenary.The Club insisted on a relegation clause which would reduce his money if Charlton were relegated, in return they agreed the escape clause. This is standard practice I am led to believe.And to those questioning his commitment? He played every minute of every game accept the two he was banned for. Only Lockyer, Phillips and Cullen played every minute post the lockdown. And when they had the huddle before the second half yesterday, it was Lockyer doing the talking and rallying the troops.
There are plenty of people to blame for what happened this season. Picking on those that gave everything and would have died for the cause is more than a bit stupid in my eyes.
A solid player for us, but he has regressed a bit during the season. He hasn't looked international class when I've seen him play for Wales though, and I do worry about his temperament as he's too easily wound up4 -
Just for reference @golfaddick you gave Lockyer an 8 against Birmingham
So is that a game he played well in despite wanting us to get relegated or are you just talking out your arse now this clause has come outlancashire lad said:your marks here and please do not comment on other Lifers marks, we all have our own ideas please respect them:
Phillips: 8.5
Matthews: 7
Lockyer: 8
Pearce: 7.5
Doughty: 8
McGeady: 8
Cuillen: 5
Field: 7.5
Williams: 7.5
Bonne: 7.5
Hemed: 6
Aneke: 7
Referee:
Purrington: n/a
Pratley: n/a
Morgan: n/a
Sarr: n/a18 -
lets be honest anyone who says Lockyer wanted us get relegated so he could leave on a free is talking absolute rubbish
There is no way anyone of those players or staff wanted us to be relegated, every player gave there all for us15 -
When will he go??? Surely we're not officially relegated yet?
Haven't we got to wait on the efl or does computer say no??1 -
He’s not exactly backed himself to defend properly if he’s negotiated a clause that basically says ‘if we concede to many goals that means relegation, I get a get out of jail free pass.’ That’s confidence! lol!1
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I can't believe anyone would suggest he's played to lose... absolute nonsense!
If you've played sport at any half decent level you'd know that nobody goes out to lose and there's no evidence in his performances or body language to suggest that.
we're all pissed off an angry but that is absurd!5 -
I like him and always think he gives 100%2
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Same people who think Karlan Grant missed the penalty against Peterborough on purpose, strange.Maccn05 said:I can't believe anyone would suggest he's played to lose... absolute nonsense!
If you've played sport at any half decent level you'd know that nobody goes out to lose and there's no evidence in his performances or body language to suggest that.
we're all pissed off an angry but that is absurd!8 -
Exactly. We were told at the time, Lockyer signed for us because he bought into Bowyer.WhenIwasLittleBoy said:We were one of a few Championship clubs in for him last season, I am aware he spoke with Forest, and bought into Bowyer.
Bowyer told him he would improve him and make him a better player.
That's why he signed for Charlton.
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If that is all true (and we have know way of knowing unless someone outs you as Lockyer himself) then that does put a different slant on things.WelshValley said:I have some inside knowledge here.Lockyer came to us to play Championship football. Giggs told him he needed to if he wanted to be a serious contender going forward. He could have earned twice his Charlton wage going to one of our relegation rivals and £2k more per week going to one of the clubs now in the play offs. He accepted a much lower wage because he thought he would play more at Charlton and Bowyer really impressed him. He is no mercenary.The Club insisted on a relegation clause which would reduce his money if Charlton were relegated, in return they agreed the escape clause. This is standard practice I am led to believe.And to those questioning his commitment? He played every minute of every game accept the two he was banned for. Only Lockyer, Phillips and Cullen played every minute post the lockdown. And when they had the huddle before the second half yesterday, it was Lockyer doing the talking and rallying the troops.
There are plenty of people to blame for what happened this season. Picking on those that gave everything and would have died for the cause is more than a bit stupid in my eyes.
However, having such a clause in a contract just leaves a bad taste in the mouth imo. I also never said that Lockyer hadn't been trying & yes, I have probably given him better scores on the "player marks" thread as I think he has been better than Pearce this season. Not as good as Matthew's & on par with Sarr - makes less mistakes than Nabby but certainly doesn't have the big mans passing ability.
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Out of interest, is the consensus that he has improved? Would love to hear views on this.Oggy Red said:
Exactly. We were told at the time, Lockyer signed for us because he bought into Bowyer.WhenIwasLittleBoy said:We were one of a few Championship clubs in for him last season, I am aware he spoke with Forest, and bought into Bowyer.
Bowyer told him he would improve him and make him a better player.
That's why he signed for Charlton.
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I remember Jacko saying, when he was skipper just after Powell was sacked and we went bottom of the division:paulie8290 said:lets be honest anyone who says Lockyer wanted us get relegated so he could leave on a free is talking absolute rubbish
There is no way anyone of those players or staff wanted us to be relegated, every player gave there all for us
"...... no player wants a relegation on his CV"
And he used that to motivate the dressing room and avoid relegation.
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I think the Club had a clause that his wage would go down if we were relegated (fair enough).ozaddick said:He’s not exactly backed himself to defend properly if he’s negotiated a clause that basically says ‘if we concede to many goals that means relegation, I get a get out of jail free pass.’ That’s confidence! lol!
Given that it's not unreasonable for him to have his own relegation insurance.
I'm not quite sure how Lockyer 'benefits' from us being relegated although I realise it wasn't you suggesting that but @golfaddick1 -
Decent enough player, but not quite sure he'll ever be much more than a lower champ player. Think its perfectly reasonable for people to suggest he might not be fully committed in the last few games of his contract too, if he has this clause in there! Don't like them at all, but its swings and roundabouts I guess...0
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He benefits from us getting relegated because he can then move on a free, thus very possibly securing himself a signing on fee.LenGlover said:
I think the Club had a clause that his wage would go down if we were relegated (fair enough).ozaddick said:He’s not exactly backed himself to defend properly if he’s negotiated a clause that basically says ‘if we concede to many goals that means relegation, I get a get out of jail free pass.’ That’s confidence! lol!
Given that it's not unreasonable for him to have his own relegation insurance.
I'm not quite sure how Lockyer 'benefits' from us being relegated although I realise it wasn't you suggesting that but @golfaddick
Imagine a scenario. 3 games to go & it's looking like we could get relegated. His agent starts having talks with other clubs & one says that they would be willing to sign him & they reckon CAFC would take £500k. Agent drops it into the conversation that he can leave on a free if we went down & said club says no problem, we'll give the player £250k instead. Win/win.
And you dont think this could turn his head. And I'm not talking about scoring own goals or getting himself sent off ( Mr Mills take note) buy maybe just not tracking his man when they go past (ala Reading) or just allowing a ball to pass him on the way into the net (ala Birmingham).
Nah, I'm sure all players are whiter than white & fully honour their contracts (not naming any names Mr Taylor)2 -
Based on some of the posts on here, seems that a huge factor in this is likely to be international football.LenGlover said:
I think the Club had a clause that his wage would go down if we were relegated (fair enough).ozaddick said:He’s not exactly backed himself to defend properly if he’s negotiated a clause that basically says ‘if we concede to many goals that means relegation, I get a get out of jail free pass.’ That’s confidence! lol!
Given that it's not unreasonable for him to have his own relegation insurance.
I'm not quite sure how Lockyer 'benefits' from us being relegated although I realise it wasn't you suggesting that but @golfaddick
If he can only play for Wales if he is in Championship or higher then it makes sense to have a release clause so the misfortunes of your club do not prevent you getting a cap for your country.
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Relegation can do some strange things to supporters’ views on things.6
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I think Tom had an excellent season overall & I had him 4th behind Phillips, Cullen & Pratley in the POTY vote.WelshValley said:I have some inside knowledge here.Lockyer came to us to play Championship football. Giggs told him he needed to if he wanted to be a serious contender going forward. He could have earned twice his Charlton wage going to one of our relegation rivals and £2k more per week going to one of the clubs now in the play offs. He accepted a much lower wage because he thought he would play more at Charlton and Bowyer really impressed him. He is no mercenary.The Club insisted on a relegation clause which would reduce his money if Charlton were relegated, in return they agreed the escape clause. This is standard practice I am led to believe.And to those questioning his commitment? He played every minute of every game accept the two he was banned for. Only Lockyer, Phillips and Cullen played every minute post the lockdown. And when they had the huddle before the second half yesterday, it was Lockyer doing the talking and rallying the troops.
There are plenty of people to blame for what happened this season. Picking on those that gave everything and would have died for the cause is more than a bit stupid in my eyes.
PS I reckon you're his dad, but whatever your relationship, can you thank Tom for his efforts. from all the fans.13 -
He's a good player, who put a shift in, is going to the Euro's and deserves to be able to get his place by playing in the Championship. The idea he's happy we've been relegated is pretty offensive, but then a troll is going to troll4
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paulie8290 said:Just for reference @golfaddick you gave Lockyer an 8 against Birmingham
So is that a game he played well in despite wanting us to get relegated or are you just talking out your arse now this clause has come outlancashire lad said:your marks here and please do not comment on other Lifers marks, we all have our own ideas please respect them:
Phillips: 8.5
Matthews: 7
Lockyer: 8
Pearce: 7.5
Doughty: 8
McGeady: 8
Cuillen: 5
Field: 7.5
Williams: 7.5
Bonne: 7.5
Hemed: 6
Aneke: 7
Referee:
Purrington: n/a
Pratley: n/a
Morgan: n/a
Sarr: n/a
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I'm no troll. Just dont think it's in anyone's interests to have a clause in your contract that says if you are bad at your job then you get rewarded for it.Rothko said:He's a good player, who put a shift in, is going to the Euro's and deserves to be able to get his place by playing in the Championship. The idea he's happy we've been relegated is pretty offensive, but then a troll is going to troll
I'll let it drop now.......but one day when you find a striker with a similar clause & when he blasts a penalty over the bar in the last minute of the last game of the season & gets relegated because of it you might just think again.0 -
He’s not in Paddy Bauer’s class but he’s not the worst CB we’ve ever had. Seems like a decent bloke too. If we could keep him we should but there’s no way on earth he will be here next season unless there are major changes in the next couple of weeks, nor should he be if he’s in his right mind.3
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Can’t fault his commitment. Think he ran out of steam a bit at the end of the season - but having to man the Alamo game after game must take its toll.4
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I’m not going to slag Tom off because I think he’s a decent player, and when we do slag people off it generally comes back to bite us!
If he doesn’t want to be here because it’s playing in a lower division with less wages, then fair enough, thanks for your efforts, and all the best for your future.
I do think the pressure got to Tom in the end as it did to a lot of the players.
I think Tom would look a decent player in a team that’s not in free fall and fighting a relegation battle.
There was so many cracks in our squad that we even managed to turn decent players into nervy players that made mistakes, Toms performances in the end got worse and worse as the pressure told.
All the best Tom, and thank you.1 -
I like the guy and thought he had a solid season. The suggestion that he wasn’t committed in the last few games is ridiculous. If we was looking to exercise the clause then surely he would have done a Lyle. Why even bother playing.2
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Tom Lockyer strikes me as an extremely good professional and a very decent bloke. If he was motivated purely by money, he would not have signed for Charlton.
The Machiavellian motives attributed to him sound absurd and deeply unfair on the player. There were many imponderables in our relegation battle, not the least of which were Barnsley's two injury time winners against Forest and Brentford. If the last goal 2 minutes from the end of the season had been disallowed for offside, we'd have stayed up. Leaving all that aside, Lockyer playing badly was hardly likely to lengthen his queue of Championship suitors (particularly in the current climate).
It's just another example of Duchatelet's penny-pinching coming home to roost.7 -
Tom Lockyer is way way down the list of players who deserve any criticism for the way the season panned out.14
