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Tom Lockyer - collapsed again at Bournemouth, recovering in hospital (p23)

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  • MattF
    MattF Posts: 3,797
    Always gave his best for us, definitely grew in ability whilst here and put his body on line many times. Can't ask for more than that from him. Am sure a championship club will take him on, just hope he can get the same sort of game time he got with us.

    Really needs to work on his temper though. Seem to remember him saying he got frustrated this season as being captain at Bristol Rovers he had authority to speak to referees, and got annoyed when they blanked him at Charlton. We lost him for 2 pretty crucial games because of the sully bookings he kept getting, especially at Wednesday away.

    All the best Tom.
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,845
    golfaddick said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    Addick Addict said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    Literally beyond belief that you'd agree to insert a clause letting an under contract first team regular go on a free. 
    He came to us on a "free" and has left on a "free". 

    What bargaining power did we have when he joined us? Sound financial footing? The offer of a 5 year contract? Massive imminent strengthening of the squad? 

    Who in their right mind and is worth anything would want to stay and play for us right now? A club where the fans and players don't even know who the actual owners are and could go bust at any time.


    I'm not questioning him wanting to leave. Wouldn't blame anyone for that.

    But no one is going to convince me that inserting a clause whereby a first team regular can leave on a free is anything but ridiculous.
    This. What was his incentive to keeping us up. NONE.

    What was his incentive for us to get relegated. 

    £££££

    Fuck them all. No wonder we went down. Spineless. Players & Management. I wouldnt have played him. Played someone who wanted to be here whatever division we were going to be in come September.

    Another parasite like Taylor..
    What a knob
  • Riscardo
    Riscardo Posts: 2,337
    He's was the main stay in a mediocre Bristol team, and played in nearly every game to a Charlton team that were relegated because they weren't much cop. There's players out there that would be bitting your hand off to play ....
  • DoctorCharlton
    DoctorCharlton Posts: 2,463
    edited July 2020

    Will be offered a new contract before end of this week according to Cawley

    https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/exclusive-charlton-athletic-set-to-offer-new-contract-to-tom-lockyer/

  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,034
    DoctorCharlton said:
    Will be offered a new contract before end of this week according to Cawley
    One of those special Charlton, “here’s a contract with an 85% wage cut, but it’s technically a new contract so we can tell everyone that we tried to keep you when you turn it down” sort of contract offers?
  • Valley11
    Valley11 Posts: 11,983
    Rise of £6.59 then when he turns it down the owners can say ‘we tried’?
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,301
    Fair enough... if Lockyer stays then would really appreciate it and give us hope for next season for sure

    Wont begrudge him or anyone if they take the opportunity to leave
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,301
    edited July 2020
    As Cawley has said on twitter - We're able to offer these guys new deals because the likes of Matthews and other loanees have gone

    So what we were paying them can go on the Contract offers of Lockyer and JFC so wont be surprised to see Naby Sarr being offered next

    I imagine if we got Naby's Contract down (as cant see him being on the same terms) then that could go quite a way
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,002
    They key thing for me is not that we've offered a contract, but who exactly is offering it and under whose authorisation?
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,034
    ForeverAddickted said:
    As Cawley has said on twitter - We're able to offer these guys new deals because the likes of Matthews and other loanees have gone

    So what we were paying them can go on the Contract offers of Lockyer and JFC so wont be surprised to see Naby Sarr being offered next

    I imagine if we got Naby's Contract down (as cant see him being on the same terms) then that could go quite a way
    We have no income, are likely to be kicked out of the league and our ownership appears unknown and unwealthy. Regardless of who has left the club how on earth can we afford to offer anyone a new deal? And who in their right mind would accept? 
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  • DoctorCharlton
    DoctorCharlton Posts: 2,463
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    They key thing for me is not that we've offered a contract, but who exactly is offering it and under whose authorisation?

    I guess it's the same people who offered the contracts that Davison and Morgan signed the other week?

    Who that is, I don't know.

  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    They key thing for me is not that we've offered a contract, but who exactly is offering it and under whose authorisation?
    Regardless of who owns the club, I believe Steve Gallen has the authority to sign/renegotiate contracts with players as DoF doesn't he?
  • SuedeAdidas
    SuedeAdidas Posts: 7,737
    edited July 2020
    se9addick said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    As Cawley has said on twitter - We're able to offer these guys new deals because the likes of Matthews and other loanees have gone

    So what we were paying them can go on the Contract offers of Lockyer and JFC so wont be surprised to see Naby Sarr being offered next

    I imagine if we got Naby's Contract down (as cant see him being on the same terms) then that could go quite a way
    We have no income, are likely to be kicked out of the league and our ownership appears unknown and unwealthy. Regardless of who has left the club how on earth can we afford to offer anyone a new deal? And who in their right mind would accept? 
    From the player's perspective - IF the money is acceptable to you then I don't know why you wouldn't sign it? It provides a level of financial security.

    After all - in our situation, a player will be aware that if a decent offer comes in for them, the club will likely accept regardless of whether they have just signed a new contract.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,301
    Dazzler21 said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    They key thing for me is not that we've offered a contract, but who exactly is offering it and under whose authorisation?
    Regardless of who owns the club, I believe Steve Gallen has the authority to sign/renegotiate contracts with players as DoF doesn't he?
    Yeah Cawley has confirmed that Gallen is the one using the pigeon feed
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    We may offer him a new contract but no way will he sign it lol.

    As se9 said it will be one of those were they csn publicly say they offferee it to him and he turned it down to make them look good.

    But really its most likely a wage decrease or worst case the same wage he is on now, when he could get more at a championship team.

    So I am still 99.9% sure he is gonna be gone
  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 13,916
    edited July 2020
    I dont understand how hes being offered a deal while we are under embargo... he cant get and improved offer, just the same as last season. Is that correct ? 
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,975
    shine166 said:
    I dont understand how hes being offered a deal while we are under embargo... he cant get and improved offer, just the same as last season. Is that correct ? 
    I understand we are being kept on a certain level of spending. So as with bringing in loans in Jan, we kept to the level as we lost Leko, Gallagher etc.

    So now a few others have left, ie Matthews, we can use that free’d up budget.
  • SteveKielyCambridge
    SteveKielyCambridge Posts: 219
    shine166 said:
    I dont understand how hes being offered a deal while we are under embargo... he cant get and improved offer, just the same as last season. Is that correct ? 

    Not really, the total wage bill cannot increase, but an individual player's wage can do so. So because the likes of Lyle, Solly, and Page (at least) are off, then it frees up money to pay others.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,301
    shine166 said:
    I dont understand how hes being offered a deal while we are under embargo... he cant get and improved offer, just the same as last season. Is that correct ? 
    Yes he can... See it this way in the most basic of terms:

    Lockyer got £20... Matthews got £10... With Matthews now gone we can offer Lockyer: £30
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,559
    shine166 said:
    I dont understand how hes being offered a deal while we are under embargo... he cant get and improved offer, just the same as last season. Is that correct ? 
    I think that there was an agreed budget set by Roland with the EFL. As long as we remain in that budget it's ok. Issue comes if you offer more to say Lockyer and JFC and when you later come to sign other players or loanees the budget will be stretched.
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  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    ForeverAddickted said:
    shine166 said:
    I dont understand how hes being offered a deal while we are under embargo... he cant get and improved offer, just the same as last season. Is that correct ? 
    Yes he can... See it this way in the most basic of terms:

    Lockyer got £20... Matthews got £10... With Matthews now gone we can offer Lockyer: £30
    This.
  • DoctorCharlton
    DoctorCharlton Posts: 2,463
    ForeverAddickted said:
    As Cawley has said on twitter - We're able to offer these guys new deals because the likes of Matthews and other loanees have gone

    So what we were paying them can go on the Contract offers of Lockyer and JFC so wont be surprised to see Naby Sarr being offered next

    I imagine if we got Naby's Contract down (as cant see him being on the same terms) then that could go quite a way
    I see a fan asked Cawley about Naby. Sadly, Cawley reckons he will go.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,301
    DoctorCharlton said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    As Cawley has said on twitter - We're able to offer these guys new deals because the likes of Matthews and other loanees have gone

    So what we were paying them can go on the Contract offers of Lockyer and JFC so wont be surprised to see Naby Sarr being offered next

    I imagine if we got Naby's Contract down (as cant see him being on the same terms) then that could go quite a way
    I see a fan asked Cawley about Naby. Sadly, Cawley reckons he will go.
    Cheers, I'd asked Rich myself about Naby but hadnt heard back - Guess he didnt want to repeat himself
  • ross1
    ross1 Posts: 50,974
    ForeverAddickted said:
    shine166 said:
    I dont understand how hes being offered a deal while we are under embargo... he cant get and improved offer, just the same as last season. Is that correct ? 
    Yes he can... See it this way in the most basic of terms:

    Lockyer got £20... Matthews got £10... With Matthews now gone we can offer Lockyer: £30
    You reckon that some players are on a wage as high as £10 and £20, no wonder we are broke  :)
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,301
    ross1 said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    shine166 said:
    I dont understand how hes being offered a deal while we are under embargo... he cant get and improved offer, just the same as last season. Is that correct ? 
    Yes he can... See it this way in the most basic of terms:

    Lockyer got £20... Matthews got £10... With Matthews now gone we can offer Lockyer: £30
    You reckon that some players are on a wage as high as £10 and £20, no wonder we are broke  :)
    Was waiting for that one  :D
  • ross1
    ross1 Posts: 50,974
    ForeverAddickted said:
    ross1 said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    shine166 said:
    I dont understand how hes being offered a deal while we are under embargo... he cant get and improved offer, just the same as last season. Is that correct ? 
    Yes he can... See it this way in the most basic of terms:

    Lockyer got £20... Matthews got £10... With Matthews now gone we can offer Lockyer: £30
    You reckon that some players are on a wage as high as £10 and £20, no wonder we are broke  :)
    Was waiting for that one  :D
    Hate to disappoint you  :)
  • boggzy
    boggzy Posts: 3,595
    SteveKielyCambridge said:
    shine166 said:
    I dont understand how hes being offered a deal while we are under embargo... he cant get and improved offer, just the same as last season. Is that correct ? 

    Not really, the total wage bill cannot increase, but an individual player's wage can do so. So because the likes of Lyle, Solly, and Page (at least) are off, then it frees up money to pay others.
    Or nice bread and bitches.
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    They key thing for me is not that we've offered a contract, but who exactly is offering it and under whose authorisation?
    Gallen? I’m sure they can do what they like, within the rules of the embargo. 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,842
    ForeverAddickted said:
    shine166 said:
    I dont understand how hes being offered a deal while we are under embargo... he cant get and improved offer, just the same as last season. Is that correct ? 
    Yes he can... See it this way in the most basic of terms:

    Lockyer got £20... Matthews got £10... With Matthews now gone we can offer Lockyer: £20.01
    Corrected  ;)
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    boggzy said:
    SteveKielyCambridge said:
    shine166 said:
    I dont understand how hes being offered a deal while we are under embargo... he cant get and improved offer, just the same as last season. Is that correct ? 

    Not really, the total wage bill cannot increase, but an individual player's wage can do so. So because the likes of Lyle, Solly, and Page (at least) are off, then it frees up money to pay others.
    Or nice bread and bitches.
    I dread to think what the standard of bitch would be like with our finances.

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