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Tom Lockyer - collapsed again at Bournemouth, recovering in hospital (p23)

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  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    wmcf123 said:
    Not as good as Bauer but he did pretty well 
    Would have been a solid rotation option for Bauer. 
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,954
    Dazzler21 said:
    wmcf123 said:
    Not as good as Bauer but he did pretty well 
    Would have been a solid rotation option for Bauer. 
    Bowyer didn't really rotate the centre backs this season.
    He kept to his regular pairing, except for injury and suspension.

    As borne out by Lockyer playing every minute of 43 games, bar the 3 he missed due to suspension.


  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    edited July 2020
    I suppose I have a bias in that I think Sarr was almost criminally underused. Its all about opinions.
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    Oggy Red said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    wmcf123 said:
    Not as good as Bauer but he did pretty well 
    Would have been a solid rotation option for Bauer. 
    Bowyer didn't really rotate the centre backs this season.
    He kept to his regular pairing, except for injury and suspension.

    As borne out by Lockyer playing every minute of 43 games, bar the 3 he missed due to suspension.
    Yeah that and us not having another right sided centre back. 
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,304
    DoctorCharlton said:

    I've played call of duty with him a couple of times, and he always replies to my messages on instagram.

    I sent him one the other day asking him about the contract offer and if there is a chance of him staying, he didn't reply to that one... didn't even open it.

    Make of that what you will.

    Whats his defensive side of the game like? ;)
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,844
    DoctorCharlton said:

    I've played call of duty with him a couple of times, and he always replies to my messages on instagram.

    I sent him one the other day asking him about the contract offer and if there is a chance of him staying, he didn't reply to that one... didn't even open it.

    Make of that what you will.

    He's dumped you

    Men
  • ross1
    ross1 Posts: 50,974
    With all the talk of which players are, or could be, leaving, I only care about one thing. The club will sort itself out by the beginning of next season, Bowyer, Jackson and Gallen are still here. I rely on them to get players in to replace ones going out
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    I'm sure they are planning as we speak. They know the division and how to get out of it. Hopefully external factors won't hinder them too much.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,844
    edited August 2020
    Tom Lockyer has taken up the option which allows him to become a free agent.
    But he is effectively serving his notice period for the next month.
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  • BigRedEvil
    BigRedEvil Posts: 11,071
    Is this the positive news then? ;-)

    Cant say I blame him.
  • Moo
    Moo Posts: 311
    Good luck to him. Leaving in the right way. 
  • KettsJohn
    KettsJohn Posts: 1,210
    Yeah, can't blame him. Should find a reasonable championship club. Good luck to him.
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    So he’s putting it out there that he’s available on a free and might come back if there’s no offer on the table. 

    Don’t blame him and I’d be shocked if a Championship club aren’t able to offer him 5-6k a week. 
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,010
    When the news on his clause became public i was pretty pissed off.

    Now i'm actually glad he can go on a free so that ESI don't get a fucking penny. 
  • SheedyCAFC
    SheedyCAFC Posts: 1,244
    Can’t really see how he was rated so highly by some of our fans. Think some of you had ‘international player’ blinkers on.

    He started the season well, but Lockyer was by far our biggest weakness after lockdown and was largely mistake prone and cost us goals.

    He would have been an asset in League One, but he’s not a Championship defender by any means. You can’t blame him for going though - like any of our players in our current uncertain situation. Good luck to him.
  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,273
    Decent League One defender who would probably do a job as a 3rd CB at a smaller Championship club.  Whether, during Covid times that means he would earn more than he is on with us who knows but probably.  Good luck to him.
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    I think Lockyer would have been better at RB, he always drifted there anyway!
  • AllHailTheHen
    AllHailTheHen Posts: 3,063
    SheedyCAFC said:
    Can’t really see how he was rated so highly by some of our fans. Think some of you had ‘international player’ blinkers on.

    He started the season well, but Lockyer was by far our biggest weakness after lockdown and was largely mistake prone and cost us goals.

    He would have been an asset in League One, but he’s not a Championship defender by any means. You can’t blame him for going though - like any of our players in our current uncertain situation. Good luck to him.
    The defence wasn't really the problem post lockdown. It was the lack of goals at the other end that cost us.

    Stick him in a team with better players and I think he's comfortably championship level.
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    AllHailTheHen said:
    SheedyCAFC said:
    Can’t really see how he was rated so highly by some of our fans. Think some of you had ‘international player’ blinkers on.

    He started the season well, but Lockyer was by far our biggest weakness after lockdown and was largely mistake prone and cost us goals.

    He would have been an asset in League One, but he’s not a Championship defender by any means. You can’t blame him for going though - like any of our players in our current uncertain situation. Good luck to him.
    The defence wasn't really the problem post lockdown. It was the lack of goals at the other end that cost us.

    Stick him in a team with better players and I think he's comfortably championship level.
    I like what you're saying but if we hadn't conceded post lockdown we wouldn't have been relegated. Just saying. 
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  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,844
    cafcfan1990 said:
    So he’s putting it out there that he’s available on a free and might come back if there’s no offer on the table. 

    Don’t blame him and I’d be shocked if a Championship club aren’t able to offer him 5-6k a week. 
    I assume that if he did come back, he'd earn another signing on fee too
  • jakecafc
    jakecafc Posts: 2,065
    Watch him run back with tail between his legs when he finds it hard to get a decent enough contract in the current climate. Dont want anyone here that doesn't want to be here.
  • cafctom
    cafctom Posts: 11,365
    jakecafc said:
    Watch him run back with tail between his legs when he finds it hard to get a decent enough contract in the current climate. Dont want anyone here that doesn't want to be here.
    Well I’m glad we’re in such a privileged position as a club right now to pick and choose our players who do want to play for us. 
  • MrLargo
    MrLargo Posts: 7,989
    I wouldn't presume that this means he's going. Not a good time to be a free agent at the moment, hence Williams was happy to sign up for another year.

    He's given us a months' notice, which effectively gives him a month to find a better proposition than Charlton, or he can sign up with us again. Can't imagine he'd get a shedload more money anywhere else, he's upper end League 1/Lower end Championship, and nobody's gonna be splashing the cash at the moment, particularly in League 1 with the salary cap.

    I'm sure the players are aware of the circus going on with our ownership - if I was Lockyer with a month to go until the new season starts, I wouldn't want to commit to a year of playing in a team that's likely to be full of youth teamers and not able to fill the subs bench. But I wouldn't want burn my bridges either, in case the situation changes for the better in the next couple of weeks.
  • jakecafc
    jakecafc Posts: 2,065
    cafctom said:
    jakecafc said:
    Watch him run back with tail between his legs when he finds it hard to get a decent enough contract in the current climate. Dont want anyone here that doesn't want to be here.
    Well I’m glad we’re in such a privileged position as a club right now to pick and choose our players who do want to play for us. 
    That's why hes doing it. He knows our situation and its bollocks 
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    MrLargo said:
    I wouldn't presume that this means he's going. Not a good time to be a free agent at the moment, hence Williams was happy to sign up for another year.

    He's given us a months' notice, which effectively gives him a month to find a better proposition than Charlton, or he can sign up with us again. Can't imagine he'd get a shedload more money anywhere else, he's upper end League 1/Lower end Championship, and nobody's gonna be splashing the cash at the moment, particularly in League 1 with the salary cap.

    I'm sure the players are aware of the circus going on with our ownership - if I was Lockyer with a month to go until the new season starts, I wouldn't want to commit to a year of playing in a team that's likely to be full of youth teamers and not able to fill the subs bench. But I wouldn't want burn my bridges either, in case the situation changes for the better in the next couple of weeks.
    Which is why it's perfect for someone like Lockyer. A mid table Championship club or even someone like Luton and Barnsley are likely to be interested. I doubt anybody was going to buy him but can't imagine there's many other affordable alternatives to Lockyer. 
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,031
    MrLargo said:
    I wouldn't presume that this means he's going. Not a good time to be a free agent at the moment, hence Williams was happy to sign up for another year.

    He's given us a months' notice, which effectively gives him a month to find a better proposition than Charlton, or he can sign up with us again. Can't imagine he'd get a shedload more money anywhere else, he's upper end League 1/Lower end Championship, and nobody's gonna be splashing the cash at the moment, particularly in League 1 with the salary cap.

    I'm sure the players are aware of the circus going on with our ownership - if I was Lockyer with a month to go until the new season starts, I wouldn't want to commit to a year of playing in a team that's likely to be full of youth teamers and not able to fill the subs bench. But I wouldn't want burn my bridges either, in case the situation changes for the better in the next couple of weeks.
    He'll certainly benefit from a signing on fee.  I should imagine that would trouser him 100k at least.
  • MrLargo
    MrLargo Posts: 7,989
    cafcfan1990 said:
    MrLargo said:
    I wouldn't presume that this means he's going. Not a good time to be a free agent at the moment, hence Williams was happy to sign up for another year.

    He's given us a months' notice, which effectively gives him a month to find a better proposition than Charlton, or he can sign up with us again. Can't imagine he'd get a shedload more money anywhere else, he's upper end League 1/Lower end Championship, and nobody's gonna be splashing the cash at the moment, particularly in League 1 with the salary cap.

    I'm sure the players are aware of the circus going on with our ownership - if I was Lockyer with a month to go until the new season starts, I wouldn't want to commit to a year of playing in a team that's likely to be full of youth teamers and not able to fill the subs bench. But I wouldn't want burn my bridges either, in case the situation changes for the better in the next couple of weeks.
    Which is why it's perfect for someone like Lockyer. A mid table Championship club or even someone like Luton and Barnsley are likely to be interested. I doubt anybody was going to buy him but can't imagine there's many other affordable alternatives to Lockyer. 
    Not sure about that. Wages will be driven down across the board. I'm sure the same clubs that were looking at Lyle Taylor in January will still be keen to sign him, but it'll now be £15k a week or whatever, rather than the £20k a week his agent told him he was on for pre-pandemic.

    I don't agree that a mid-table Championship club will now be looking to sign a lower calibre of player to save money, they'll just be offering the same targets less than they previously would have done.
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    MrLargo said:
    cafcfan1990 said:
    MrLargo said:
    I wouldn't presume that this means he's going. Not a good time to be a free agent at the moment, hence Williams was happy to sign up for another year.

    He's given us a months' notice, which effectively gives him a month to find a better proposition than Charlton, or he can sign up with us again. Can't imagine he'd get a shedload more money anywhere else, he's upper end League 1/Lower end Championship, and nobody's gonna be splashing the cash at the moment, particularly in League 1 with the salary cap.

    I'm sure the players are aware of the circus going on with our ownership - if I was Lockyer with a month to go until the new season starts, I wouldn't want to commit to a year of playing in a team that's likely to be full of youth teamers and not able to fill the subs bench. But I wouldn't want burn my bridges either, in case the situation changes for the better in the next couple of weeks.
    Which is why it's perfect for someone like Lockyer. A mid table Championship club or even someone like Luton and Barnsley are likely to be interested. I doubt anybody was going to buy him but can't imagine there's many other affordable alternatives to Lockyer. 
    Not sure about that. Wages will be driven down across the board. I'm sure the same clubs that were looking at Lyle Taylor in January will still be keen to sign him, but it'll now be £15k a week or whatever, rather than the £20k a week his agent told him he was on for pre-pandemic.

    I don't agree that a mid-table Championship club will now be looking to sign a lower calibre of player to save money, they'll just be offering the same targets less than they previously would have done.
    Not if those targets are also costing a transfer fee. There is undoutedbly a risk at being a free agent in this market, although I also think it's potentially a good position to be in. 
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,304
    MrLargo said:
    I wouldn't presume that this means he's going. Not a good time to be a free agent at the moment, hence Williams was happy to sign up for another year.

    He's given us a months' notice, which effectively gives him a month to find a better proposition than Charlton, or he can sign up with us again. Can't imagine he'd get a shedload more money anywhere else, he's upper end League 1/Lower end Championship, and nobody's gonna be splashing the cash at the moment, particularly in League 1 with the salary cap.

    I'm sure the players are aware of the circus going on with our ownership - if I was Lockyer with a month to go until the new season starts, I wouldn't want to commit to a year of playing in a team that's likely to be full of youth teamers and not able to fill the subs bench. But I wouldn't want burn my bridges either, in case the situation changes for the better in the next couple of weeks.
    Or he can simply withdraw his notice if its an option, he's still got a year remaining on his Contract

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