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Valliant 500

Does anyone know if there is an updated version of Colin Cameron's book?

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  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,479
    Not yet but @killerjerrylee is in the middle of writing the Valiant 1000

    @stig and the cafc facts and stats website and twitter account have lists.

    We're at 905
  • Valiant 1000 will come in three volumes. It will provide the stats data on each player on similar lines to Colin's book, but will also go into a lot more detail about their careers, both at Charlton and elsewhere.  Originally it was intended to be  in two volumes but has already outgrown that format. My schedule is for the first book  to be ready for Christmas 2021 (maybe a little optimistic) and the others to follow at yearly intervals.
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,195
    I wonder who number 1000 will be, who it will be against and in what competition. Do appearances in friendly matches count? 
  • JohnnyH2
    JohnnyH2 Posts: 5,381
    se9addick said:
    I wonder who number 1000 will be, who it will be against and in what competition. Do appearances in friendly matches count? 
    No
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,195
    JohnnyH2 said:
    se9addick said:
    I wonder who number 1000 will be, who it will be against and in what competition. Do appearances in friendly matches count? 
    No
    Makes sense, Champions League it is then!
  • Great news, looking forward to it.

    It took c.69 years to get to the first 500, and will take c. 31 years to get to 1,000. If you are into charts, and to entertain the sad statos like me out there, it would be good to include the trend as a line chart in the new book...

  • Great news, looking forward to it.

    It took c.69 years to get to the first 500, and will take c. 31 years to get to 1,000. If you are into charts, and to entertain the sad statos like me out there, it would be good to include the trend as a line chart in the new book...

    Like this?


  • That could be done. There are so many different stats that  would be fun to include. Do you know who has scored the most penalties for Charlton ? I spent a whole evening working it out recently. Now that is really sad. Who wants to give me the name?
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,479
    Hales?
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,900
    edited October 2020
    That could be done. There are so many different stats that  would be fun to include. Do you know who has scored the most penalties for Charlton ? I spent a whole evening working it out recently. Now that is really sad. Who wants to give me the name?
    I reckon it'll be one of three, Derek Hales, Booby Curtis, or Mark Reid.

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  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,479
    Another of the museum trustees (Ian/KillerjerryLee is one of seven) is also working on all the stats pre-1921.


  • SporadicAddick
    SporadicAddick Posts: 6,988
    edited October 2020
    That could be done. There are so many different stats that  would be fun to include. Do you know who has scored the most penalties for Charlton ? I spent a whole evening working it out recently. Now that is really sad. Who wants to give me the name?
    Bob Curtis....

    according to this:-

    https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/67088/successful-penalty-ratio-since-1946-1947-minimum-of-5-pens-taken/p1


  • Dead right. Bob Curtis is the right answer. Now here is an easy one. Who has made the most substitute appearances for Charlton?
  • Jonatan Johansson ?
  • Dead right. Bob Curtis is the right answer. Now here is an easy one. Who has made the most substitute appearances for Charlton?
    Lisbie?
  • shirty5
    shirty5 Posts: 19,420
    Not yet but @killerjerrylee is in the middle of writing the Valiant 1000

    @stig and the cafc facts and stats website and twitter account have lists.

    We're at 905
    https://cafcfactsstats.com/
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,900
    Dead right. Bob Curtis is the right answer. Now here is an easy one. Who has made the most substitute appearances for Charlton?
    Steve Gritt.
  • pettgra
    pettgra Posts: 1,588
    Keith Peacock?
  • The answer is Kevin Lisbie who made a mind boggling 108 league and cup appearances as a substitute. Now here is my final question of the day !! This one is a bit harder. Which former Charlton player holds (I believe) the record for having scored the fastest hat-trick of headed goals in Football league history? He got all three in a seven minute spell. All this information and much more will appear in Valiant 1000. I will give you the answer when I get home this afternoon, around 6 pm.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,479
    I should remember this because Ian told me but I can't. ☹️

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  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,292
    Were these goals for us or another team?
  • Purely guesswork but is it Matt Tees? 
  • pettgra
    pettgra Posts: 1,588
    On the basis that I do not have a clue, I will plump for Jim Fryatt.
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,900
    Eddie Firmani for Charlton, Cliff Hilton or Ron Saunders for another team.
  • Sorry but that was a tough one. On 6th April 1974 Lincoln City beat Bury 4-1 in a Division 4 league match. It was Dennis Booth, all 5' 7'' of him who scored three headed goals in one spell of seven minutes. I have checked but cannot find any other instance that beats that record. I should imagine the Bury defenders got a bit of a roasting from the manager.
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,900
    Sorry but that was a tough one. On 6th April 1974 Lincoln City beat Bury 4-1 in a Division 4 league match. It was Dennis Booth, all 5' 7'' of him who scored three headed goals in one spell of seven minutes. I have checked but cannot find any other instance that beats that record. I should imagine the Bury defenders got a bit of a roasting from the manager.
    Saw Dennis Booth and the rest of the colts up on the pitch behind the War Memorial top of Shooters Hill, think it was a charity game of some sort back in the 60's.
  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,292
    I'm usually a fan of The Guardian's The Knowledge, but they had no mention of Booth when they covered headed hat-tricks. They had Jordan Rhodes with the record (8 mins), stating that the previous record was held by Dixie Dean (10 minutes). https://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/oct/15/the-knowledge-football-hat-tricks-headers

    As is encouraged, readers wrote in the following week but again the Booth was empty. There was a story about Robert Lee getting a headed hat-trick for Newcastle v Antwerp and something about Sweden v USSR from the marvellously named Stig Wallerman. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/oct/22/the-knowledge-football-black-out-laws