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Quality of League One

AFKABartram
AFKABartram Posts: 57,829
edited October 2020 in General Charlton
from the handful of games I’ve seen so far seems to have slipped massively since two years ago.

I’d have thought with no crowds there it would have encouraged less pressurised better passing football, but the opposite seems to be the case so far. 

Everything seems to be hurried, squeezed, niggly fouls, playing to win fouls, no flow to games whatsoever. 

Agree / disagree ?
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  • DaveMehmet
    DaveMehmet Posts: 21,601
    From what I’ve seen of it, it’s shit.
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    I agree but I think with Bowyer as our manager, no Gilbey, Maddison etc we are quite happy to have scrappy games so are probably contributing to it. Sunderland will be up there but again won't play the best football under Parkinson. From a few clips Ipswich look like they can play some decent stuff and Peterborough usually do. 
  • Thought Oxford actually played some decent football, especially when they got the ball into their number 10. We are just very good at defending.

    I'd say the ref probably made tonights game look worse than it was, because he gave a foul for everything. Compare that to the Northampton ref, who I think if was in charge if this game it would have been quiet good to watch.
  • Tinpot so far, lacking in quality, but I can’t believe they are all going to be like this, the next 2 weeks are crucial!
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,850
    It's a pub league - the sort of pub with a couple of boarded up windows, no beer, and a bloke sitting in the corner swearing at himself.
  • MattF
    MattF Posts: 3,797
    It's been crap so far but we've got a lot of big tests to come. Was planning to take Oxford as the benchmark but all they managed was to put a few nice passes together without much end product. Portsmouth might be a better show.
  • Disagree on the whole. About the same I'd say. I think there are a lot of fouls and hurried play because the commitment in L1 is higher than you see in the Prem where it seems like a training match sometimes.
  • Gonna reserve comment until we've seen some of the true big guns

    Doncaster and Sunderland are both dropping into that inconsistent tag whilst we're copying Lincoln by grinding out results, just with a bit more style

    Saturday against Portsmouth will be the first true big test if we've got what it takes to be in that top two
  • ct_addick
    ct_addick Posts: 4,333
    I was disappointed we went down as every game is against quality in Champ however because of all the shit we have been thru it was probably good for us to rebuild in League 1 and then take the Champ by storm next season
  • clb74
    clb74 Posts: 10,824
    Love league 1
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  • from the handful of games I’ve seen so far seems to have slipped massively since two years ago.

    I’d have thought with no crowds there it would have encouraged less pressurised better passing football, but the opposite seems to be the case so far. 

    Everything seems to be hurried, squeezed, niggerly fouls, playing to win fouls, no flow to games whatsoever. 

    Agree / disagree ?
    We've beat 5 of the bottom 7 sides

    We have played well in patches but improving dramatically since Sunderland.

    Still a lot of teams coming together late because of covid and the disruption of last season. 

    I think you'll see improvement in games after chrimbo. 
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,462
    I think there's a substantial quality gap between the top 7 or 8 and the rest of the league.

    For that reason I think it will make it harder to get out
  • Definitely feel it's a weaker league this time out. 
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,752
    League one is shit shocker ...
  • PopIcon
    PopIcon Posts: 5,970
    It is worse than both our other promotion seasons.
  • I think every season in league one has a top 6/7 teams that are almost champ quality, with a big gulf in class below. This season looks no different and Pompey on Saturday will be a real test.

    P.s. it’s “niggly”, snowflakes may kick off with your spelling... 
  • thai malaysia addick
    thai malaysia addick Posts: 18,339
    edited October 2020
    The table is already stretching so it seems to me. It’s going to be a case of four or five good good sides and the rest all very ordinary. Portsmouth will be a good barometer for us.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,780
    There was some dross last time as well. 4-0 vs Scunthorpe and 4-0 vs Rochdale towards the end of the season spring to mind.
  • DamoNorthStand
    DamoNorthStand Posts: 10,938
    edited October 2020
    Gonna reserve comment until we've seen some of the true big guns

    Doncaster and Sunderland are both dropping into that inconsistent tag whilst we're copying Lincoln by grinding out results, just with a bit more style

    Saturday against Portsmouth will be the first true big test if we've got what it takes to be in that top two
    I was thinking that before tonight - but minus Inniss, Watson, Doughty, Gilbey and Maddison not fit to start (players who probably would be in everyone’s starting 11) - I don’t think we can read too much into it if we lose, ahead of the rest of the season.
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,862
    AFKA yearning for the league one of years gone by like someone pining for an old lost love, but forgetting she was actually a bitch and you were well rid of her. 
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  • cafcnick1992
    cafcnick1992 Posts: 7,414
    Feels a bit harsh to create this thread after playing Oxford who looked like a decent footballing side.
  • Carter
    Carter Posts: 14,251
    Oxford tried to play I thought, in fact they outright carved us up early on 

    I think most sides in this division try and play on the deck, every side is playing from the back and looking to find some space and absorb a press. The theory is often a lot better than the practical or another way of putting it the quality of football is good the quality of footballer less so

    As someone else said, we have played half a dozen of the teams in the bottom spots as well

    Have a look at Joe Ward at Peterborough, always eye him up to back to score. Class player and Peterborough are a pretty expansive side 

    Doncaster play decent football too and Wigan are a good side as well just hampered with the type of shit we are used to 


  • jimmymelrose
    jimmymelrose Posts: 9,753
    It looks worse than the standard of that Palace v Charlton match from 1973 or 74 that was on BBC4  a week or so ago.

    The reason being that referees blow the whistle for every little knock and the players 'draw the foul' and fall over at every opportunity. The only thing I don't like about our commentators is that they seem to find this behaviour ordinary.

    I actually replayed a part of that match on BBC4 to my ten year old son and went through what would have happened if it were today. Killer went for the ball against the goalie who got a bit hurt with his challenge. Killer looked first at the ref to say sorry then he apologised to the keeper. A Palace defender was a bit irate but Killer apologised to him aswell obviously saying that he was going for the ball. The goalie said that he was OK, the Palace defender and Killer shook hands and the ref was satisfied with that, and the game continued. 
    If that were today, the goalie would be writhing away on the ground, the Palace defender would have pushed the attacker in the chest who would have fallen on the ground too, the ref would have run over and given a yellow card to the defender. They would be arguing about it for ages, forced by the ref to shake hands but would all still have a bee in their bonnet about it for ages. And so it would go on. 

    Ironically, after the match, Allison was talking about a league managers' meeting in which they would discuss referees unneccessarily stopping the match, and players faking fouls. It was like listening to someone I spoke to here in La Roche sur Yon moaning about traffic jams and wondering what they'd think of living in London.

    The only thing wrong with League One is the players (and even the referees) acting like spoilt brats who think that they are always right, and wanting to get everyone else into trouble. That's why the quality becomes bad.
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,231
    Famewo and Maatsen will be taken away from us and returned to their Parent clubs in January before their careers are ruined.

    Or Norwich and Chelsea think it will toughen up their boys and they will return as men at the end of a successful season.

    The latter please. 
  • cafctom
    cafctom Posts: 11,372
    I don't even think the 'big guns' in the league can salvage the level of tinpot this division is.

    The game at home to Sunderland was the most tedious match I've sat through in years. 
  • Famewo and Maatsen will be taken away from us and returned to their Parent clubs in January before their careers are ruined.

    Or Norwich and Chelsea think it will toughen up their boys and they will return as men at the end of a successful season.

    The latter please. 
    Norwich will be delighted that Famewo is getting a chance to really test himself in a tough, physical league. He's a centre back, he needs to be strong

    If they recall him it'll be because he's doing too well and they want him for their own team

    I'm sure Chelsea will be happy to let Maatsen stay the season, his first loan spell and he's only young
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,635
    edited October 2020
    It is & always has been a shit league. Always has 6 or 7 decent teams, a few that have come up & are trying to find their way/better themselves and then the remaining 12-15 teams that just like to kick lumps out of everyone. 

    Also mainly full of Northern teams who have proper local derbies which mean that most if the time they don't have to travel anywhere. Whereas there are never any London sides & never any derbies that you can call "local". Also have to travel to Plymouth & Sunderland in the last month of  the season. So so pissed off that we went down instead of Sheff Wed last season. 
  • SantaClaus
    SantaClaus Posts: 7,658
    Gonna reserve comment until we've seen some of the true big guns

    Doncaster and Sunderland are both dropping into that inconsistent tag whilst we're copying Lincoln by grinding out results, just with a bit more style

    Saturday against Portsmouth will be the first true big test if we've got what it takes to be in that top two
    I was thinking that before tonight - but minus Inniss, Watson, Doughty, Gilbey and Maddison not fit to start (players who probably would be in everyone’s starting 11) - I don’t think we can read too much into it if we lose, ahead of the rest of the season.
    Sure we've got a few key players missing but our early kick off means we've got an extra 45 minutes to rest up and prepare for the game. I think it balances things out.
  • Blucher
    Blucher Posts: 4,136
    It's too early to say really but, from what I've seen so far, the standard does look pretty poor and the gap between League 1 and the Championship will only get wider with the I introduction of the League 1 salary cap. It really does feel like the drawbridge is being pulled up.

    With lower league clubs usually only able to commit to one or two year contracts, the better players will be cherry picked even more swiftly than normal, whilst the lack of continuity in most club's squads can't help in trying to establish a coherent style of play.
  • I think there's a substantial quality gap between the top 7 or 8 and the rest of the league.

    For that reason I think it will make it harder to get out
    True but whilst other league one teams up the top might have decent teams, do they have decent squads? It's a long season, games coming thick and fast and injuries will soon hit. Plus how many sides can afford to strengthen in January? 

    For that reason i'm convinced we will be strong promotion contenders. Portsmouth will definitely be our toughest game so far though.