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January 2021 Transfer Targets (last minute swoop for Jaiyesimi p184 - NOW it's all over.)
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Lots of transfer targets from my 40 notifications....it’s like your all stuck indoors with nothing else to do.2
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Can't we just sign the best centre half and best defensive midfielder going who is league 1 or lower and is also under 21.
Our transfer kitty must be reasonable.5 -
Sounds good on paper but I guess as a result teams can charge a premium on such players. They must have a ‘budget’ both including and without the cap so won’t go necessarily go over it. Knowing Bowuer and Gallen we won’t know much about any major deal till it’s nearly done, that’s (usually) the case with them.Cordoban Addick said:Can't we just sign the best centre half and best defensive midfielder going who is league 1 or lower and is also under 21.
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But teams are skint, why not test their resolve?cafc_harry said:
Sounds good on paper but I guess as a result teams can charge a premium on such players. They must have a ‘budget’ both including and without the cap so won’t go necessarily go over it. Knowing Bowuer and Gallen we won’t know much about any major deal till it’s nearly done, that’s (usually) the case with them.Cordoban Addick said:Can't we just sign the best centre half and best defensive midfielder going who is league 1 or lower and is also under 21.
Our transfer kitty must be reasonable.2 -
Is this salary cap a permanent fixture or just until COVID is over?1
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Permanent. Going to make things even more tricky next season if you have Derby and Sheffield Wednesday down here.ValleyGary said:Is this salary cap a permanent fixture or just until COVID is over?0 -
The screw is turned again for next season. It gets harder, smaller squad numbers.ValleyGary said:Is this salary cap a permanent fixture or just until COVID is over?
Rochdale heaven. All League One clubs will be financially equal and have the same budget.
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I think it was only passed by one vote and I just think they’ll vote on it again soon enough and it’ll get scrapped.Oggy Red said:
The screw is turned again for next season. It gets harder, smaller squad numbers.ValleyGary said:Is this salary cap a permanent fixture or just until COVID is over?
Rochdale heaven. All League One clubs will be financially equal and have the same budget.23 -
It certainly will if Derby and Sheffield Wednesday come down. Although going on their recent past they will be exempt.mart77 said:
I think it was only passed by one vote and I just think they’ll vote on it again soon enough and it’ll get scrapped.Oggy Red said:
The screw is turned again for next season. It gets harder, smaller squad numbers.ValleyGary said:Is this salary cap a permanent fixture or just until COVID is over?
Rochdale heaven. All League One clubs will be financially equal and have the same budget.19 -
I’ve often wondered about doing this but I think Bows response was that there can be issues of players being ok now, wages wise, but then two years later you could have a headache if you don’t get promoted as they may no longer be under 21. Also I think he said that some of these young players can not only be a risk but they may also simply not want to sign for a League One team.Cordoban Addick said:Can't we just sign the best centre half and best defensive midfielder going who is league 1 or lower and is also under 21.
Our transfer kitty must be reasonable.All that said I’d still like us to give this approach a go and think we will if it’s the right player.1 - Sponsored links:
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Depending on who goes up as well, as if the promoted teams are the "big ones" that'll cancel out getting big teams relegatedRedrobo said:
It certainly will if Derby and Sheffield Wednesday come down. Although going on their recent past they will be exempt.mart77 said:
I think it was only passed by one vote and I just think they’ll vote on it again soon enough and it’ll get scrapped.Oggy Red said:
The screw is turned again for next season. It gets harder, smaller squad numbers.ValleyGary said:Is this salary cap a permanent fixture or just until COVID is over?
Rochdale heaven. All League One clubs will be financially equal and have the same budget.1 -
Will there be a vote on this salary cap yearly? Or how does it work if a number of clubs want to get this over turned.
Stupid stupid rule.2 -
So... one year on the first team doing well and then we sell him for 1/2 of what we should and no sell-on clause? Or do we let him leave on a free?DOUCHER said:Harry Beadle is the next off the conveyor belt - trust me, he's taken a while to come to the boil but he is gonna be the next one into the first team and he will be a fans favourite - the boy is a 100%er and along with his brother James in goal, will be the backbone of our team for years to come - COYR!!!!!
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The salary cap is a nice idea in theory, making it more of a level playing field and trying to curb excess spending and silly wages, but when has life been a level playing field and since when do people doing the same job in similar companies get paid the same, or rather have their salary capped?
Imagine City brokers being told your salaries are being capped at x and the exceptional ones end up being paid the same as crap ones? And isn’t it somehow a restraint of trade or something?
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I think the salary cap will either be altered to be fairer dependent on the club as in % of turnover like it was before or something along those lines and it’ll be upped to a higher amount, or be scrapped altogether.
Pretty sure they will have another vote on this in the summer as it was rushed through in the first place without any real thought, and the consequences on trade for players across the pyramid will likely outweigh the benefits of this cap.
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I always felt is should be a percentage of revenue. What's the point of growing your fanbase, commercial activities or academy if all you can do is put the money in a bank?
Football is a sport but also a business it makes no sense to stunt ambition or to not reward good business and football strategy.
Never-mind the restriction of wages for the player themselves. I'm surprised the PFA didn't ever push harder or take action for its members. Look at Johnny Williams & Jason Pearce, both higher earners at this level neither will equal their current contract and because of the cap Gallen & Bows will likely make a decision on their future based on the wage cap impact as much as the football.
Hopefully pressure will grow now it's causing the Championship clubs issues. I'm sure I read this current agreement would last two years?1 -
The PFA wouldn’t care, as long as Gordon Taylor is getting his 2m a year and has a Constable or whatever on his Office wall then he’s happy.
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The trouble with linking the cap to revenue or turnover etc. is people can then game the system - e.g. Derby and Sheff Weds. An absolute cap on total spend is the easiest way to create a water tight rule that teams have to adhere to.Like a lot of situations in life - we can't have nice things as someone will always find a loop hole to act with in the letter of the law rather than the spirit of it.0
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Which is why relegation last season was so bad for us. Just like getting relegated from the Premiership just as the big money started to roll in. We really know how to fuck ourselves don't we. A single goal in one of our last 6 games would have kept us up. Or not letting it last minute goals against Birmingham or Sheff Wed. Agent Bowyer.Oggy Red said:
The screw is turned again for next season. It gets harder, smaller squad numbers.ValleyGary said:Is this salary cap a permanent fixture or just until COVID is over?
Rochdale heaven. All League One clubs will be financially equal and have the same budget.
I really feel we could be stuck in this division for a number of years. Unless you either spend loads of money on U21's(like that young lad from Rochdale) and restrict you big wages on just a handful of very good older players. Or rely on the Academy instead of hoovering up other clubs youngsters (and then spend big on a few players as above). Or sod the cap & fight it in court.2 -
Or even worse, a City firm paying a trainee straight from College 3x what a 40 year old experienced bloke is getting. Just wouldn't happen. Football must be the only industry where someone with no experience can get paid houndreds of thousands more than someone who has been doing the job for years. If that happened anywhere else the Unions would he going bonkers. I wonder what the PFA are doing about it...?LargeAddick said:The salary cap is a nice idea in theory, making it more of a level playing field and trying to curb excess spending and silly wages, but when has life been a level playing field and since when do people doing the same job in similar companies get paid the same, or rather have their salary capped?
Imagine City brokers being told your salaries are being capped at x and the exceptional ones end up being paid the same as crap ones? And isn’t it somehow a restraint of trade or something?
FWIW......the salary cap is a good idea in theory but should be measured against income. But no - everyone is treated the same, regardless of what money they have. Imagine Man U only being able to spend the same amount as Brighton or Bournemouth.5 - Sponsored links:
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Thing is, we thought that with Gilbey. On paper it ticked the boxes but he isn’t good enough for a side chasing promotionCordoban Addick said:Can't we just sign the best centre half and best defensive midfielder going who is league 1 or lower and is also under 21.
Our transfer kitty must be reasonable.0 -
David Davies anyone? Just been released by Birmingham. No didn't think so.17
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It was 60% of turnover (55% in League 2) until this season.Maccn05 said:I always felt is should be a percentage of revenue. What's the point of growing your fanbase, commercial activities or academy if all you can do is put the money in a bank?
Football is a sport but also a business it makes no sense to stunt ambition or to not reward good business and football strategy.
Never-mind the restriction of wages for the player themselves. I'm surprised the PFA didn't ever push harder or take action for its members. Look at Johnny Williams & Jason Pearce, both higher earners at this level neither will equal their current contract and because of the cap Gallen & Bows will likely make a decision on their future based on the wage cap impact as much as the football.
Hopefully pressure will grow now it's causing the Championship clubs issues. I'm sure I read this current agreement would last two years?
On Pearce I’d release him in the summer and get in a longer term replacement, he’s 34 next season.5 -
mart77 said:
I think it was only passed by one vote and I just think they’ll vote on it again soon enough and it’ll get scrapped.Oggy Red said:
The screw is turned again for next season. It gets harder, smaller squad numbers.ValleyGary said:Is this salary cap a permanent fixture or just until COVID is over?
Rochdale heaven. All League One clubs will be financially equal and have the same budget.
Agreed...it will get reviewed and either amended or stopped. It clearly is not working exactly as intended.0 -
I think the EPL bail out might be the way out of it with admitting it was wrong in the first place. Take the grant and a cap applies, don't and it doesn't.WHAddick said:mart77 said:
I think it was only passed by one vote and I just think they’ll vote on it again soon enough and it’ll get scrapped.Oggy Red said:
The screw is turned again for next season. It gets harder, smaller squad numbers.ValleyGary said:Is this salary cap a permanent fixture or just until COVID is over?
Rochdale heaven. All League One clubs will be financially equal and have the same budget.
Agreed...it will get reviewed and either amended or stopped. It clearly is not working exactly as intended.
Yes it's an uneven playing field but you can still only spend money you have got, I can't see commercial borrowing being an issue. Who is going to lend money in the current climate?0 -
Anyway, I have found away round the cap.
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As this appears to be the salary cap thread...
The whole annoying thing is the amount, like where did £2k come from? Surely they must have looked at the lowest budget teams in the league and gone with that. It doesn't work full stop.
The worst thing is it plays into the Premier League and Championship hands, the gap will get wider for those coming up and then a drastic change for any going down to league one. Add to that younger players and the best players for each team will want to move on mostly as thats what footballers do see the pot of gold and run for it while they can, you cant blame them in that respect but noone will be able to hold onto their wonderkids regardless of this over 21 rule.
Fingers crossed its scrapped all together or at worst they raise it, but its the EFL i wont hold my breathe.2 -
If those in charge at the club think the salary cap is unfair, then they should tell the EFL they are prepared to challenge it in the courts.7
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Or find 12 other clubs to support their POV and propose a motion and vote on it. Its not the EFL's rule, its the members' rule.Fortune 82nd Minute said:If those in charge at the club think the salary cap is unfair, then they should tell the EFL they are prepared to challenge it in the courts.2 -
johnnybev1987 said:As this appears to be the salary cap thread...
The whole annoying thing is the amount, like where did £2k come from? Surely they must have looked at the lowest budget teams in the league and gone with that. It doesn't work full stop.
The worst thing is it plays into the Premier League and Championship hands, the gap will get wider for those coming up and then a drastic change for any going down to league one. Add to that younger players and the best players for each team will want to move on mostly as thats what footballers do see the pot of gold and run for it while they can, you cant blame them in that respect but noone will be able to hold onto their wonderkids regardless of this over 21 rule.
Fingers crossed its scrapped all together or at worst they raise it, but its the EFL i wont hold my breathe.
And that adds to the argument to at least amend it, if not scrap it. The L1/L2 clubs aren't going to want to lose their young players too cheaply. Obviously its the end of another revenue stream. Most clubs will see its not working as intended, the only question is how long it will take.1
