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January 2021 Transfer Targets (last minute swoop for Jaiyesimi p184 - NOW it's all over.)

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  • ButtleJR
    ButtleJR Posts: 1,586
    ButtleJR said:


    Defensive midfielder? Could this be us. Also represents wales...
    On loan to Grimsby at the moment, unless they're planning on recalling him and loaning him to us. Does say on wiki that he's "fallen out of favour" there, which is slightly worrying if he's supposed to then step up to L1
    Maybe this is one of LB's "projects"
  • ButtleJR said:


    Defensive midfielder? Could this be us. Also represents wales...
    Another young player Wales have poached, in this case from Scotland!
    I thought  it was usually the other way round with Rangers the chief suspects. 
    I mean internationally
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,885
    edited January 2021
    Scoham said:
    Doesn’t sound like he’s done well at Grimsby, here’s one quote from their forum, doesn’t sound like a Bowyer midfielder at all:

    https://forum.thefishy.co.uk/Blah.pl?m-1604589617/s-20/

    Taylor not being allowed to play is a positive not a negative, he's been awful game after game, passing s terrible, shys out of tackles, can't mark and jogs behind the man he's supposed to be tracking.
    It’s ok Albie would be told to buddy him 😉.
  • RedRobin
    RedRobin Posts: 1,377
     cafcfan1990 said:
    RedRobin said:
     cafcfan1990 said:
    RedRobin said:
    This cross boarder rule has to change, teams like Rangers are able to pick these players up for pittance. 
    Why though? Players can go abroad for free so why make it any different for Scotland?
    The fact Scotland is part of the United Kingdom is why. I’m not getting into politics here but it’s a joke. Clubs like ourselves and Bournemouth develop these kids and get a quarter of the fee if they go to Scotland. If we tried the same thing we’d have to pay full, just frustrating.
    It is definitely frustrating, just not sure what you can do as it's a different football association. The problem would still be there when players were moving abroad, in fact I'm not sure you can get any compensation. Even if players move to other teams in England I am not sure the compensation is fair anyway. Especially now with the different categories, Cat 1 teams can just poach those from Cat 2 for pittance. 
    Yeah agreed, that’s the issue we’ve got and I suppose we have to get on with it, however annoying it is. 
  • J BLOCK
    J BLOCK Posts: 8,309
    ButtleJR said:
    ButtleJR said:


    Defensive midfielder? Could this be us. Also represents wales...
    On loan to Grimsby at the moment, unless they're planning on recalling him and loaning him to us. Does say on wiki that he's "fallen out of favour" there, which is slightly worrying if he's supposed to then step up to L1
    Maybe this is one of LB's "projects"
    Bowyer hasn't got the time to work on a project as things stand. 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    J BLOCK said:
    ButtleJR said:
    ButtleJR said:


    Defensive midfielder? Could this be us. Also represents wales...
    On loan to Grimsby at the moment, unless they're planning on recalling him and loaning him to us. Does say on wiki that he's "fallen out of favour" there, which is slightly worrying if he's supposed to then step up to L1
    Maybe this is one of LB's "projects"
    Bowyer hasn't got the time to work on a project as things stand. 
    Probably not, but if he had signed or lined up some "projects" instead of, or as well as, the players he did sign it could/would/should be viewed differently. 
  • ButtleJR
    ButtleJR Posts: 1,586
    J BLOCK said:
    ButtleJR said:
    ButtleJR said:


    Defensive midfielder? Could this be us. Also represents wales...
    On loan to Grimsby at the moment, unless they're planning on recalling him and loaning him to us. Does say on wiki that he's "fallen out of favour" there, which is slightly worrying if he's supposed to then step up to L1
    Maybe this is one of LB's "projects"
    Bowyer hasn't got the time to work on a project as things stand. 
    Agreed. 
  • Do we even know it's us in for him?

    Or have we just taken a journo's message and assumed we're the only club in league one after a midfielder?
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,885
    Do we even know it's us in for him?

    Or have we just taken a journo's message and assumed we're the only club in league one after a midfielder?
    Of course we don’t, what’s that got to do with the price of eggs 😏.
  • Taxi_Lad
    Taxi_Lad Posts: 3,766
    What type of parents call their kids Terry in this millennium 🤷🏻‍♂️
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  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728



    Looks like signing that 6th striker was much more important than proper defensive cover. 

    Season is over. 
    Essentially he is saying Pearce and Oshilaja are good enough quality backup players.

    I disagree, we might have numbers at CB but they're not good enough to get us promoted. We need to be able to replace Innis and Famewo with similar quality and we can't.
    When Inniss and Famewo are fit, we could well have sufficient cover - if they stay fit. But the games we play before they get fit, given where we are now are key to the season. Even if it is a loan, we need to address this issue urgently. Even if it is only needed for a month.
  • Taxi_Lad said:
    What type of parents call their kids Terry in this millennium 🤷🏻‍♂️
    Big fans of our former player Terry Naylor  :)
  • esseffect
    esseffect Posts: 493
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  • KiwiValley
    KiwiValley Posts: 3,379
    Into the palm of the Anagram Soothsayer i dropped a one game subscription to Valley Pass, and she said: 

    "Terry Taylor ... Rarely To Try"

    She then spat on the head of a  passing rat and cackled while scratching her groin.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,989



    Looks like signing that 6th striker was much more important than proper defensive cover. 

    Season is over. 
    Essentially he is saying Pearce and Oshilaja are good enough quality backup players.

    I disagree, we might have numbers at CB but they're not good enough to get us promoted. We need to be able to replace Innis and Famewo with similar quality and we can't.
    When Inniss and Famewo are fit, we could well have sufficient cover - if they stay fit. But the games we play before they get fit, given where we are now are key to the season. Even if it is a loan, we need to address this issue urgently. Even if it is only needed for a month.
    Loans are now full season or half season (aren't they?)
    How many good centre halves are going to want to join Charlton with the notion that they may only play half a dozen games and then sit on our bench for a couple of months?
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600



    Looks like signing that 6th striker was much more important than proper defensive cover. 

    Season is over. 
    Essentially he is saying Pearce and Oshilaja are good enough quality backup players.

    I disagree, we might have numbers at CB but they're not good enough to get us promoted. We need to be able to replace Innis and Famewo with similar quality and we can't.
    When Inniss and Famewo are fit, we could well have sufficient cover - if they stay fit. But the games we play before they get fit, given where we are now are key to the season. Even if it is a loan, we need to address this issue urgently. Even if it is only needed for a month.
    Loans are now full season or half season (aren't they?)
    How many good centre halves are going to want to join Charlton with the notion that they may only play half a dozen games and then sit on our bench for a couple of months?
    The most games Innis has ever played in a season is 22 and Famewo 10.  It's highly unlikely, even if they were back tomorrow, that they would both play the 22 odd games we have left.  It would be prudent to assume at least of them won't be available most of most of the rest of the season.

    Plus the competition for places, if Bowyer ever selected Pearce ahead of either of them......... 
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811



    Looks like signing that 6th striker was much more important than proper defensive cover. 

    Season is over. 
    Essentially he is saying Pearce and Oshilaja are good enough quality backup players.

    I disagree, we might have numbers at CB but they're not good enough to get us promoted. We need to be able to replace Innis and Famewo with similar quality and we can't.
    When Inniss and Famewo are fit, we could well have sufficient cover - if they stay fit. But the games we play before they get fit, given where we are now are key to the season. Even if it is a loan, we need to address this issue urgently. Even if it is only needed for a month.
    Loans are now full season or half season (aren't they?)
    How many good centre halves are going to want to join Charlton with the notion that they may only play half a dozen games and then sit on our bench for a couple of months?
    Not sure it's as straightforward as that though. You'll always get injuries (Inniss' record isn't great) plus a lot of fixtures. Lots of football to be played, I don't think it would be particularly difficult to persuade someone to join. 
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,954
    Why not sign a young U21 CB as a project?

    He can be thrown straight into the 1st team, blamed by Bowyer, villified by the fanbase and banished to the u23s.
    Everyone will then be saying how good Pearce is and Bowyer was wrong to drop him.  :smile:

     
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Oggy Red said:
    Why not sign a young U21 CB as a project?

     
    Is exactly what we should have done in September.  Almost zero chance Pearce or Oshilaja will be here next season. 
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    Chunes said:
    MattF said:
    That's a shame. Useful squad player. But I suppose if we're sticking with a 4-4-2 then a more natural RM might be a better shout. 
    This.

    He has pace and skill and worked well up top for a while, but not in either of our 442 variants as a winger or as a wing back in a 3-5-2
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  • dmjn
    dmjn Posts: 226
    Bostock signed for Doncaster 
  • RC_CAFC
    RC_CAFC Posts: 1,754
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Oggy Red said:
    Why not sign a young U21 CB as a project?

     
    Is exactly what we should have done in September.  Almost zero chance Pearce or Oshilaja will be here next season. 
    You mean in those 10 days we had to sign an entire team? 

    No one was really concerned at the start of the season that Deji and Pearce weren’t good enough to be league 1 back ups for a season in league 1 and in those 10 days they did outstandingly to bring in 2 quality centre backs.

    This is why we need to give Bowyer and Gallen more time and respect to get the squad together they want. They physically couldn’t have done more in the time they were given.
  • dmjn
    dmjn Posts: 226
    dmjn said:
    Bostock signed for Doncaster 
    Weren't we after him last year ?
    He's been one of those names floating about for the past 12/18 months 
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,347
    edited January 2021
    RC_CAFC said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Oggy Red said:
    Why not sign a young U21 CB as a project?

     
    Is exactly what we should have done in September.  Almost zero chance Pearce or Oshilaja will be here next season. 
    You mean in those 10 days we had to sign an entire team? 

    No one was really concerned at the start of the season that Deji and Pearce weren’t good enough to be league 1 back ups for a season in league 1 and in those 10 days they did outstandingly to bring in 2 quality centre backs.

    Oh I said it and a few agreed but you are right that the majority didn't. I don't know how anyone watched Pearce last season and thought he could do a job above league two. 
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,330
    Chunes said:
    RC_CAFC said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Oggy Red said:
    Why not sign a young U21 CB as a project?

     
    Is exactly what we should have done in September.  Almost zero chance Pearce or Oshilaja will be here next season. 
    You mean in those 10 days we had to sign an entire team? 

    No one was really concerned at the start of the season that Deji and Pearce weren’t good enough to be league 1 back ups for a season in league 1 and in those 10 days they did outstandingly to bring in 2 quality centre backs.

    Oh I said it and a few agreed but you are right that the majority didn't. I don't know how anyone watched Pearce last season and thought he could do a job above league two. 
    Yeah, I said we should have signed four forwards better than Bogle, four better defensive midfielders younger and better that both Pratley and Watson, a better goal keeper than Amos, three attacking midfielders and two faster wingers than than Doughty, but with Premiership experience. 

    Who took any notice? I’ll tell you who took any notice, bloody no one. It was obvious that if we did not do this we would struggle as soon as we got injuries and suspensions. I just have to accept that not everyone will have my insight.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Oggy Red said:
    Why not sign a young U21 CB as a project?

     
    Is exactly what we should have done in September.  Almost zero chance Pearce or Oshilaja will be here next season. 

    But its not just hindsight it is/was obvious.

    Since the takeover we had 10 days etc etc fine but since then we have signed 7 players, 6 of them have multiple year, or options to extend, contracts.  We are up to the salary cap. 

    Unless something drastic happens, either we get promoted or the salary cap gets abolished our squad for next season is

    Gunter
    Innis
    Purrington
    Morgan
    Watson
    Maddison
    Gilbey 
    Schwartz 
    Bogle
    Davison
    Washington

    Plus the league 1 average that would be freed up by Aneke, Williams, Amos, JFC, Pearce, Oshilaja and Pratley to spend.  Add in what ever Matthews is on and it still doesn't give you much to work with. 

    I don't see how you have a massive rebuild next season, as things currently stand?

    But as it's so obvious can someone explain it to me? 


  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    It’s a big rebuild because we’ll want somewhere around 18-22 or so first team players. I wouldn’t assume those with options to extend will be kept on or that no one under contract won’t be sold/loaned out either.

    Now we might have made a mistake and given some of those players big contracts, I don’t know what they’re on. There’s no doubt though that we’ll have around 20 first team players even if some of them are cheap unknowns on very low wages.

    I’d consider needing to sign around 10 players (or more) a big rebuild as that’s at least half a squad.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Scoham said:
    It’s a big rebuild because we’ll want somewhere around 18-22 or so first team players. I wouldn’t assume those with options to extend will be kept on or that no one under contract won’t be sold/loaned out either.

    Now we might have made a mistake and given some of those players big contracts, I don’t know what they’re on. There’s no doubt though that we’ll have around 20 first team players even if some of them are cheap unknowns on very low wages.

    I’d consider needing to sign around 10 players (or more) a big rebuild as that’s at least half a squad.
    We have used 31 players, so far, in the squad for league games. 
  • Swisdom
    Swisdom Posts: 14,977
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Oggy Red said:
    Why not sign a young U21 CB as a project?

     
    Is exactly what we should have done in September.  Almost zero chance Pearce or Oshilaja will be here next season. 

    But its not just hindsight it is/was obvious.

    Since the takeover we had 10 days etc etc fine but since then we have signed 7 players, 6 of them have multiple year, or options to extend, contracts.  We are up to the salary cap. 

    Unless something drastic happens, either we get promoted or the salary cap gets abolished our squad for next season is

    Gunter
    Innis
    Purrington
    Morgan
    Watson
    Maddison
    Gilbey 
    Schwartz 
    Bogle
    Davison
    Washington

    Plus the league 1 average that would be freed up by Aneke, Williams, Amos, JFC, Pearce, Oshilaja and Pratley to spend.  Add in what ever Matthews is on and it still doesn't give you much to work with. 

    I don't see how you have a massive rebuild next season, as things currently stand?

    But as it's so obvious can someone explain it to me? 


    the easiest way around this is to invest in the best younger players from League 2 and premiership loans.

    The chap at Exeter fits the bill because he would be in the correct level for wages.  We can't underestimate the appeal we, as a club, still have.  Many people want to live in and around London and we are still very much a big fish in this pond.  We CAN still attract the better players from L1 and L2 so we have to use that to our advantage.

    Lincoln have had a fantastic season thus far.  I would hope they run out of steam but their recruitment has been very astute.  They have concentrated on younger players and have forged  a great togetherness and that's critical to getting out of this division.  We could do a lot worse than looking at their model.

    If we don't go up we need to act immediately at the end of the season.  For so many years we are chasing the leftovers and clearly we don't get best value with them.  We need to clear the decks of the unwanted players and we need to make signings straight away so that when we start pre season we have a full squad from day one that is young and bristling with potential with a few older, wiser heads thrown in.