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January 2021 Transfer Targets (last minute swoop for Jaiyesimi p184 - NOW it's all over.)
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We have to assume that Bogle going means at least one more, maybe two are coming in.0
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I’m hopeful but I’m not making that assumption. Bogle was always going to leave once we had signed Stockley. It was just the in before the out because we had to move fast.MuttleyCAFC said:We have to assume that Bogle going means at least one more, maybe two are coming in.
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We didn’t have to get rid of Lapslie now though. He wasn’t counting towards the cap so I am slightly surprised we got rid now, rather than seeing if his good form at Mansfield continued. Bowyer probably liked him as a person but clearly didn’t think he could play a part in League 1 next season either.thewolfboy said:Booting out Lapslie, Smyth & Bogle indicates how tough it is to be a football manager. Gotta be a tough nut. I expect Bowyer liked all three of them, especially Lapslie.1 -
Lapo wanted the move, he wanted to play as much as possible and he was getting to play in a more advanced role at Mansfield. I suspect he'll look really good for the rest of the season there and put himself in the shop window for a move back up to League 1 with somewhere closer to London/SE England in the next couple of years.cafcfan1990 said:
We didn’t have to get rid of Lapslie now though. He wasn’t counting towards the cap so I am slightly surprised we got rid now, rather than seeing if his good form at Mansfield continued. Bowyer probably liked him as a person but clearly didn’t think he could play a part in League 1 next season either.thewolfboy said:Booting out Lapslie, Smyth & Bogle indicates how tough it is to be a football manager. Gotta be a tough nut. I expect Bowyer liked all three of them, especially Lapslie.2 -
Yes, but he could have dug in and refused to go so it would have been a risk signing Stockley until he went. That is why I think this must be to free up room for a different signing/s.cafcfan1990 said:
I’m hopeful but I’m not making that assumption. Bogle was always going to leave once we had signed Stockley. It was just the in before the out because we had to move fast.MuttleyCAFC said:We have to assume that Bogle going means at least one more, maybe two are coming in.3 -
For What It's Worth which in this instance is very little, just my own personal opinion.mendonca said:
What does FWIW mean? Guesswork or some info?LargeAddick said:FWIW I think Randall will sign.1 -
At the end of the day, if Gilbey and Maddison were to play to their obvious full ability, and Schwartz could get fully fit, apart from defence cover, I honestly do not feel the need for any other players, but what is the chance of that?2
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Unless we're paying nothing for Famewo he does count against the cap.Sage said:
Famewo doesn’t count in the cap.Dazzler21 said:
It would be useful if we could do that with Shinnie, but I can't see it happening or being legal.Bolderhumphreyreid said:Is there a way of signing Shinnie on a permanent deal in order to free up a load space?
As i understand it Luton are paying the majority of his wages so could we possibly buy him from them and then they give him some dough to be used as wages until the end of the season.
I'm assuming he's out of contract at the end of the season?
I'm all confused!!!
We need to free up a bit more salary if we want a decent, experienced player in though... (the below is total assumption on salaries, but weirdly fits about right!)
The cap is £48,076.92 a week or £2.5m a year, I make it that if Bogle was on £3k a week we have about £1k a week to play with if we're paying £2k a week for using Stockley.
(Some loans may be cheaper - Famewo and Shinnie prime examples, some Perms may be overestimated too!)
We’re not paying anywhere near that for Shinnie.
He was born in 1998 and the cut off point for u21s are players born on 01/01/1999 onwards.
https://www.cafc.co.uk/news/view/5fed99b19589d/how-the-salary-cap-works
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It was said some time ago, Steve Gallen, maybe? ........ that Famewo costs us £1,300pw, which was the maximum we were permitted to pay during our ESI 'hard embargo' in September, compared to the 'soft embargo' that we were given from last January.Scoham said:
Unless we're paying nothing for Famewo he does count against the cap.Sage said:
Famewo doesn’t count in the cap.Dazzler21 said:
It would be useful if we could do that with Shinnie, but I can't see it happening or being legal.Bolderhumphreyreid said:Is there a way of signing Shinnie on a permanent deal in order to free up a load space?
As i understand it Luton are paying the majority of his wages so could we possibly buy him from them and then they give him some dough to be used as wages until the end of the season.
I'm assuming he's out of contract at the end of the season?
I'm all confused!!!
We need to free up a bit more salary if we want a decent, experienced player in though... (the below is total assumption on salaries, but weirdly fits about right!)
The cap is £48,076.92 a week or £2.5m a year, I make it that if Bogle was on £3k a week we have about £1k a week to play with if we're paying £2k a week for using Stockley.
(Some loans may be cheaper - Famewo and Shinnie prime examples, some Perms may be overestimated too!)
We’re not paying anywhere near that for Shinnie.
He was born in 1998 and the cut off point for u21s are players born on 01/01/1999 onwards.
https://www.cafc.co.uk/news/view/5fed99b19589d/how-the-salary-cap-works
Now whether there has been any change in the amount we now pay Famewo, I don't know.
But I should think the player's Norwich contract pays more that and Norwich pay the difference.
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But he already had the move. I don’t think he pushed to leave at all personally.sam3110 said:
Lapo wanted the move, he wanted to play as much as possible and he was getting to play in a more advanced role at Mansfield. I suspect he'll look really good for the rest of the season there and put himself in the shop window for a move back up to League 1 with somewhere closer to London/SE England in the next couple of years.cafcfan1990 said:
We didn’t have to get rid of Lapslie now though. He wasn’t counting towards the cap so I am slightly surprised we got rid now, rather than seeing if his good form at Mansfield continued. Bowyer probably liked him as a person but clearly didn’t think he could play a part in League 1 next season either.thewolfboy said:Booting out Lapslie, Smyth & Bogle indicates how tough it is to be a football manager. Gotta be a tough nut. I expect Bowyer liked all three of them, especially Lapslie.0 -
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Maybe. Together with Smyth leaving we might be able to squeeze one more over 21.MuttleyCAFC said:
Yes, but he could have dug in and refused to go so it would have been a risk signing Stockley until he went. That is why I think this must be to free up room for a different signing/s.cafcfan1990 said:
I’m hopeful but I’m not making that assumption. Bogle was always going to leave once we had signed Stockley. It was just the in before the out because we had to move fast.MuttleyCAFC said:We have to assume that Bogle going means at least one more, maybe two are coming in.0 -
I've got a question regarding the wage cap. It's probably been answered somewhere else.
For argument sake let's use Plymouth player Luke Jephcott and let's assume his contract runs out June 2022. Say he is currently on 6k a week, a figure agreed before the changes in wage cap. Then they wanted to extend his contract until 2025 on his current pay of 6k a week, but it would mean it would push Plymouths annual budget outside the 2.5m pay cap, would he then have to take a pay cut?
Of course this is all hypothetical, but will there will be lots players taking forced pay cuts?0 -
No you can't force players to take pay cuts. In the example you gave, if Plymouth went above the cap, they will either have to offload players, negotiate new contracts with lower wages or they will face sanctions.PopIcon said:I've got a question regarding the wage cap. It's probably been answered somewhere else.
For argument sake let's use Plymouth player Luke Jephcott and let's assume his contract runs out June 2022. Say he is currently on 6k a week, a figure agreed before the changes in wage cap. Then they wanted to extend his contract until 2025 on his current pay of 6k a week, but it would mean it would push Plymouths annual budget outside the 2.5m pay cap, would he then have to take a pay cut?
Of course this is all hypothetical, but will there will be lots players taking forced pay cuts?
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When when the contract ends they will be forced to leave as Plymouth wouldn't be able match their current contact?cafcfan1990 said:
No you can't force players to take pay cuts. In the example you gave, if Plymouth went above the cap, they will either have to offload players, negotiate new contracts with lower wages or they will face sanctions.PopIcon said:I've got a question regarding the wage cap. It's probably been answered somewhere else.
For argument sake let's use Plymouth player Luke Jephcott and let's assume his contract runs out June 2022. Say he is currently on 6k a week, a figure agreed before the changes in wage cap. Then they wanted to extend his contract until 2025 on his current pay of 6k a week, but it would mean it would push Plymouths annual budget outside the 2.5m pay cap, would he then have to take a pay cut?
Of course this is all hypothetical, but will there will be lots players taking forced pay cuts?0 -
Correct. It's a farcePopIcon said:
When when the contract ends they will be forced to leave as Plymouth wouldn't be able match their current contact?cafcfan1990 said:
No you can't force players to take pay cuts. In the example you gave, if Plymouth went above the cap, they will either have to offload players, negotiate new contracts with lower wages or they will face sanctions.PopIcon said:I've got a question regarding the wage cap. It's probably been answered somewhere else.
For argument sake let's use Plymouth player Luke Jephcott and let's assume his contract runs out June 2022. Say he is currently on 6k a week, a figure agreed before the changes in wage cap. Then they wanted to extend his contract until 2025 on his current pay of 6k a week, but it would mean it would push Plymouths annual budget outside the 2.5m pay cap, would he then have to take a pay cut?
Of course this is all hypothetical, but will there will be lots players taking forced pay cuts?1 -
Yeah I suppose so. Stay on lower terms or leave for a better offer. The best players from League 1 will undoutedbly get Championship moves, players dropping down from the Prem or Championship will have to take larger cuts than previously. Just look at this season, Gunter and Watson took cuts to join us.PopIcon said:
When when the contract ends they will be forced to leave as Plymouth wouldn't be able match their current contact?cafcfan1990 said:
No you can't force players to take pay cuts. In the example you gave, if Plymouth went above the cap, they will either have to offload players, negotiate new contracts with lower wages or they will face sanctions.PopIcon said:I've got a question regarding the wage cap. It's probably been answered somewhere else.
For argument sake let's use Plymouth player Luke Jephcott and let's assume his contract runs out June 2022. Say he is currently on 6k a week, a figure agreed before the changes in wage cap. Then they wanted to extend his contract until 2025 on his current pay of 6k a week, but it would mean it would push Plymouths annual budget outside the 2.5m pay cap, would he then have to take a pay cut?
Of course this is all hypothetical, but will there will be lots players taking forced pay cuts?0 -
Indeed it is. And it's only getting worse as I believe the wage cap next season is £2m (iirc).Dazzler21 said:
Correct. It's a farcePopIcon said:
When when the contract ends they will be forced to leave as Plymouth wouldn't be able match their current contact?cafcfan1990 said:
No you can't force players to take pay cuts. In the example you gave, if Plymouth went above the cap, they will either have to offload players, negotiate new contracts with lower wages or they will face sanctions.PopIcon said:I've got a question regarding the wage cap. It's probably been answered somewhere else.
For argument sake let's use Plymouth player Luke Jephcott and let's assume his contract runs out June 2022. Say he is currently on 6k a week, a figure agreed before the changes in wage cap. Then they wanted to extend his contract until 2025 on his current pay of 6k a week, but it would mean it would push Plymouths annual budget outside the 2.5m pay cap, would he then have to take a pay cut?
Of course this is all hypothetical, but will there will be lots players taking forced pay cuts?
All players signed before the cap, especially if the club was in the Championship (like us) will just see all those players leave. We then have to rebuild trying to sign players on c£2k per week or players U21.
It will a race to the bottom. Unless someone takes it to Court......or clubs vote it down next season.3 -
Whilst i think most people on here would agree we need another centre back i think we've had a good window so far.
OUTS:
Doughty (didn't want to sign a new deal, injured for months anyway)
Lapslie (well liked but probably ultimately not at the level we aspire to be)
Bogle (not good enough)
Smyth (decent squad player but not our decision that QPR wanted to recall him)
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Millar (promising start, one of our better players this month)
Schwartz (needed an extra striker, just need to ensure we get him some service)
Stockley (definite upgrade on Bogle)
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Yep, I agree.Chris_from_Sidcup said:Whilst i think most people on here would agree we need another centre back i think we've had a good window so far.
OUTS:
Doughty (didn't want to sign a new deal, injured for months anyway)
Lapslie (well liked but probably ultimately not at the level we aspire to be)
Bogle (not good enough)
Smyth (decent squad player but not our decision that QPR wanted to recall him)
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Millar (promising start, one of our better players this month)
Schwartz (needed an extra striker, just need to ensure we get him some service)
Stockley (definite upgrade on Bogle)1 -
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So if the cap is being reduced by 20% this becomes a bigger window than before because we need to use that extra 20% to get players in before the reduction next season .
Players who are all on bigger contracts won’t all just be able to up sticks and get a championship gig on their higher wages , plenty will have to take reduced terms in League One , plenty will get rumped .
I don’t see how we’re gonna get promoted with the wage cap , cost of living around London compared to northern shithole where a player will get more bang for their buck won’t help either .
With a more even playing field then the best managers/coaches will be the winners or the teams who are relegated who may be able to hang on to some of their better players .
for the record imo it’s promotion this season or we need an abolition of the wage cap because it’s gonna require a huge improvement from what we get out of our players to get promotion in next season with so little wiggle room in the wage cap .5 -
They'll be a change to it, particularly when Championship players have overloaded their squads with average players and need to offload their wages but can't due to the cap1
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Some of the sides in the championship relegation battle , the likes of Derby, Sheffield Wednesday and Forest would massively struggle to get anywhere near the cap.BigRedEvil said:They'll be a change to it, particularly when Championship players have overloaded their squads with average players and need to offload their wages but can't due to the cap
I just can't see how the cap can last past this season after the Championship threw it out as an idea, the PFA will get involved along with the bigger clubs hopefully.4 -
I don’t remember anything about the cap being reduced to £2m, as far as I know the only change in future seasons are squad sizes being reduced.
https://footballleaguefc.com/league-one-and-league-two-squad-salary-cap-all-you-need-to-know/Are there any Squad size limits in place?
League One and League Two clubs will be limited their squad size to 22 players for the 2020/21 season.
This will be reduced to 21 and 20 in subsequent seasons (2021/22 and 2022/23 season respectively).
Players aged under the age of 20 are exempt from these restriction
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I thought I'd seen something about size limits on squads. That's going to make things even tougher for free agents.Scoham said:I don’t remember anything about the cap being reduced to £2m, as far as I know the only change in future seasons are squad sizes being reduced.
https://footballleaguefc.com/league-one-and-league-two-squad-salary-cap-all-you-need-to-know/Are there any Squad size limits in place?
League One and League Two clubs will be limited their squad size to 22 players for the 2020/21 season.
This will be reduced to 21 and 20 in subsequent seasons (2021/22 and 2022/23 season respectively).
Players aged under the age of 20 are exempt from these restriction
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I even question if we need an actual Centre-Back (despite having been a firm caller for one myself all winter) - Is it the actual defence thats been the problem, or is it a bit like when you need a solid defence to protect the Goalkeeper, you also need a decent player in front of the defenceChris_from_Sidcup said:Whilst i think most people on here would agree we need another centre back i think we've had a good window so far.
OUTS:
Doughty (didn't want to sign a new deal, injured for months anyway)
Lapslie (well liked but probably ultimately not at the level we aspire to be)
Bogle (not good enough)
Smyth (decent squad player but not our decision that QPR wanted to recall him)
INS:
Millar (promising start, one of our better players this month)
Schwartz (needed an extra striker, just need to ensure we get him some service)
Stockley (definite upgrade on Bogle)
Both Pratley and Watson are decent enough in most games but in enough their age has been against them1 -
This cap is farce,TS would willingly cover a wage bill of £5m p.a.totally unfair,and just playing into the hands of the smaller clubs who now compete on level terms with the larger clubs.You could envisage,Lincon,Accrington,Doncaster going up(no disrespect to these clubs)Derby Sheff Wed,Forest coming down,and then be stuck with a wage cap.So thats them stuffed,complete player clear out.Eventually league 1 will become stronger than the Championship.Also if players can only earn 1.5 to 2k per week(I know its a fare wage but not for ever)how many will just not bother wlth being a full time pro if they can earn say 50k a year and also play part time.It will not be worth committing to a short term career with all the pitfalls involved(Injuries ,moving about).2
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The cap has to go. It’s a joke and even more so when the Championship completely disregarded it. They rushed it through at the beginning with no thought, all because they were thinking about what we could do to make it look like we are trying to protect our clubs in the lower divisions.
The limit on the cap is ridiculous, when you know it factors in absolutely everything. Then they’re restricting the number of players you can actually have in the squad above a certain age which is too young.
You’re going to have so many players out of contract who want a club, and a club wants them, but they simply cannot sign for anyone because of the cap.
It’s a restriction of trade and I just don’t see how they can continue with it. Too many are now against it when they were likely the ones who voted for it in the first place.
It only went through by one vote. I just can’t see it being here next season.35 -
But...when is the next vote for the cap to remain or take a temporary holiday? Is there even one? If not, we are just guessing that it will magically be nulled, and in writing it states things are to get stricter next season.1
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@sage is there an official list somewhere of who voted yes/no for this wage cap in League 1?Sage said:The cap has to go. It’s a joke and even more so when the Championship completely disregarded it. They rushed it through at the beginning with no thought, all because they were thinking about what we could do to make it look like we are trying to protect our clubs in the lower divisions.
The limit on the cap is ridiculous, when you know it factors in absolutely everything. Then they’re restricting the number of players you can actually have in the squad above a certain age which is too young.
You’re going to have so many players out of contract who want a club, and a club wants them, but they simply cannot sign for anyone because of the cap.
It’s a restriction of trade and I just don’t see how they can continue with it. Too many are now against it when they were likely the ones who voted for it in the first place.
It only went through by one vote. I just can’t see it being here next season.0
