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January 2021 Transfer Targets (last minute swoop for Jaiyesimi p184 - NOW it's all over.)
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That’s a massive disservice to Williams, he’s never shied away from doing the dirty work and he’s certainly not the sort of person who thinks of himself as high and mighty.ForeverAddickted said:
Exactly a flair player is someone who is skillful with the balladdick1956 said:
Doughty isn't a flair player is he . He is about pace alone mostly.ForeverAddickted said:
What about Doughty and Gallagher then?addick1956 said:
One swallow does not a summer make.Scoham said:
Is Millar not a flair player?addick1956 said:
Or why he can't manager or use flair players who make games interesting . One minute people are saying how piss poor League 1 is and the next minute they are happy that the flair players are being flogged off. Lately I have been bored by this never ending defensive stance and demands that players do duties ill fitting them.MuttleyCAFC said:Williams does not count towards the cap under his current contract so doesn't make sense to let him go. Might be an idea for Bowyer to figure out why a club at a higher level is interested.
However I am fed up with Williams' constant falling over when blown one by an opponent .
I don't know what to make of this news. 25 appearances this season apparently.
Fosu
Williams
Maddison
None greatest at a tackle but is that always necessary.
Or Lyle Taylor...
Bowyer being unable to work with flair players is a myth - the difference is he sets his teams up to all work, those who dont, dont play...
Gallagher is a midfield player who is box to box and can pass well. He also likes a tackle.
Maddison and Fosu and Williams are flair type players.
Gallagher and Aribo were perfect examples of players who could run with it, pass or shoot
The difference being is those two could do it with consistent results at the right end whilst also putting in a shit at the other
Maddison | Fosu | Williams have all thought they're too high and mighty to do the dirty work, doesnt wash down hereHe’s always been a model professional who does his best. He may have avoided jumping into tackles at some stages due to fear of injury, but even that’s changed under Bowyer. He’s regularly hassled and harried opponents despite his lack of strength, our goal against Brentford at home last season typified that.Marcus Maddison is on the other end of the spectrum.3 -
The point is, we couldn't replace Williams with somebody in Williams' bracket due to the cap. Apart from the fact we have little time to.
I know this sounds harsh, but I put Charlton above Williams' Euro place. Whatever you think of him, you have to accept that we might need him and replacing him at this time doesn't make sense.3 -
Remember there was links to Miguel Azeez in the summer but he's an out and out CM.MattF said:0 -
Depends who the replacement is.MuttleyCAFC said:The point is, we couldn't replace Williams with somebody in Williams' bracket due to the cap. Apart from the fact we have little time to.
I know this sounds harsh, but I put Charlton above Williams' Euro place. Whatever you think of him, you have to accept that we might need him and replacing him at this time doesn't make sense.0 -
But why? What does he actually bring? This is the central dilemma of Williams. He's clearly got talent but the numbers just aren't there. There's very little in the way of goals or assists.MuttleyCAFC said:The point is, we couldn't replace Williams with somebody in Williams' bracket due to the cap. Apart from the fact we have little time to.
I know this sounds harsh, but I put Charlton above Williams' Euro place. Whatever you think of him, you have to accept that we might need him and replacing him at this time doesn't make sense.1 -
Well, I might say to McCarthy, We are not the Cardiff City benevolent society. If you want him, how can you help us get promoted in return?0
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That’s my understanding.RC_CAFC said:
So you are saying that his salary counts approx £2,500 a week (the average if you divide the cap total with the number of players allowed) to us but anything over that isn’t included as his salary was sorted before the cap came in?CafcSCP said:
Williams counts as far as I’m aware but only the part up to what the cap average is for the squad. The rest is over looked by the EFL as he was already under contract.MuttleyCAFC said:Williams does not count towards the cap under his current contract so doesn't make sense to let him go. Might be an idea for Bowyer to figure out why a club at a higher level is interested.
they don’t just ignore his whole salary.
Genuinely asking as I still don’t think I have this fully worked out what does and doesn’t count in my head.1 -
Not giving much away then lolMattF said:0 -
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It's wrong. Any player that was here prior to the cap initiation will be averaged at £1,700 this season. The league average salary at the point of calculation of the cap.CafcSCP said:
That’s my understanding.RC_CAFC said:
So you are saying that his salary counts approx £2,500 a week (the average if you divide the cap total with the number of players allowed) to us but anything over that isn’t included as his salary was sorted before the cap came in?CafcSCP said:
Williams counts as far as I’m aware but only the part up to what the cap average is for the squad. The rest is over looked by the EFL as he was already under contract.MuttleyCAFC said:Williams does not count towards the cap under his current contract so doesn't make sense to let him go. Might be an idea for Bowyer to figure out why a club at a higher level is interested.
they don’t just ignore his whole salary.
Genuinely asking as I still don’t think I have this fully worked out what does and doesn’t count in my head.
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The bottom line is they are counted as being significantly cheaper than they are and the reason for this is to stop clubs falling foul of the cap due to existing contracts they can't do anything about.0
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If Williams goes we will sign Shinnie on a free on a 6 month contract.
1 loan, 1 under 21 perm.3 -
Or we have a manager who can't abide to keep flair players on the field for that long? Maddison played almost 90m against Wimbledon. People seem to have made up their minds about him though.Southbank said:Our standards have slipped so much that we think it is normal and acceptable to have key players who cannot last 90m, like Aneke, Maddison and Williams. It is not normal and you can't expect promotion with half fit players. We have got used to it because of the crap owners, time to move on.
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Who was itValiantphil said:
We bid for a Prem U23 winger on Friday (I know for a fact, but it didn’t happen.BFG94 said:No point in selling Jonny if there's no replacement. Having said that, I would keep him anyway. OK, he might not score and does not have a lot of assists to his name but he scares the hell out of opposing defenders, opening up space for others when he is on ball and winning us a lot of free-kicks. Not his fault a lot of those free-kicks are wasted.
Looks like JW will be gone Monday.2 -
They recalled him a couple of weeks ago and he looks like a very decent prospect tbf. Whether he is what we are looking for remains to be seen but he is certainly not a bad playerShrew said:0 -
He was recalled from Gillingham because he couldn't get in their team and he is good enough for us?Swisdom said:
They recalled him a couple of weeks ago and he looks like a very decent prospect tbf. Whether he is what we are looking for remains to be seen but he is certainly not a bad playerShrew said:3 -
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Because we can get another loan in and Bowyer wont have to worry about leaving a sixth loan signing out of the team each weekCAFCsayer said:
Why would we do this... Luton are paying 80% of his wages.Cafc43v3r said:If Williams goes we will sign Shinnie on a free on a 6 month contract.
1 loan, 1 under 21 perm.0 -
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If this is possible under the rules of the cap then great, I was under the impression it wasntcafcdave123 said:0 -
It's an absolute must that we bring in a decent CB, and now we need a winger of JW's calibre (tough under the cap imo) too.0
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Side note... Josh McEachran been released, worth a punt until end of the season?3
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We haven't let Williams go yet. Surely we act in our interests.0
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What time does the window shut tomorrow
Is it a 5pm or 11pm one0 -
Not really. My argument was that using goals/assists as the only metric to judge a player is too simplistic.JoshAddick said:
You can blame players around him for his lack of goal contributions but when you see Purrington has twice as many goals in 20 less games I think your argument goes out the window.cafctom said:I don’t read too much into the ‘how many goals and assists’ argument, as it’s a bit too simplistic a way of debating a player of Williams’ role.
If we had strikers that could finish better, then Williams’ assist rate would be much higher.
If Williams wasn’t left on the bench so often, then his numbers would be higher.
A player of his quality in League One is very, very rare and I think Bowyer has to take responsibility for not getting the best out of that opportunity. The team should have been built around him this season, but nope, all about Pratley.Because Ben Purrington might have scored a couple more tap-ins than Jonny Williams doesn’t mean he has been a better or more effective player for us.We know Williams has the ability - but it seems completely nullified in the way Bowyer has had us playing in the last few months.2 -
11pmForeverAddickted said:What time does the window shut tomorrow
Is it a 5pm or 11pm one1 -
Did I say he was good enough for us? He has some potential but I have questioned if someone of his age and inexperience fits the billCafc43v3r said:
He was recalled from Gillingham because he couldn't get in their team and he is good enough for us?Swisdom said:
They recalled him a couple of weeks ago and he looks like a very decent prospect tbf. Whether he is what we are looking for remains to be seen but he is certainly not a bad playerShrew said:0
