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January 2021 Transfer Targets (last minute swoop for Jaiyesimi p184 - NOW it's all over.)
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Everything hinges on what replacements we get in. No one can think that losing Williams and Maddison, with no further additions, is good business at this point of the season, surely?8
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How dare you counter negativity with positivity about our club. Disgraceful behaviour 😉BR7_addick said:
So far...JoshAddick said:So far...Lost out to Wycombe for Ofoborh
Lost out to Wigan for Solomon-Otabor
Couldn’t tempt Exeter with the Randall deal
Missed out for whatever reason with Kirk
Let go of Wiredu
Trying to get rid of Williams
Trying to get rid of Maddison
Brought in a loanee from Arsenal
Same old Charlton.
Signed Millar who’s been our best player the last few weeks.
Signed a championship striker on loan who is better than Bogle the one we got rid of.
Tempted an Arsenal loanee away from a side who’s supporters say was their best player.
Linked with several other players and still have time to sign them.6 -
It's probably not in the player or the club's interest to say much right now.golfaddick said:
Then people who know the whole story should say.ForeverAddickted said:
But thats why I dont know how people can criticise Lee when they only know half the storyDazzler21 said:
Well knowing both sides to an argument does change things.ForeverAddickted said:
Would you feel differently if you knew what Maddison had said was on public record?MuttleyCAFC said:What Bowyer said about Maddison is on public record. What Maddison has said about Bowyer isn't.
I might turn around as @Sage suggests and go "Oh okay if he's done that, that's completely unacceptable and I agree with Bowyer on this one"
Was no different when Chris Solly got vilified on here, people only had half the knowledge so he was the villain
Said it at the time, you cant go on Jury Service, hear one side of the story and then pass judgement.
I think there always has to be good reasons why a lot doesnt appear in the public domain
These sort of things are an internal matter.
Though I should imagine, it will come out in the wash eventually.
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Alternatively, the truth is he doesn't want players that bottle tackles and won't fight for their team mates.Dazzler21 said:@Rothko
Bowyer isn't the messiah, he can be criticised. Right now it looks like he's ditched some of our most creative players because they don't fit into his new negative gameplan we've seen since last January.
I hope he does well, but I simply cannot see us getting promoted when he goes on about stability and then brings in players and sells them on months later.
Plus he doesn't want players that feign injury and one that then says he's ill and then when those excuses have run out, says he's been near someone with Covid.
I'm pleased we've got a manager who wants a team willing to work for each other and not shirk their highly paid responsibilities.
Any decent manager should address the non performers, otherwise they are a manager in name only.26 -
How can anyone say Maddison has not lived up to expectations. That’s like saying Biden is a shit US President. He has hardly had a chance to show what he can do.Bowyer, spends an age trying to get him. Then gets him, and now wants him out after a handful of games. Sorry, I think the issue here is Bowyer, we all know Maddison has a talent, and if he goes, who replaces him.So Maddison out and no CB on the shopping list....... add this to the list of reasons we will be in this shit league next season.5
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Yes.ForeverAddickted said:
Well then thats their right to tell or not ... Not mine to say it on their behalfgolfaddick said:
Then people who know the whole story should say.ForeverAddickted said:
But thats why I dont know how people can criticise Lee when they only know half the storyDazzler21 said:
Well knowing both sides to an argument does change things.ForeverAddickted said:
Would you feel differently if you knew what Maddison had said was on public record?MuttleyCAFC said:What Bowyer said about Maddison is on public record. What Maddison has said about Bowyer isn't.
I might turn around as @Sage suggests and go "Oh okay if he's done that, that's completely unacceptable and I agree with Bowyer on this one"
Was no different when Chris Solly got vilified on here, people only had half the knowledge so he was the villain
Said it at the time, you cant go on Jury Service, hear one side of the story and then pass judgement.
I think there always has to be good reasons why a lot doesnt appear in the public domain
Wasnt there a comment about Dr Kish who knew about Coquelin (?) being recalled by Arsenal, didnt want his source at Sparrows Lane to get in trouble for passing on what was confidential information so "leaked" it to some Arsenal fan so they could report it as their own news.
Chris Thompson was more interested in getting the information to everyone than score a cheap exclusive.
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But neither have actually gone yet. And there's still time for more to sign. The window up til today for me was net positive (not by much, but still positive). The time to judge is once everything is done.Croydon said:Everything hinges on what replacements we get in. No one can think that losing Williams and Maddison, with no further additions, is good business at this point of the season, surely?1 -
Until then formed opinions based on what we have seen will hold, rightly or wrongly.Oggy Red said:
It's probably not in the player or the club's interest to say much right now.golfaddick said:
Then people who know the whole story should say.ForeverAddickted said:
But thats why I dont know how people can criticise Lee when they only know half the storyDazzler21 said:
Well knowing both sides to an argument does change things.ForeverAddickted said:
Would you feel differently if you knew what Maddison had said was on public record?MuttleyCAFC said:What Bowyer said about Maddison is on public record. What Maddison has said about Bowyer isn't.
I might turn around as @Sage suggests and go "Oh okay if he's done that, that's completely unacceptable and I agree with Bowyer on this one"
Was no different when Chris Solly got vilified on here, people only had half the knowledge so he was the villain
Said it at the time, you cant go on Jury Service, hear one side of the story and then pass judgement.
I think there always has to be good reasons why a lot doesnt appear in the public domain
These sort of things are an internal matter.
Though I should imagine, it will come out in the wash eventually.
Can we have a game please so we can whinge/celebrate that!1 -
Agreed it would likely be bad business. As you said it depends on if there are replacements.Croydon said:Everything hinges on what replacements we get in. No one can think that losing Williams and Maddison, with no further additions, is good business at this point of the season, surely?
So let’s wait until the end of the day before casting our assertions.
I just see the point in being riled up before everything is concluded1 -
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This is the key part for me. Don’t get me wrong, I’m happy with the rest of the window. But if Maddison and Williams leave and we don’t bring anyone else in, it just seems like every other transfer deadline day.BR7_addick said:
So far...JoshAddick said:So far...Lost out to Wycombe for Ofoborh
Lost out to Wigan for Solomon-Otabor
Couldn’t tempt Exeter with the Randall deal
Missed out for whatever reason with Kirk
Let go of Wiredu
Trying to get rid of Williams
Trying to get rid of Maddison
Brought in a loanee from Arsenal
Same old Charlton.
Signed Millar who’s been our best player the last few weeks.
Signed a championship striker on loan who is better than Bogle the one we got rid of.
Tempted an Arsenal loanee away from a side who’s supporters say was their best player.
Linked with several other players and still have time to sign them.1 -
I knew this was going to happen and that’s completely fair. I expected it. I posted it and get how people would be annoyed not sharing the whole information.
I did clearly say though that is not to be put on a public forum for all Tom, Dick, and Harry to see and read.
Cawley’s tweet backs up what I have said. The people blaming Bowyer for this is wrong. I am not going to share how I know that or why I know that. You just have to accept that’s my decision to make and to only inform you on what I am prepared to inform you about.
Okay, you can’t form a whole opinion on bits and pieces of information, you’re free to make your own assumptions and that is what you are doing. Rightly so.
But please, respect that something beyond the need of everyone to know has happened and Maddison leaving is best for everyone.
I am prepared for the stick, some may prefer me not to say anything at all. But others would like some bits of information, even if there is not a whole load of details in it. That’s what this forum is for.74 -
Exactly... I've been given plenty of information in the past by Lifers on here (I've never asked for it), but dont think much of what they've told me in confidence has been bullshit but they've always asked me to keep it to myself - Thats understandable as guess in turn they equally dont want their own sources to lose trust in them, hence why those who occasionally know the whole story wont be eager to spill the beansRichard J said:
Yes.ForeverAddickted said:
Well then thats their right to tell or not ... Not mine to say it on their behalfgolfaddick said:
Then people who know the whole story should say.ForeverAddickted said:
But thats why I dont know how people can criticise Lee when they only know half the storyDazzler21 said:
Well knowing both sides to an argument does change things.ForeverAddickted said:
Would you feel differently if you knew what Maddison had said was on public record?MuttleyCAFC said:What Bowyer said about Maddison is on public record. What Maddison has said about Bowyer isn't.
I might turn around as @Sage suggests and go "Oh okay if he's done that, that's completely unacceptable and I agree with Bowyer on this one"
Was no different when Chris Solly got vilified on here, people only had half the knowledge so he was the villain
Said it at the time, you cant go on Jury Service, hear one side of the story and then pass judgement.
I think there always has to be good reasons why a lot doesnt appear in the public domain
Wasnt there a comment about Dr Kish who knew about Coquelin (?) being recalled by Arsenal, didnt want his source at Sparrows Lane to get in trouble for passing on what was confidential information so "leaked" it to some Arsenal fan so they could report it as their own news.
Chris Thompson was more interested in getting the information to everyone than score a cheap exclusive.
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The Swindon fans regarded Smith as their best player. It was their recent new manager who came in and decided Smith didn't fit his new gameplan.FishCostaFortune said:
Agree with your first two points.BR7_addick said:
So far...JoshAddick said:So far...Lost out to Wycombe for Ofoborh
Lost out to Wigan for Solomon-Otabor
Couldn’t tempt Exeter with the Randall deal
Missed out for whatever reason with Kirk
Let go of Wiredu
Trying to get rid of Williams
Trying to get rid of Maddison
Brought in a loanee from Arsenal
Same old Charlton.
Signed Millar who’s been our best player the last few weeks.
Signed a championship striker on loan who is better than Bogle the one we got rid of.
Tempted an Arsenal loanee away from a side who’s supporters say was their best player.
Linked with several other players and still have time to sign them.
3rd point - didn't the Swindon manager want rid.
4th point - trying to get players and not getting them is not a positive. If we sign someone now who is not those 3 then we know he is was at least 4th choice.
Although as regards to other potential signings, clubs are always reluctant to lose their best player on the last day of the transfer window.
They've little time to sign a replacement.
Lord knows, over the years it's happened to us enough times.
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I'm sure you would have!addick1956 said:
What Bowyer said shouldn't have been in the public domain or even in the dressing room. That was poor management.ForeverAddickted said:
Would you feel differently if you knew what Maddison had said was on public record?MuttleyCAFC said:What Bowyer said about Maddison is on public record. What Maddison has said about Bowyer isn't.
Maddison has not done the same. I think I would have.
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Bowyer said today that we are NOT looking at bringing in any Centre Backs. None. There are non available & we have enough / sufficient replacements already.flyingkiwiDK said:Not bothered about Maddison going in the slightest. Not even bothered if Williams departs as long as we can land a decent replacement. Neither of them have lived up to their full potential since coming to Charlton.
We need CB’s. End of3 -
Weird that we haven't heard that either have gone, so am left to assume that the SMT for once are playing this clever and are insisting we must be able to replace before we release. Basically agreeing providing we can get in whatever replacement/s.
If Kirk is announced I'll still be disappointed, but I'll understand it. In form creative & physical youngster for two more experienced but less physical players.
That'd be a good deal and fit with our need for creativity and physicality.
(Please don't think I am blindly defending just Maddison - despite my feelings that Bowyer has treated Maddison and Williams appallingly in the press - It is a case of what I have seen has me concerned and people simply won't share the truth)1 -
Its a shame we're League One as was never going to happen, not to mention the links and location of the clubs they've gone togolfaddick said:
Bowyer said today that we are NOT looking at bringing in any Centre Backs. None. There are non available & we have enough / sufficient replacements already.flyingkiwiDK said:Not bothered about Maddison going in the slightest. Not even bothered if Williams departs as long as we can land a decent replacement. Neither of them have lived up to their full potential since coming to Charlton.
We need CB’s. End of
But Harwood-Bellis (Man City > Blackburn) | Mengi (Man Utd > Derby) would have been great loan signings in defence0 -
Sage I and I'm sure others thank you for the information. Ofcourse things need not be explained in the public domain the fact that you have said what you have is enough for meSage said:I knew this was going to happen and that’s completely fair. I expected it. I posted it and get how people would be annoyed not sharing the whole information.
I did clearly say though that is not to be put on a public forum for all Tom, Dick, and Harry to see and read.
Cawley’s tweet backs up what I have said. The people blaming Bowyer for this is wrong. I am not going to share how I know that or why I know that. You just have to accept that’s my decision to make and to only inform you on what I am prepared to inform you about.
Okay, you can’t form a whole opinion on bits and pieces of information, you’re free to make your own assumptions and that is what you are doing. Rightly so.
But please, respect that something beyond the need of everyone to know has happened and Maddison leaving is best for everyone.
I am prepared for the stick, some may prefer me not to say anything at all. But others would like some bits of information, even if there is not a whole load of details in it. That’s what this forum is for.15 -
Exactly, neither have gone yet and because of the salary cap one may have to before we can bring anyone else in!thenewbie said:
But neither have actually gone yet. And there's still time for more to sign. The window up til today for me was net positive (not by much, but still positive). The time to judge is once everything is done.Croydon said:Everything hinges on what replacements we get in. No one can think that losing Williams and Maddison, with no further additions, is good business at this point of the season, surely?0 -
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I’m not here to score a cheap exclusive. I’ve sat on this information for a few days at least, other members on here can verify that. I even PM a lifer on here to say I’m going to take the stick that will come and put out a post that will let people know it all comes down to Maddison and that Bowyer is not at fault.Richard J said:
Yes.ForeverAddickted said:
Well then thats their right to tell or not ... Not mine to say it on their behalfgolfaddick said:
Then people who know the whole story should say.ForeverAddickted said:
But thats why I dont know how people can criticise Lee when they only know half the storyDazzler21 said:
Well knowing both sides to an argument does change things.ForeverAddickted said:
Would you feel differently if you knew what Maddison had said was on public record?MuttleyCAFC said:What Bowyer said about Maddison is on public record. What Maddison has said about Bowyer isn't.
I might turn around as @Sage suggests and go "Oh okay if he's done that, that's completely unacceptable and I agree with Bowyer on this one"
Was no different when Chris Solly got vilified on here, people only had half the knowledge so he was the villain
Said it at the time, you cant go on Jury Service, hear one side of the story and then pass judgement.
I think there always has to be good reasons why a lot doesnt appear in the public domain
Wasnt there a comment about Dr Kish who knew about Coquelin (?) being recalled by Arsenal, didnt want his source at Sparrows Lane to get in trouble for passing on what was confidential information so "leaked" it to some Arsenal fan so they could report it as their own news.
Chris Thompson was more interested in getting the information to everyone than score a cheap exclusive.
People can be annoyed and rather I not say anything that’s genuinely fine with me. But I recognise that many others would be interested and appreciate it.33 -
I think you have to ask yourself how many games would Williams and Maddison play or contribute during the remainder of the season.Croydon said:Everything hinges on what replacements we get in. No one can think that losing Williams and Maddison, with no further additions, is good business at this point of the season, surely?
Clearly Maddison would not be playing and Williams probably just bit parts.
So hopefully some descent replacements but I don't think its crucial.4 -
Williams disliked Bowyer so much he chose to trigger an extension.MuttleyCAFC said:My understanding is a big chunk of his squad dislike him. This can happen in football, and it isn't always necessary to be liked as long as you are respected, but a manager who is always right, never apologises and blames others when things go wrong generally finds it hard to change that dynamic.
Maddison too signed a contract.
I think it's probably mutual by now.
I've managed hundreds of people in my working life and I always found the good workers and I got on really well.
The staff I had to pull up for poor performance or pretending to be sick weren't in my fan club and neither was I in their's.
Managers are paid to manage, if your team aren't performing then you address it.
Shape up or ship out.24 -
Hopefully, tomorrow, @Dazzler ....... I'll see what I can arrange.Dazzler21 said:
Until then formed opinions based on what we have seen will hold, rightly or wrongly.Oggy Red said:
It's probably not in the player or the club's interest to say much right now.golfaddick said:
Then people who know the whole story should say.ForeverAddickted said:
But thats why I dont know how people can criticise Lee when they only know half the storyDazzler21 said:
Well knowing both sides to an argument does change things.ForeverAddickted said:
Would you feel differently if you knew what Maddison had said was on public record?MuttleyCAFC said:What Bowyer said about Maddison is on public record. What Maddison has said about Bowyer isn't.
I might turn around as @Sage suggests and go "Oh okay if he's done that, that's completely unacceptable and I agree with Bowyer on this one"
Was no different when Chris Solly got vilified on here, people only had half the knowledge so he was the villain
Said it at the time, you cant go on Jury Service, hear one side of the story and then pass judgement.
I think there always has to be good reasons why a lot doesnt appear in the public domain
These sort of things are an internal matter.
Though I should imagine, it will come out in the wash eventually.
Can we have a game please so we can whinge/celebrate that!
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I appreciate all your insider input around injuries etc, but this feels like someone in the Bowyer camp is trying to keep you onside. If it's that bad it should be public knowledge of those that support the club and put money into it.Sage said:
I’m not here to score a cheap exclusive. I’ve sat on this information for a few days at least, other members on here can verify that. I even PM a lifer on here to say I’m going to take the stick that will come and put out a post that will let people know it all comes down to Maddison and that Bowyer is not at fault.Richard J said:
Yes.ForeverAddickted said:
Well then thats their right to tell or not ... Not mine to say it on their behalfgolfaddick said:
Then people who know the whole story should say.ForeverAddickted said:
But thats why I dont know how people can criticise Lee when they only know half the storyDazzler21 said:
Well knowing both sides to an argument does change things.ForeverAddickted said:
Would you feel differently if you knew what Maddison had said was on public record?MuttleyCAFC said:What Bowyer said about Maddison is on public record. What Maddison has said about Bowyer isn't.
I might turn around as @Sage suggests and go "Oh okay if he's done that, that's completely unacceptable and I agree with Bowyer on this one"
Was no different when Chris Solly got vilified on here, people only had half the knowledge so he was the villain
Said it at the time, you cant go on Jury Service, hear one side of the story and then pass judgement.
I think there always has to be good reasons why a lot doesnt appear in the public domain
Wasnt there a comment about Dr Kish who knew about Coquelin (?) being recalled by Arsenal, didnt want his source at Sparrows Lane to get in trouble for passing on what was confidential information so "leaked" it to some Arsenal fan so they could report it as their own news.
Chris Thompson was more interested in getting the information to everyone than score a cheap exclusive.
People can be annoyed and rather I not say anything that’s genuinely fine with me. But I recognise that many others would be interested and appreciate it.13 -
Maddison has started FOUR league games for us, and come off the bench 4 times.
He played reasonably well against Wimbledon and Swindon, scores that wonder goal off the bench vs Plymouth, and his reward was to not feature at all vs Hull
Then in the next game he injures himself after coming off the bench, and his manager says he doesn't care if he's injured because he pulled out of a tackle.
Maddison may be an arsehole - none of us know the truth - but he's hardly been managed well either or given a fair chance to show what he can do, when the likes of Bogle, Gilbey and Watson have played far more games without exactly covering themselves in glory.9 -
I’ll have to add this to the list of players that I was really excited about and expected to do so, so we’ll for usSage said:Anyone who blames Bowyer for Maddison leaving and not being successful whilst here is fully entitled to your own opinion. However, it’s incredibly difficult to form any kind of opinion when you just don’t understand what has happened behind the scenes.
If and when the story comes out, everyone who has sided with Maddison will wonder what was going through their mind to question the decisions Bowyer makes.
I am not in a position to put a public forum the situation. But what I will say is Maddison does not want to be here anymore and is not committed to the cause. When that is the case, it’s best to get rid. No matter how talented that individual may be with a football at their feet.
I am with Bowyer 100% and all I can say is, good riddance.
Thanks for posting this info, Bowyer takes enough pelters from people who know nothing about situations at the club so good to see someone who knows something back him. Bowyer IS committed to our club.8 -
Point 3, I’m more making the point that Swindon fans loved him and are gutted he’s gone.FishCostaFortune said:
Agree with your first two points.BR7_addick said:
So far...JoshAddick said:So far...Lost out to Wycombe for Ofoborh
Lost out to Wigan for Solomon-Otabor
Couldn’t tempt Exeter with the Randall deal
Missed out for whatever reason with Kirk
Let go of Wiredu
Trying to get rid of Williams
Trying to get rid of Maddison
Brought in a loanee from Arsenal
Same old Charlton.
Signed Millar who’s been our best player the last few weeks.
Signed a championship striker on loan who is better than Bogle the one we got rid of.
Tempted an Arsenal loanee away from a side who’s supporters say was their best player.
Linked with several other players and still have time to sign them.
3rd point - didn't the Swindon manager want rid.
4th point - trying to get players and not getting them is not a positive. If we sign someone now who is not those 3 then we know he is was at least 4th choice.
Point 4, with respect, we don’t know that. What’s to say they didn’t see newly owned transfer hungry charlton come along ate chance their luck with silly fees/wages. Could be that bowyer wanted someone better within the price range, many other variables here.0 -
Give mouthalls tart a call, she was selling both of hers.Macronate said:Sod this for a game of soldiers.
If we’re not buying anyone on this thread, I’m going to the ‘Buying a puppy’ thread to see if there’s any updates on there.3 -
There's obviously more to it than meets the eye, but Maddison going to Bolton is the equivalent of my Sunday league team who had a ringer who was on the books at Palace2
