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The Daily Mirror's turn....
AFKABartram
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to get all self-righteous and put the boot in.
Where are the Charlton fans who wanted Alan Curbishley out now? By John Cross
What an appalling situation at Charlton.
They look doomed, cut adrift at the foot of the Championship and a world away from the team that would always challenge for Europe under Alan Curbishley.
But I also remember going to the Valley and hearing the moans and groans from fans who would be claiming it was time for Curbs to go and take his boring football with him because the club needed to go forward.
Well, look at them now.
I bet those same supporters wouldn't dare admit to saying what they used to say three or four years ago.
Shame on you.
Yawn, over to you Len, oohaah......
Where are the Charlton fans who wanted Alan Curbishley out now? By John Cross
What an appalling situation at Charlton.
They look doomed, cut adrift at the foot of the Championship and a world away from the team that would always challenge for Europe under Alan Curbishley.
But I also remember going to the Valley and hearing the moans and groans from fans who would be claiming it was time for Curbs to go and take his boring football with him because the club needed to go forward.
Well, look at them now.
I bet those same supporters wouldn't dare admit to saying what they used to say three or four years ago.
Shame on you.
Yawn, over to you Len, oohaah......
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"that would always challenge for Europe" wow we were much better than i thought we were then0
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Of course, if we had made the right appointment post-Curbs and we were now in the UEFA cup regularly, all of those people would have been proved right. Less newsworthy that though isn't it.0
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mind you it is in The Daily Minority.0
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well said the daily mirror......the truth hurts ... FACT ;-(0
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They have no affiliation with us and can Fudge off0
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Don't you mean its The Daily Mirror's turn to regurgitate the same tired old bollox0
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Like it or not it is a very fair assessment of general public perception at the time.
Programmes like 606 and 505 (or whatever the Talksport phone in is called) were full of Charlton fans moaning about Curbishley at that time. Now it maybe that the media deliberately slanted the calls to push their own agenda, I was moved to phone once or twice in response to put the pro Curbs view and was not chosen.
That could be because I come across as an illierate cretin who does not deserve to be heard on National radio or alternatively the programmes were only interested in peddling one viewpoint. You decide.
However whatever the answer the public face of Charlton fans in the media was invariably anti Curbs for two or three years at least before he eventually departed and that is a fact even if that fact is unpalatable to some now.0 -
maturely put len , better than this curbs lover could ever do ;-)0
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What they fail to recognise is that it wasnt the fans that "pushed" Curbs out.
I forgot all of those signs that were held up at Old Trafford said "Get Out Curbs" instead of "Thank you Curbs", I also forgot the rubbish reception Curbs got at The Valley against Blackburn. If only people spontaneously stood up and started singing "Stand up for Alan Curbishley" rather than "F*ck off Alan Curbishley".
It was a minority of fans who held the view that he had to go, yes many would say the football was boring but no one would have been disgruntled if he had signed a new five year deal. But he didnt.
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[cite]Posted By: LenGlover[/cite]Like it or not it is a very fair assessment of general public perception at the time.
Programmes like 606 and 505 (or whatever the Talksport phone in is called) were full of Charlton fans moaning about Curbishley at that time. Now it maybe that the media deliberately slanted the calls to push their own agenda, I was moved to phone once or twice in response to put the pro Curbs view and was not chosen.
That could be because I come across as an illierate cretin who does not deserve to be heard on National radio or alternatively the programmes were only interested in peddling one viewpoint. You decide.
However whatever the answer the public face of Charlton fans in the media was invariably anti Curbs for two or three years at least before he eventually departed and that is a fact even if that fact is unpalatable to some now.
spot on len.doesn't need anymore added to that.0 -
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the team that did so well cos we had parker post kinsella, and after that were inevitably going to go down... just say two words MARCUS BENT!0
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Yes I admit I wasnt happy with the football played last couple of seasons under Curbishley but I thought he should leave because I felt he had gone stale and needed to change clubs, rather than we had gone stale and needed to change manager. There is a difference.0
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I'll hold my hand up, I wanted Curbs to leave
Curbs was a hero and for the vast majority of his tenure fantastic. However, in the last three years he was undoubtedly losing the plot. Movements in the transfer market, the annual post xmas slump, the players we got rid of (not the ones who wanted to go) etc.
The mistakes that have led to where we are now are well documented, 3 years on its unlikely Curbs would still be here and crap position or not I take a rather perverse pleasure in turning up to games that matter rather than the watching paint dry of lower mid-table premiership mediocrity (probably more a critisism of the premiership than us).
I fully expected to get slated for this but its how I feel - I want passion, I want excitment, I don't want to defend a one goal lead for 89 minutes. The writing was on the wall when we started one up front against West Brom when they were crap and still beat us 4-1 and we're at home.
So yes, the Curbs days were great (apart from the last 3) and I never expected we'd fall as far as we have but beware hindsight and rose tinted glasses.
We've survived div.3 before and we will again0 -
You forget that in the West Brom game you mention El Karkouri was sent off after about half an hour when we were winning 1-0 if memory serves me right.
We then played with 10 men on a hot sunny day and got punished by Earnshaw when we ran out of gas.0 -
Not being funny am I the only one who still thinks Curbs needed to go?
Things were going very stale, we took a gamble and it didnt pay off. Could have quite easily spent that much on players and things could have turned out very differently.0 -
Curbs wanted to go.
He didn't want to sign the contract extension he was offered which is fair enough. He'd given us great service over the years but maybe, having missed out on the England job, felt he need to move on. He looked knackered when he left and almost a different person after his break.
The only debate really is should we have kept him for that last year of his contract when it could have been a problem signing players who knew he was going or did we do the right thing in ending it there and then.
There was a vocal minority who did want him to go - of which I was not one - but as said the banners, the chants etc were all pro-Curbishley.0 -
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he had run out of steam it was clear for everyone to see, and wasn't interested in a new deal - FACT0
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While I have to agree with what he has said, and I was one of the pro-Curbs, "If you want entertainment go to the circus" type of fans, that is without a shadow-of-a-doubt the worst piece of journalism I have ever read. How can the Mirror even think of printing that!0
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[cite]Posted By: LenGlover[/cite]Like it or not it is a very fair assessment of general public perception at the time.
Programmes like 606 and 505 (or whatever the Talksport phone in is called) were full of Charlton fans moaning about Curbishley at that time. Now it maybe that the media deliberately slanted the calls to push their own agenda, I was moved to phone once or twice in response to put the pro Curbs view and was not chosen.
That could be because I come across as an illierate cretin who does not deserve to be heard on National radio or alternatively the programmes were only interested in peddling one viewpoint. You decide.
However whatever the answer the public face of Charlton fans in the media was invariably anti Curbs for two or three years at least before he eventually departed and that is a fact even if that fact is unpalatable to some now.
The thing is Len, yes that maybe true if you take them as typical Charlton fans, my view is these people weren't typical. There were people moaning about Curbs but such is the nature of these phone ins who decided to broadcast strident views to "liven up the debate". I rang up on a few occasions to put a counter view but couldn't get on.
It's rather like the plonker who phoned up Talksh*t on Saturday and blamed everything on the board. Yes thats a view that some take, including on here. Is it a majority view, I very much doubt it (see seperate thread)? The bloke phoned in in response to Stan Nasal Spray's, provocative opening remarks about "whys it all gone wrong down at the Valley?" Well f*ck me rigid, the first caller was this bloke. Later on somebody called in to rubbish what he said but the impact call was the first one.0 -
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the reality a lot of people fail to spot here is the state of our squad, we would have been relegated the following year anyway with that squad. anyway old ground so I'm off..0
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yep 47 points in the premiership and the quarter finals of the fa cup was a disgrace and curbs had to go0
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I know you're on a wind up mate but nobody has said that.[cite]Posted By: oohaahmortimer[/cite]yep 47 points in the premiership and the quarter finals of the fa cup was a disgrace and curbs had to go0 -
to say we would get relegated after that season ,if curbs had stayed,(47points 1/4 finals of the cup) is as ridiculous as me saying we're staying up and bringing 2k in fans to wolves and i'll be one of them..... it just aint happening;-)0
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[cite]Posted By: razil[/cite]the reality a lot of people fail to spot here is the state of our squad, we would have been relegated the following year anyway with that squad. anyway old ground so I'm off..
But Dowie used £13 mill to add to that squad, so if Curbs had been there to use that money would he have used it to improve the squad. My view for what its worth,is that Curbs needed to move on, he would have moved on at some stage, the board then made some horrendous errors of judgement each time compounding the previous error (Les Reed),we the fans agreed with some of these errors (Pardew) some we did not... but it is the errors that put us here, not curbs departure and the lack of a succession plan.0 -
[cite]Posted By: razil[/cite]the reality a lot of people fail to spot here is the state of our squad, we would have been relegated the following year anyway with that squad. anyway old ground so I'm off..
lets deal in facts and no what might haves and the only facts are that he consistently delivered prem football.0 -
[cite]Posted By: razil[/cite]the reality a lot of people fail to spot here is the state of our squad, we would have been relegated the following year anyway with that squad. anyway old ground so I'm off..
As you say old ground but once again Curbs would have strengtened over the summer had he stayed just as Dowie supposedly did.
It is therefore unfair to try and smear Curbishley for the sins of Dowie and Pardew.
The question nobody will ever be able to answer is would Curbs have been given £12 million like Dowie was?0 -
I doubt it because I reckon £4m of that would have been Curbs' salary considering how well he was REGARDED and paid by the Board.[cite]Posted By: LenGlover[/cite]
The question nobody will ever be able to answer is would Curbs have been given £12 million like Dowie was?[cite]Posted By: razil[/cite]the reality a lot of people fail to spot here is the state of our squad, we would have been relegated the following year anyway with that squad. anyway old ground so I'm off..0 -
Still, I've never heard Curbs out chants or anything of the kind. The papers are making out that a few grumbles about what was a fairly stale period in our history were a hate-campaign of the type that West Ham launched against the man. They're also missing the fact that he wanted to go.
Talkspurt do this all the time. I was laughing at ladykiller Stan the other day trying to goad Arsenal fans into saying Wenger should go. Not one did but he kept on going on about all the anger from Arsenal fans in every link. When they continued to not bite he started talking about callers who hadn't wanted to come on air who had demanded Wenger leave. To be fair it's my fault for listening to a show made by idiots for idiots. They will lie and sensationalise in the knowledge that most listners lack the smarts to interpret it.0 -
The Mirror is a sh*trag - FACT.0
