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Your biggest disappointment of a wasted musical talent?
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Incredibly sad that he died so young, Grace is one of my all time favourites. Would have loved to have seen him live.bigstemarra said:Jeff Buckley.
Such as shame. Such a waste.
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The Stone Roses. Such a weird band. One amazing record and one good record.
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I would say that Chris Martin has managed to get by without actually being able to sing in tune - certainly live and without the aid of a studio anyway!Bournemouth Addick said:Very niche I know but my wife's nephew.
As a young lad he would regularly beat the likes of Jamie Cullum and Chris Martin* in young musician competitions. Ended up paying his way through uni doing paid hotel/bar gigs and is a phenomenal pianist but can play just about anything. But he couldn't sing well enough, so never got the chance to marry a supermodel or Gwenith Paltrow.
Doesn't seem to have held him back in his career as a divorce lawyer tbf - business is booming.
(*my sister in law's claim to 'fame' is she once cooked him a spag bol' before his vegan days)1 -
Malcolm Owen,The Ruts.3
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Paul Kossoff.6
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They stopped focusing on trying to be the best band in the world, and instead tried to focus on being the biggest band in the world.Jessie said:
What happened to them? I don't follow their career but bought their first few albums many years ago and watched some of their live shows. Thought they were one of the absolutely best live bands.cafctom said:
The first thing I thought of when I saw the thread. I’m actually listening to a podcast series about them at the moment which is very good.siblers said:Muse. They were amazing, absolutely loved them and then they released The Resistance in 09 and it was the start of the decline, the stuff they're releasing now is like a parody of themselves. It's awful garbage
Origin of Symmetry, Absolution and Black Holes & Revelations were strong enough to make me think that we were on the verge of having the next dominating rock band for our generation, and then it just petered out so quickly.Once they reached a certain size it was as if they were trying to force their sound a bit too much, whilst trying to appeal to the masses, and it just didn’t come across as natural Muse.Their work after The Resistance still has 1-2 decent tracks per album, but so much filler.1 -
Shouldn't your user name be Kenny G .......?AndyG said:Not really a waste because I will never know how things would have turned out. But all through school at Charlton Sec I played saxophone basically to get out of doing any other lessons. Got into london youth and nation youth jazz orchestra and had a great time. At 17 was playing in a few pubs locally like the Mitre etc to earn a bit of money. Was asked to go and rehearse with a new local band starting up but couldn't be arsed so didnt go after being asked 2 or 3 times they stopped asking me. The band was Squeeze lol
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Michael Grant, was the lead singer and lead guitarist of Enderverafter. Their sole album is a masterpiece, since then he's played guitar in about the 80th version of LA Guns and now he is trying to get a new band (Michael Grant and the Assassins) going, they are OK but that's all.0
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Like Andyg I attended Charlton sec.I was there in 55-60 when it was Charlton Central.I had friends who had guitars and who played in groups,I could not wait to leave school and buy my first guitar which I did for £7.50 at a second hand shop in moorgate.I practised day and night,learning Shadows and Duane eddy numbers,but of course other things come into your life,I loved Football and all sports and then around 19 years old i met the mrs.and the guitar took a back seat.I still had an ocassional strum,and then around 30 years later I decided to have another go,I went through a couple of strats,a Gibson Chet Atkins,and finally the guitar I now have and love a Martin 00028.I have also learned other instruments in the last 5 years.Sorry to bore you with my life story,but the relevance to this thread is I just wonder how good i could have been if i had had the dedication.1
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Dirty boythickandthin63 said:Like Andyg I attended Charlton sec.I was there in 55-60 when it was Charlton Central.I had friends who had guitars and who played in groups,I could not wait to leave school and buy my first guitar which I did for £7.50 at a second hand shop in moorgate.I practised day and night,learning Shadows and Duane eddy numbers,but of course other things come into your life,I loved Football and all sports and then around 19 years old i met the mrs.and the guitar took a back seat.I still had an ocassional strum,and then around 30 years later I decided to have another go,I went through a couple of strats,a Gibson Chet Atkins,and finally the guitar I now have and love a Martin 00028.I have also learned other instruments in the last 5 years.Sorry to bore you with my life story,but the relevance to this thread is I just wonder how good i could have been if i had had the dedication.2 - Sponsored links:
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Don’t get me started on Lewis Taylor. I’m a massive fan. Got some real rarities too. I went to an Ash Soan drum clinic. He was Lewis Taylor’s drummer and was so chuffed that I asked him about Lewis that he put on a version of Stoned Pt 1 recorded especially for him by Taylor for use in Ash’s clinics. Ash drummed along to it and it sounded great. The funny thing about this exclusive version, during one of the stops in the song, Taylor shouts to his girlfriend, ‘I’M IN THE KITCHEN!’ and he left it on the recording. It just so happened I had a bootleg recording of Lewis Taylor live at the Jazz Cafe on my phone and I played Ash his version of the Funkadelic tune Hit It And Quit It, and he was like, ‘God, I haven’t heard this since the day we played it.’ I sent the whole show to him.JVL said:Lewis Taylor.
The most dazzlingly talented musician, whose first two albums (Lewis Taylor and Lewis II) are just stunning pieces of work.
He was the muso’s muso. Basically what you’d get if you put Marvin Gaye, Syd Barrett, Brian Wilson, Radiohead, a bit of Barry Gibb and sone Hendrix with his wahwah into a blender. I remember Elton John raving about him in a TV interview, D’Angelo flying him to the US to collaborate, MDing Gnarls Barkley, him doing a cracking 18 with a Bullet with Carleen Anderson for Lock Stock. But he basically hated the business of music.
So he vanished, and removed every last shred of himself and his stuff from the internet, and changed his name. Still on Spotify but I guess only reluctantly.
Check out those first two records though. Jeepers. There’s an interesting piece on him from 2016 at souljones (http://souljones.com/exclusive-features/2016/6/14/questions-answers-lewis-taylor ). He basically didn’t think his talent was that remarkable. He’s bloody-well wrong though!2 -
https://thequietus.com/articles/04432-the-ruts-malcolm-owen-30-year-anniversaryBadger said:Malcolm Owen,The Ruts.
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I was at three of the four Jazz Cafe shows. God they were good. I don’t suppose you still have the recording...? (He asked hopefully)hawksmoor said:
Don’t get me started on Lewis Taylor. I’m a massive fan. Got some real rarities too. I went to an Ash Soan drum clinic. He was Lewis Taylor’s drummer and was so chuffed that I asked him about Lewis that he put on a version of Stoned Pt 1 recorded especially for him by Taylor for use in Ash’s clinics. Ash drummed along to it and it sounded great. The funny thing about this exclusive version, during one of the stops in the song, Taylor shouts to his girlfriend, ‘I’M IN THE KITCHEN!’ and he left it on the recording. It just so happened I had a bootleg recording of Lewis Taylor live at the Jazz Cafe on my phone and I played Ash his version of the Funkadelic tune Hit It And Quit It, and he was like, ‘God, I haven’t heard this since the day we played it.’ I sent the whole show to him.JVL said:Lewis Taylor.
The most dazzlingly talented musician, whose first two albums (Lewis Taylor and Lewis II) are just stunning pieces of work.
He was the muso’s muso. Basically what you’d get if you put Marvin Gaye, Syd Barrett, Brian Wilson, Radiohead, a bit of Barry Gibb and sone Hendrix with his wahwah into a blender. I remember Elton John raving about him in a TV interview, D’Angelo flying him to the US to collaborate, MDing Gnarls Barkley, him doing a cracking 18 with a Bullet with Carleen Anderson for Lock Stock. But he basically hated the business of music.
So he vanished, and removed every last shred of himself and his stuff from the internet, and changed his name. Still on Spotify but I guess only reluctantly.
Check out those first two records though. Jeepers. There’s an interesting piece on him from 2016 at souljones (http://souljones.com/exclusive-features/2016/6/14/questions-answers-lewis-taylor ). He basically didn’t think his talent was that remarkable. He’s bloody-well wrong though!
I’ve been lucky (see what I did there) enough to play bass on gigs with Ash several times over the past few years, I think he’s the best groove drummer there is in the UK today. Used to live in Blackheath, now has his own studio in a windmill in Norfolk.
Lewis was one of the finest bassists I’ve ever heard, and it was his fourth or fifth instrument! Bit like Jacob Collier now. Some people have way more than their fair share of talent.0 -
The other thing, for those that don't know Lewis Taylor, as JVL was saying, he was a multi-instrumentalist, who did all his own backing vocals, like a latter day Todd Rundgren, and in fact, on that Jazz Cafe recording he does a cover of Rundgren's Everybody's Going To Heaven, which is the least likely Todd cover ever. But then that was Lewis Taylor. When he was on Gilles Peterson's show, Peterson said afterwards, 'That boy loves a guitar.'
You could sense on Lewis II that there was an attempt to kind of market him as a neo soul singer, then you go back and listen to his versions of Heart Of The Sunrise and Black Dog and all of The Lost Album with its West Coast harmonies, as well as the Beefheart tribute, and you realise why it was daft to try and pigeonhole him. I'm waiting for the double album vinyl special edition of the debut album to arrive. It'll be the first LT recording I'll have on vinyl.
I remember Ash ushered me over in a conspiratorial manner and said, 'Lewis would kill me if he know I had these', and then showed me loads of live clips on his laptop. Most of its on YouTube now. Gone are the days when Lewis would threaten to sue anyone who uploaded clips or songs.
Have you heard the post-retirement track he did with Deborah Bond? She said it was like getting blood from a stone to get his vocal track. And then there are the two tracks on The Vicar project which hinted at the direction he may have gone in.1 -
The short time he was performing and the influence he had on changing music and on future artists I’d say I’m most disappointed Buddy Holly wasn’t about for longer.
Can’t say his talent was wasted though as mentioned, many artists cite him as influential.0 -
My late dad went to see Buddy Holly at the Elephant & Castle Gaumont. I'm sure he said Des O'Connor was the MC.1
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Astonishing talent. Perhaps burnt out, which is a great shame.Raith_C_Chattonell said:Tina S.
Brilliant young French guitarist who could can cover the most technically demanding metal solos. Hearing her shred Vivaldi is really something. Started her Youtube channel in 2007 aged 8 and packed up in 2016. She has amassed over 160 million views, but has now just given it all up, or so it seems.
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He was indeed, I'm certain that they played Woolwich on the same tour. Wish I'd been there, although I was minus 2 years old at the time.hawksmoor said:My late dad went to see Buddy Holly at the Elephant & Castle Gaumont. I'm sure he said Des O'Connor was the MC.2 -
You weren't even Little William back then?Big William said:
He was indeed, I'm certain that they played Woolwich on the same tour. Wish I'd been there, although I was minus 2 years old at the time.hawksmoor said:My late dad went to see Buddy Holly at the Elephant & Castle Gaumont. I'm sure he said Des O'Connor was the MC.
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My brother served his apprenticeship at Parsons in Erith. One of his workmates was a drummer who told him one day that he had an audition that evening.Next day, on reporting how it went, he told my brother that he didn’t think they’d get anywhere and that he turned down the offer to join. Apparently they were all drunk and the singer/guitarist just screamed down the mic.My brother him asked the name of the band to which he replied ‘The Small Faces’1
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Not even tiny yet.......another year back and I could have taken in the 7-6 game as well.Oggy Red said:
You weren't even Little William back then?Big William said:
He was indeed, I'm certain that they played Woolwich on the same tour. Wish I'd been there, although I was minus 2 years old at the time.hawksmoor said:My late dad went to see Buddy Holly at the Elephant & Castle Gaumont. I'm sure he said Des O'Connor was the MC.1 -
Buckley, Barrett and Smith would be my main ones.
An outside shout for Dan Treacy of Television Personalities. I think the thing that unites all these people is they all have/had their demons.0 -
My Jeff Buckley story is on another thread somewhere. The short version is I was buying Tim Buckley albums from a shop in Soho where the absolutely stunning girl who served me mentioned his son was playing tonight and did I want to go. Do you know what I said? ‘Why would I go and see Tim Buckley’s son?’ That reply has haunted me for years? Mostly because the girl looked like a model, to be fair.1
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The cheeky Girls1
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Surprised to get to page 3 of this thread before he was mentioned. What an incredible talentHenry Irving said:Nick Drake. Three wonderful albums but then his demons did for him.0 -
I used to know Dan Treacy quite well, back in the mid to late 80s. At the time he was quite stable, had a good relationship and while not making a good living was making enough from touring and releasing records (and promoting other bands via his label and gigs, like the Mighty Lemon Drops, One Thousand Violins, Hangmans Beautiful Daughters). It was all on the cheap though and I think he could have done a lot better than he did but he was brilliant at self sabotage: like when the TVPs supported Pink Floyd and he started to read out Syd Barrett's address and they got chucked off. Pretty sure he did something to mess up the Nirvana support slots as well. But not sure he fits this category - he made records up until his health deteriorated to the point that he couldn't, except for the spell in prison. Some of them are quite good, some of them aren't. On one song he sings "I should've signed for Creation" - but of course, if he had, there's no guarantee it would have worked out.Huskaris said:Buckley, Barrett and Smith would be my main ones.
An outside shout for Dan Treacy of Television Personalities. I think the thing that unites all these people is they all have/had their demons.
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Just booked tickets to see Terry at Jazz Cafe on 26Jul. He's still great live and I don't think he would have survived the fame and fortune being in zep would have brought.Pedro45 said:Take a listen to Terry Reid.
He was asked to join Led Zeppelin before Robert Plant, but turned them down. What a waste...
I give you David McComb of The Triffids. Crashed and burnt out at the height of his musical vision The Triffids split and he died in 1999.
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I saw Terry Reid last time he was at the Jazz Cafe. I got the impression he’d had a few light ales.0
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Good shout, depending on what day it is Born Sandy Devotional is my favourite album. He was still making solo stuff and was involved in the Black Eyed Susans but I agree I think there was a lot more to come from him. His musical vision was far wider than the country/rock that you hear on the early Triffids records and I've read anecdotes from Graham Lee of the rest of the band not getting the hip hop influences he kept bringing in.McCartney said:
Just booked tickets to see Terry at Jazz Cafe on 26Jul. He's still great live and I don't think he would have survived the fame and fortune being in zep would have brought.Pedro45 said:Take a listen to Terry Reid.
He was asked to join Led Zeppelin before Robert Plant, but turned them down. What a waste...
I give you David McComb of The Triffids. Crashed and burnt out at the height of his musical vision The Triffids split and he died in 1999.0
