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Post-match thread: Charlton Athletic vs Sheff Wed - 07/08/21
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Red red robin was played as the old players were introduced for the Curbs tribute , well around that time .
Stockley unreal and Morgan I still just don’t see it .
Can’t wait for the end of the month to see where we’re really at but sitting on the fence it could go either way .
anyway Curbs and SCP has left me without any custard in my pipe .
oh to not be a pissy third tier club again , we can but dream
surely there was not one neutral in the country who sat through all of that , the woman’s hundred, even if it was rained off, would have been more appealing .
good to be back at The Valley didn’t feel like I’d been away , it really is home .
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I’m starting to think he might actually be (and not necessarily in a good way)…oohaahmortimer said:
He’s nuts if he thinks that was a great game ….perfect match for usCallumcafc said:0 -
I thought the booing at kick off from our fans was directed towards the Wednesday players for not taking the knee.5
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Not as true as we might have been led to believe.Chunes said:
But he wasn't converted to being a striker until recently.Dazzler21 said:
This guy?!charltonbob said:
No arguably about it, for a start we haven't replaced a 15 goal a season striker who could only play 30 mins a game. How we are expected to win promotion with less than what we had last year is beyond me. All this talk about more players to come I don't get it, if we had them lined up they would already be here. It is looking like TS has under estimated what is required to fund a promotion bid. I get that he stepped in when it seemed we were in danger of losing the club & has lodged funds to see us through the season & fair play for that but really I don't want to hear that we are going to blow away this league when it looks like he has no intention of funding a promotion bid.MrOneLung said:
The fact is we have arguably a weaker squad than last season.Rossman92 said:Have never enjoyed an opening day less because of all the negativity surrounding literally everything. This site is becoming such a disappointment for me and that is heartbreakingShould have all your signings done before first game even if there a couple of weeks left in the window
I loved Chuks...
He did well last season, especially given his minutes, but let's not rewrite his history in this league.
In fact in the last 9 seasons between L2 & The Championship, he's broken the 15 barrier twice, 18/19 & 20/21. Came close in 13/14.
This is only the games where it was recorded but the position he has played more than any other is CF.
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I love the optimism, but I’m not sure how anyone could come to that conclusion.se9addick said:I thought the booing at kick off from our fans was directed towards the Wednesday players for not taking the knee.9 -
Enlighten us then.jimmymelrose said:
Well, I said it before and I guess I shall reluctantly say it again.MuttleyCAFC said:I know what the players are taking the knee for but I don't know what the fans protest is about unless they think racism should be ignored.
I'm anti racism but I am also anti-BLM. I wouldn't boo because other people get the wrong idea but I would turn my back to the pitch in disapprovement.
Those who respect British history and heritage and really think about what BLM did would understand my stance.8 -
I have no idea how it will play out over the course of the whole season. That's the whole point. We might sign Kirk and he provides the service to turn Stockley into a goal scoring juggernaut. Maybe we lose Famewo and/or Inniss for the second season running and concede bucketfuls. Probably neither.ValleyOfTears said:
The one result meaning ... At the end of the season we may see we have let in few goals and not scored enough. Or perhaps you disagree and instead think we will let in heaps and score bundles?thenewbie said:
Yep, this one single result with an incomplete team playing its first competitive fixture will definitely be very informative about the entire season. For sure. Definitely. Yes.ValleyOfTears said:Firstly a tough first fixture of season playing a Championship side. They couldn't beat us. Early days of course but once again our defence looks more than capable of dealing with all this level throws at it.
And so to the predictable aspect. Ineffectual midfield and nothing up front. Let us hope that more is to come from them. My prediction at the beginning was Bonne and Piggott will bang them in for Town and we would really struggle to find goals. Maybe this one result will tell us all we need to know about the season ahead.
Hoping for 4 more additions
Or maybe that's bollocks.
See you in May. Someone is going to eat their words!
One result won't tell us that.1 -
Whatever happened to the days of "give it 10 games into the season to decide if this side is good enough"
Once we get in our loans and any additional permies, I am damn certain we'll be in a good place.22 -
We live in a time line where a 0 - 0 draw in the first game of the season against an early betting favourite to win the league (where I would argue we were the better side overall) is not good enough for some fans.Dazzler21 said:Whatever happened to the days of "give it 10 games into the season to decide if this side is good enough"
Once we get in our loans and any additional permies, I am damn certain we'll be in a good place.
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The Sheffield Star came up with an interesting fact when commenting on the performance of TS.
That it came 20 years to the week of the original broadcast of The Office’s seminal ‘Training Day’ episode in which Brent’s famous guitar scene was broadcast is one for Gervais nerds, perhaps. But we digress. Onto the football.
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Even if you trust that kind of data on these sites (I don't) you'd have to admit he's played more than half his career in midfield, so the goalscoring stats are pretty moot.Dazzler21 said:
Not as true as we might have been led to believe.Chunes said:
But he wasn't converted to being a striker until recently.Dazzler21 said:
This guy?!charltonbob said:
No arguably about it, for a start we haven't replaced a 15 goal a season striker who could only play 30 mins a game. How we are expected to win promotion with less than what we had last year is beyond me. All this talk about more players to come I don't get it, if we had them lined up they would already be here. It is looking like TS has under estimated what is required to fund a promotion bid. I get that he stepped in when it seemed we were in danger of losing the club & has lodged funds to see us through the season & fair play for that but really I don't want to hear that we are going to blow away this league when it looks like he has no intention of funding a promotion bid.MrOneLung said:
The fact is we have arguably a weaker squad than last season.Rossman92 said:Have never enjoyed an opening day less because of all the negativity surrounding literally everything. This site is becoming such a disappointment for me and that is heartbreakingShould have all your signings done before first game even if there a couple of weeks left in the window
I loved Chuks...
He did well last season, especially given his minutes, but let's not rewrite his history in this league.
In fact in the last 9 seasons between L2 & The Championship, he's broken the 15 barrier twice, 18/19 & 20/21. Came close in 13/14.
This is only the games where it was recorded but the position he has played more than any other is CF.1 -
But the political movement BLM has nothing to do with the players taking the knee. That is what these morons need to understand or accept that they will be called out as racists. I am not including you in that as you wouldn't boo. People are not saying the gesture should be supported by all, just not booed.jimmymelrose said:
Well, I said it before and I guess I shall reluctantly say it again.MuttleyCAFC said:I know what the players are taking the knee for but I don't know what the fans protest is about unless they think racism should be ignored.
I'm anti racism but I am also anti-BLM. I wouldn't boo because other people get the wrong idea but I would turn my back to the pitch in disapprovement.
Those who respect British history and heritage and really think about what BLM did would understand my stance.17 -
What was nagging me at the back of my mind about Albie was that Fulham game. Not in isolation, but I am obviously looking for clues he can step up and be that player he is probably a few percentage points away from being at the moment. It is what we desperately need him to be this season. We had a free-kick outside the area and Fulham set up for it terribly. The obvious approach was to try to curl it around the wall which was a man short to the right and into the near post. Morgan went for a bog standard attempt that if it hadn't gone wide and high wouldn't trouble the keeper. Some players just don't have that goal scoring instinct. Maybe he is one of them.mendonca said:I just want Albie to find his instep. That will make him a more complete player.
Apart from that, same old Charlton.
We need goals from shots and free kicks. JFC provided that to a fair degree last season. We need somebody in who can do that this.0 -
I think we need to be playing 4-4-2 but we need at least one more capable striker if we are to compete for promotion. Washington can't play the left winger in a 4-3-3 either, so we need someone else. In the meantime I would play Clayden in a 4-4-2 with Conor alongside Jayden. That might have been enough yesterday.4
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What a header that would be, to score at the other end from Defending a corner.golfaddick said:
Perhaps play him in defence then.....because last time I looked he is supposed to be up the other end SCORING.killerandflash said:
He did some great work defensively, indeed the ball seemed magnetically attracted to his head at set piecesJoshrewCAFC said:Not sure if said already, but Stockley won every single header in our own box. And the majority in the offensive box (whether effective or not). Really useful player beyond his role as a striker!1 -
I don't think Washington is in there to play left wing. He is there to join Stockley when attacking and be more a part time left winger for balance.Cardinal Sin said:I think we need to be playing 4-4-2 but we need at least one more capable striker if we are to compete for promotion. Washington can't play the left winger in a 4-3-3 either, so we need someone else. In the meantime I would play Clayden in a 4-4-2 with Conor alongside Jayden. That might have been enough yesterday.
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An observation on the team.
In the past there were players, maybe on loan, but they were playing at a lower level than they could have played eg, Beilk, Gallagher, Cullen, Doughty. I see no one in that team that is below their level.5 -
In terms of taking the knee it’s very simple for me - we have a team of many backgrounds, colours, cultures and races. They all want to take the knee and if that’s what the squad want to do to support their own players then that should be good enough for the fans.By booing them you are basically saying you are turning your backs on a squad decision that they have all made together.
This isn’t dirty scummy Millwall. This is Charlton and if someone wants to boo the knee and show themselves to be a dirty stinking racist - then I won’t be comfortable taking my mixed raced family to the game.39 -
But then we don't have our loans in yet. Hopefully those will be some of the players playing beneath their level and a couple of perms will hopefully do so too.rememberbillybonds said:An observation on the team.
In the past there were players, maybe on loan, but they were playing at a lower level than they could have played eg, Beilk, Gallagher, Cullen, Doughty. I see no one in that team that is below their level.0 -
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Innis looks to me to be a championship quality defender easily. One thing that suprised me yesterday was his pace, he may turn slowly, but once he gets going he can build up a head of steam.rememberbillybonds said:An observation on the team.
In the past there were players, maybe on loan, but they were playing at a lower level than they could have played eg, Beilk, Gallagher, Cullen, Doughty. I see no one in that team that is below their level.
Shame his body is so fragile.5 -
Can we not turn this thread into another one about taking the knee and actually concentrate on the football….17
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Happened at Fulham as welllordromford said:
I love the optimism, but I’m not sure how anyone could come to that conclusion.se9addick said:I thought the booing at kick off from our fans was directed towards the Wednesday players for not taking the knee.0 -
This is an incredible take.golfaddick said:
Perhaps play him in defence then.....because last time I looked he is supposed to be up the other end SCORING.killerandflash said:
He did some great work defensively, indeed the ball seemed magnetically attracted to his head at set piecesJoshrewCAFC said:Not sure if said already, but Stockley won every single header in our own box. And the majority in the offensive box (whether effective or not). Really useful player beyond his role as a striker!He can only do his SCORING with decent service, which he doesn’t get. The rest of his game yesterday was fantastic, his link up play, holding the ball up and, despite your grumbles, his defensive work from set pieces. Or would you rather opposition free headers in our box from corners?5 -
Anywhere else on the pitch and a player gets a red for that. Looked a stone-wall penalty from my view pretty near the incident. Don't mind it not being given as long as forwards can challenge goalies too. Basically there are penalty box laws and mid-pitch laws. When has anyone ever seen a penalty for a challenge after the striker has shot wide? Some of those are so late, they'd be definite yellows anywhere else.Off_it said:
I'm glad someone has finally mentioned this because I said exactly that at the time.thewolfboy said:Might have had a penalty when their goalie took out Stockley . It seemed pretty blatant to me but not a peep from the Sky commentator.
The keeper came for the cross, Stockley jumps, the defender got there before the two of them and headed it for a corner and then the keeper absolutely flies into Stockley taking him out and getting absolutely nowhere near the ball.
Any other player does that anywhere else on the pitch and it's a blatant foul for a very late challenge.
But not a peep from Sky, or anyone else on here.
I was beginning to think I'd imagined it.2 -
Steady start to the season.Defence looked solid, and it looks like we have lots more energy in midfield.The only negative for me was in the final third, need to be more clinical in our delivery , and need to find a way to play if the stockley option isn’t working.If we fill up our match day squad with decent loans and perms then I am sure things will fall into place1
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Agreed. I was saying NA should make that change 15-20 minutes from the end yesterday. I guess he didn't want to take the risk of losing rather than the chance of winning. Probably fair enough for the first game of the season and against a team just down from the Championship - but certainly something he should pursue, especially if we bring in Kirk as a conventional left midfield/wing.Cardinal Sin said:I think we need to be playing 4-4-2 but we need at least one more capable striker if we are to compete for promotion. Washington can't play the left winger in a 4-3-3 either, so we need someone else. In the meantime I would play Clayden in a 4-4-2 with Conor alongside Jayden. That might have been enough yesterday.0 -
Excellent post.Sage said:Posting without reading the vast majority and it seems that’s pretty much a good thing too by the accounts of some on here about how negative and moaning this site has become. A big reason why you wouldn’t normally find me on a post match thread but this time I had a look. And have decided to throw my two pence worth in.
We managed to attend our first match with everyone able to go for the first time in 17 months. I am just happy that we could to go and enjoy it.
I was overwhelmed at one stage, going to football was a huge, huge part of my life before that got taken away for so long. Why do we have fans who seem to enjoy being negative all the time? It was emotional, but the fans as a whole, the noise was fantastic. Very, very good support.
I did, however, find it embarrassing and extremely disappointing when some people decided to boo the kneel. I clapped at that moment and I am glad others around me did too. If you still don’t understand why players clubs continue to take this stance, I don’t think you ever will and that is something to be negative about. Our club represents and welcomes everyone from all walks of life. All backgrounds, beliefs, and race. If you are unable to recognise, acknowledge, welcome, and support that, then I’m afraid you’re supporting the wrong club. The work our club and community trust has done to encourage equality, diversity and inclusion is thankfully nationally recognised. We are making a conscious effort with including the Women’s Team, and rightly so, to ensure we continue to strive to be one whole club. We have the Charlton Invicta, we have the Charlton Upbeats, we have so much more. Players taking the knee prior to kick-off to raise awareness on the inequalities, mainly racial, we continue to see in our society on a daily basis - worse in the football community - well, if that offends you, you’re supporting the wrong club. I hope that what happened in some sections of the crowd when the players took the knee does not happen again.
The game of football want the greatest but it improved in the second half. We all know we need more players, but we also know that will happen, I am so tired of reading the same thing over and over as if it’s breaking news. We will get there and if you can’t be a little more aware and patient after what this club has been through over the last however many years, then that’s quite sad too.
My only moan from the club side from it all would be the lack of the Red, Red, Robin. That is just one thing that does not change and for me, has such personal meaning too beyond a tradition, so it has to stay.
Now that’s all out the way, I’ll talk about the game. I will not be replying to anyone regarding these sections above.—
In terms of the team, I thought we looked solid and they didn’t really hurt us. I’m confident that when Inniss and Famewo play together we will be strong enough defensively.I liked that Adkins was aware of Washington’s struggles in the first half and how Stockley was isolated at times. He made a tactical switch in the second half and pushed Morgan further out to the left which allowed Washington to come inside more. It was a clever tweak that meant we were more effective going forward.Jaiyesimi is going to have a good season for us. However, his decision making will let him down at times. There were a couple of times he wildly shot when he could have and should have slid a pass to Matthews or crossed it across the face of goal rather than back. But he’s young and these things he will learn.
Stockley was immense. His ability to hold the ball, his strength in the air, and his value in the defensive side with heading the ball away countless times in our own box. He’s going to need support and players to get closer to him, provide him with good crosses, but that’ll come and he’ll do well.
I don’t feel we did enough to win the game and as we didn’t test their keeper anywhere near enough, but we also didn’t deserve to lose either, so a 0-0 was a fair result.Tuesday gives us the chance to rotate a little bit and get some valuable minutes into some players. It would be nice if Schwartz was on the bench and came on for 15 minutes or so. If people don’t like him or rate him that’s fine, but whilst he’s here we need him to get up to speed so he can offer us something. Tuesday is a good opportunity to be involved. I would expect Elewere, Pearce, Watson, Clayden, and Davison all to start.
I was also fortunate enough to sit near Gilbey and Purrington, so hopefully they are back sooner rather than later as they’re two good players to add to this squad. Gilbey is actually someone I feel we miss in midfield so fingers crossed for a speedy recovery and return to fitness.2 -
Not much to say other than Sheffield Wednesday’s free kick right at the very end where they rolled it across the half way line before the whistle blew for full time was so beautifully Charlton.8
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TTK will be going on forever.DamoNorthStand said:In terms of taking the knee it’s very simple for me - we have a team of many backgrounds, colours, cultures and races. They all want to take the knee and if that’s what the squad want to do to support their own players then that should be good enough for the fans.By booing them you are basically saying you are turning your backs on a squad decision that they have all made together.
This isn’t dirty scummy Millwall. This is Charlton and if someone wants to boo the knee and show themselves to be a dirty stinking racist - then I won’t be comfortable taking my mixed raced family to the game.0
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