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Charlton v Wimbledon ((EFL Cup) - Post Match Thread

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  • Cardinal Sin
    Cardinal Sin Posts: 5,233
    Saturday; "we carried a real goal threat" - no efforts on goal.
    Tuesday; "the front three full.of energy and wndeavour" - one effort on target.
    Positivity is great but so is honesty and realism.
  • Tonight emphasised our lack of squad depth.

    Was also disappointed that our midfield struggled to have much of a presence despite being fairly strong.
  • ElliotCAFC
    ElliotCAFC Posts: 2,553
    edited August 2021
    That was really poor, I was at the game and it felt like it went on forever. I can’t really take any positive’s from the game as nobody played well bar Pearce. 

    We’re in serious trouble if the board/manager believe we can fill squad gaps with youth players. Elerewe is the only one who is capable to be a back up and even he got bullied aerially.

    We need some very good signings as our attacking play is abysmal. 
  • Jac_52
    Jac_52 Posts: 1,464
    seth plum said:
    Just checked back. Seriously did Wimbledon break the substitute rule?
    I thought four was a bit excessive at the time but assumed it was allowed and they were running down the clock, which they did brilliantly second half.
    Be a laugh if they broke the rules and got chucked out.
    No it's been cleared up that they were permitted to use 4 given a late concussion.
    I thought it wasn’t a late concussion. It was in the 75th min, they made 2 subs after that.

    Otherwise wouldn’t teams be claiming concussion subs as their original 3 to get an extra one anyway?

    If a team has to take a player off for a concussion both teams are allowed to make 4 subs in total as I understand it.
  • Is Scoham being censored?
  • BigDiddy
    BigDiddy Posts: 1,197
    Scoham said:
    Adkins comments, here we go... he starts with the standard reaction to our annual League Cup 1st round defeat.

    Really? What "positives"??
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,432
    Tonight emphasised our lack of squad depth.

    Was also disappointed that our midfield struggled to have much of a presence despite being fairly strong.
    Ancient Watson would have been a big part of their inability to excel. 

    I'd have started Dobbie.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,771
    The fact that Adkins didn’t make a sub until the 89th min on Saturday says to me he’s not happy with the recruitment.
    He is too experienced a manager not to appreciate the deficiencies in the squad. Whether he was signalling he was not happy or not, I don't know. Maybe he is confident he will be getting the players he needs. He knows more than we do. It is perfectly reasonable for some of us to be concerned what has to be done in three weeks that we couldn't do in three months. 
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 38,006
    Jac_52 said:
    seth plum said:
    Just checked back. Seriously did Wimbledon break the substitute rule?
    I thought four was a bit excessive at the time but assumed it was allowed and they were running down the clock, which they did brilliantly second half.
    Be a laugh if they broke the rules and got chucked out.
    No it's been cleared up that they were permitted to use 4 given a late concussion.
    I thought it wasn’t a late concussion. It was in the 75th min, they made 2 subs after that.

    Otherwise wouldn’t teams be claiming concussion subs as their original 3 to get an extra one anyway?

    If a team has to take a player off for a concussion both teams are allowed to make 4 subs in total as I understand it.
    Ah now that makes sense 

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  • Southbank
    Southbank Posts: 5,271
    edited August 2021
    Dazzler21 said:
    Tonight emphasised our lack of squad depth.

    Was also disappointed that our midfield struggled to have much of a presence despite being fairly strong.
    Ancient Watson would have been a big part of their inability to excel. 

    I'd have started Dobbie.
    Dobson and Stockley made no difference when they came on. In fact one of the worrying things was that Stockley won no headers against the AFC centre back.
  • BigDiddy
    BigDiddy Posts: 1,197
    As it stands, we are going to be very reliant on our defence and keeping a player like Innis fit (no track record of that happening). We have lost a lot of goals and have very few players with any track record of scoring a decent number for their position.

    A simple exercise is to look at last season. We scored 70 goals and missed out. If we had defended better through the season, 60 might have been enough. Now look at our squad and honestly attribute the amount of goals they can be expected to get (using their track records). I think you will be well short of 60. 

    We have three weeks to save our season. Which with some bad luck with injuries could even be a disaster.
    100% agree
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,771
    Stockley was the sub to score a goal. But he needs help and he needs threats from other players to give him more freedom. 
  • We really have some me miserable fans and some trolls on this forum.  We are obviously short on squad quality.  Most fans are at least hopeful that we can strengthen before the window closes.  There are a number of people posting that are clearly hoping that we don’t so they can moan and complain and rip the club as soon as they can.  The same fans that disappear when we are playing well but are the first to post as soon as we struggle
  • AddickUpNorth
    AddickUpNorth Posts: 8,325
    Truth is, we’re always f’ing dire in cup competitions. It’s like night following day.
  • O-Randy-Hunt
    O-Randy-Hunt Posts: 10,705
    For Pete's sake you bunch of negative nellys. We have had 1 shot on target in 2 games. Why all the negativity 🙄
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,771
    In other words. Don't you dare point out anything negative or shortcomings of the team/squad on a forum.
  • Crusty54
    Crusty54 Posts: 3,237
    se9addick said:
    Roddy getting a start in a competitive match is deeply concerning. 
    Why? Pearce kept feeding him awful passes. He did well.

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  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,746
    Few flashes of nice play, but on the whole that was disappointing. I don't share Adkins positivity around the youngsters, as bar Deji I thought they looked well off the pace. 

    Morgan has to seriously step up if he's our main CAM this season, and I'd assume he is having been given the number 10. His final ball is constantly lacking and his set pieces are wasteful. He played some great balls tonight though, but needs to realise it doesn't always have to be a Hollywood pass.

    Clare didn't impress me at all. First tough was all over the place and looked clumsy. Hopefully he just needs some time to bed in.

    If we had lost tonight with that squad as 3rd/4th choice, I'd be disappointed that we didn't give it a go. The worrying thing is that we played such a weak side, but almost all of them will be involved in the Oxford squad on Saturday. 
  • Crusty54
    Crusty54 Posts: 3,237
    Albie Morgan should not be taking corners and free kicks until he learns how to get the distances correct.
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,194
    Our Nigel isn't stupid , I see he set them a target of 25 clean sheets not goals 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,956
    Last season, let it not be forgotten, we actually won our first round game, played a week before the league season started. We might as well have done the same this year, seeing that we've not actually signed anyone since a week before the start of the league season.
  • Southbank
    Southbank Posts: 5,271
    We really have some me miserable fans and some trolls on this forum.  We are obviously short on squad quality.  Most fans are at least hopeful that we can strengthen before the window closes.  There are a number of people posting that are clearly hoping that we don’t so they can moan and complain and rip the club as soon as they can.  The same fans that disappear when we are playing well but are the first to post as soon as we struggle
    No, we want to make it clear to the owner that we won't tolerate bullshit and if he is serious about being succesful then like any other succesful businessman he has to be prepared to invest money in the business. We fans do our part by investing our money and by turning up to support the team. He has to play his part too and we need him to know that.
    Nothing would delight me more than to see proper investment in the team. I have supported the club through thick and thin for 55 years with some good owners and mostly bad ones. Which sort is Thomas? He has 20 days left to show his mettle.
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,194
    Tough ask to think we could simply roll over the behemoth of a club that is AFC Wimbledon reserves , people need to be realistic where we are in the footballing hierarchy 
  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,261
    My first game as I missed Saturday.

    I was actually pleased to be back.  Felt normal and felt like it did prior to Covid, and I wasn’t sure if it would feel like that.  The fact we’re out the league cup first round also gave it that normal feeling ;-) 

    As for the game, you’ve got to take into account a lot of those players are young lads making their first starts.  It wasn’t pretty, but I wouldn’t read too much into it.  If we see that sort of performance on Saturday then you’d be frustrated.


  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,274
    edited August 2021
    Bumped into a former CEO in the toilet afterwards.  

    "Same old cup performance" was his comment.

    Very flat over all 

    We huffed and puffed early on, switching the play well and hitting the wingers but the crosses rarely found a Charlton player 

    Deji did some strong defending and Ghandor was lively but Clayden and Davison, who had our only real shot on target which he should have done better with, disappointed. Roddy isn't ready and doesn't look physically like a professional player.  He's not rubbish but Oguntayo looked a better player last year.

    We just carried no real threat.

    Wimbledon didn't look anything special, no idea if they were at full strength. But they deserved the win.

    Another year, another cup disappointment.  Just like the red, red, robin, some traditions are hard to kill.
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,432
    Hopefully Oguntayo can now step up.