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This is a juicy train question - Slade green loop to crayford

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  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    DaveMehmet said:
    iaitch said:
    Now you've told eveyone about it, it will look like this next home game.

    Four passengers die in 39unbearable39 heat on Indian train South China Morning Post


    Southeastern would still have the heating on full temperature 
    That’s if the train even turned up.
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    LouisMend said:
    I'm going to give this a try tomorrow, getting to Charlton from Sidcup via bus always seems to take forever, especially for an evening game with rush hour traffic 
    Charlton are playing Crawley though, not Crystal Palace. 
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,060
    iaitch said:
    Now you've told eveyone about it, it will look like this next home game.

    Four passengers die in 39unbearable39 heat on Indian train South China Morning Post


    Plaistow?
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,739
    LouisMend said:
    I'm going to give this a try tomorrow, getting to Charlton from Sidcup via bus always seems to take forever, especially for an evening game with rush hour traffic 
    Pretty much nailed on to be the most exciting part of the evening.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Let’s hope Louis got there and back without getting lost.
  • thai malaysia addick
    thai malaysia addick Posts: 18,337
    I gather Lavelle has been studying this thread intensely.
  • Elthamaddick
    Elthamaddick Posts: 15,814
    I'm lost here - so could I in theory get from Bexleyheath station to Charlton and back again on a direct train (ie by going towards Dartford to get to Charlton?)
  • Lordflashheart
    Lordflashheart Posts: 5,623
    Elthamaddick said:
    I'm lost here - so could I in theory get from Bexleyheath station to Charlton and back again on a direct train (ie by going towards Dartford to get to Charlton?)
    Yep - before Dartford station there is a loop of track which diverts trains round to Skade Green and up the Woolwich line
  • valleynick66
    valleynick66 Posts: 4,890
    Elthamaddick said:
    I'm lost here - so could I in theory get from Bexleyheath station to Charlton and back again on a direct train (ie by going towards Dartford to get to Charlton?)
    unlikely to be quicker than changing at Blackheath
  • Swindon_Addick
    Swindon_Addick Posts: 1,643
    Elthamaddick said:
    I'm lost here - so could I in theory get from Bexleyheath station to Charlton and back again on a direct train (ie by going towards Dartford to get to Charlton?)
    It's about 10 min longer than changing at Blackheath. Most rail websites are set up to show the quickest journeys so don't show this option unless there's a box to tick to show only direct trains. 
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  • Elthamaddick
    Elthamaddick Posts: 15,814
    valleynick66 said:
    Elthamaddick said:
    I'm lost here - so could I in theory get from Bexleyheath station to Charlton and back again on a direct train (ie by going towards Dartford to get to Charlton?)
    unlikely to be quicker than changing at Blackheath
    much easier with kids to take the direct / slightly longer route - than changing to a busy train at Blackheath
  • valleynick66
    valleynick66 Posts: 4,890
    Elthamaddick said:
    valleynick66 said:
    Elthamaddick said:
    I'm lost here - so could I in theory get from Bexleyheath station to Charlton and back again on a direct train (ie by going towards Dartford to get to Charlton?)
    unlikely to be quicker than changing at Blackheath
    much easier with kids to take the direct / slightly longer route - than changing to a busy train at Blackheath
    Agreed. But I assume (I may be wrong) the trains that go round the loop and effectively swap from the Woolwich line to the Bexleyheath line (and vice versa)  are not as frequent.
  • DA9
    DA9 Posts: 11,091
    valleynick66 said:
    Elthamaddick said:
    valleynick66 said:
    Elthamaddick said:
    I'm lost here - so could I in theory get from Bexleyheath station to Charlton and back again on a direct train (ie by going towards Dartford to get to Charlton?)
    unlikely to be quicker than changing at Blackheath
    much easier with kids to take the direct / slightly longer route - than changing to a busy train at Blackheath
    Agreed. But I assume (I may be wrong) the trains that go round the loop and effectively swap from the Woolwich line to the Bexleyheath line (and vice versa)  are not as frequent.
    21 & 51 past the hour from crayford on a Saturday 
  • Elthamaddick
    Elthamaddick Posts: 15,814
    yeah I'm guessing that too - is there anywhere that the times on a Saturday are published?, the SE timetable doesn't say anything
  • DA9
    DA9 Posts: 11,091
    Lordflashheart said:
    Elthamaddick said:
    I'm lost here - so could I in theory get from Bexleyheath station to Charlton and back again on a direct train (ie by going towards Dartford to get to Charlton?)
    Yep - before Dartford station there is a loop of track which diverts trains round to Skade Green and up the Woolwich line
    But it’s only direct on the sidcup line stops, not Bexleyheath line, otherwise he’d  just be changing at Dartford rather than blackheath, no real gain 
  • DA9
    DA9 Posts: 11,091
    Elthamaddick said:
    yeah I'm guessing that too - is there anywhere that the times on a Saturday are published?, the SE timetable doesn't say anything
    From bexley, 2 x hour, 15 & 45, direct, only sidcup line 

    https://ticket.southeasternrailway.co.uk/journeys-list/BXY/CTN/2021-09-11T13:00/2021-09-11T17:00/1//?departNow=no&realTime=no&searchPreferences=&showAdditionalRoutes=no&showCheapest=no&tocSpecific=no
  • Elthamaddick
    Elthamaddick Posts: 15,814
    got it cheers - bugger !
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    The change, or rather rush over the bridge to the Charlton platform at Blackheath can be tight, delayed Bexleyheath line trains can mess it up.
  • fat man on a moped
    fat man on a moped Posts: 932
    They do run direct from the Bexleyheath line but only during the week it seems so no good for Saturdays
  • RaplhMilne
    RaplhMilne Posts: 4,603
    Ok, now the Albany Park direct to Charlton train, is clearly no longer a secret. Whoa betide anyone who takes my seat right at the back which pulls up next to the exit gate at Charlton station. 



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  • LouisMend
    LouisMend Posts: 5,448
    edited September 2021
    seth plum said:
    Let’s hope Louis got there and back without getting lost.
    Journey there was an absolute delight on the loop train, will certainly make it a habit.

    Got a lift back from Pete Burrowes which was a lot less relaxing
  • Addictedoldgit
    Addictedoldgit Posts: 1,826
    I live in Sidcup & discovered the delight's of the Dartford loop line a year ago.
    Can't imagine why I'd never used it before.

    Still use the car more often than not, but the ULEZ is starting next month I believe which stop's me using my old polluting diesel car.
    Boundary is the south circular, means I will break a habit of 55 years and permanently use the Dartford loop line.

    Should have made the switch years ago as I get free rail travel!
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Point Of Order Mr Speaker.
    Can you call it the Dartford loop line when it doesn’t go to Dartford?
    The Slade Green Circular might be more informative.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,855
    seth plum said:
    Point Of Order Mr Speaker.
    Can you call it the Dartford loop line when it doesn’t go to Dartford?
    The Slade Green Circular might be more informative.
    The track in question, taking you from Crayford to Slade Green, does go through Dartford though, as it crosses briefly into Kent!

    The Crayford Spur is its correct name I think
  • DA9
    DA9 Posts: 11,091
    https://www.kentrail.org.uk/crayford_spur.htm
  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 57,825
    Surprised we’ve got two pages in and no one has mentioned the Slade Green Safari Park on the loop 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,855
    DA9 said:
    https://www.kentrail.org.uk/crayford_spur.htm
    I hadn't realised how relatively recent that spur was
  • Raith_C_Chattonell
    Raith_C_Chattonell Posts: 5,682
    Talking of Slade Green I fairly recently happened across a memorial stone in Brook Street cemetery, which I had to google when I got home. 

    The most appalling disaster occurred there on Feb 18 1924 in a munitions factory as 21 young women set to work breaking down Verey light cartridges.  An explosion very early in the morning would leave 12 girls dead plus their foreman.  Most of the girls were from Erith aged just 16 - 23.

    Tens of thousands of people lined the streets as the funeral procession took place.



      


    Anyway apologies for this, but the mention of Slade Green reminds me of this profound event, that I'd somehow never heard of before. 
  • Masterbrew
    Masterbrew Posts: 264
    Opens an interesting possibility - Bexley and Crayford stations are just off the A2, so parking there and catching the train to Charlton could avoid both the new clean air charge and also the long delays in getting away by car after the match. 
  • Addictedoldgit
    Addictedoldgit Posts: 1,826
    Interesting thread this, I've learnt it's called the Crayford spur, not the Dartford loop as I supposed.

    Good to know the history behind its construction.

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